POLL Would you make this deal?

[NWinAZ]

Nothing to talk about so here is a hypothetical. Would you or wouldn't you?

Kelenic and Raleigh

for

Merrifield and Perez

I am always fascinated to see reactions to things I see a particular way.

 

[SeattleCoug]

It’s tough but personally I’m not a Whit guy. I love Perez but also think maybe you are selling a tad low on kelenic here. I’d prefer Bobby Witt or Lacy over Whit. Good hypothetical tho

 

[NWinAZ]

It’s tough but personally I’m not a Whit guy. I love Perez but also think maybe you are selling a tad low on kelenic here. I’d prefer Bobby Witt or Lacy over Whit. Good hypothetical tho

I was thinking they were closer to retooling in KC so I don't think they want to deal prospects. This was more of a go-for-it move for us and a retooling for them. And yes, I do sell Kelenic short but would be happy if another team sold long on him.

 

[SeattleCoug]

I think Whit is what just kills this for me. KC made a mistake not dealing him a couple years ago, plus I think the Frazier acquisition makes his skillset somewhat redundant anyway. Offensively he just doesn't provide a ton if you are basing it off last year.

 

[NWinAZ]

I think Whit is what just kills this for me. KC made a mistake not dealing him a couple years ago, plus I think the Frazier acquisition makes his skillset somewhat redundant anyway. Offensively he just doesn't provide a ton if you are basing it off last year.

Perez is the huge upgrade in this deal. Merrifield is a good addition if you use him as a utility piece playing daily. He and Frazier are a lot alike (4.6 WAR vs 4.1 for Frazier over last 2 seasons), but his ability to play multiple positions and ability to steal bases is what I like.

Again all this is hypothetical and will never happen, but a deal like this would be interesting to see. And by 'like this' I mean two vets of higher quality for two youngsters of prospective value.

 

[blstoker]

Nothing to talk about so here is a hypothetical. Would you or wouldn't you?

Kelenic and Raleigh

for

Merrifield and Perez

I am always fascinated to see reactions to things I see a particular way.

Does it matter?

If we make the trade - Kelenic'll be David Ortiz.

If we don't - he'll be Willie Bloomquist.

 

[NWinAZ]

Does it matter?

If we make the trade - Kelenic'll be David Ortiz.

If we don't - he'll be Willie Bloomquist.

Best. Answer. Ever.

 

[ulmax]

Nothing to talk about so here is a hypothetical. Would you or wouldn't you?

Kelenic and Raleigh

for

Merrifield and Perez

I am always fascinated to see reactions to things I see a particular way.

i would say ...if ...if.....no..story..then a trade for...marrifield would seem..in order...if he was..available...
on the other....hand...kelenic..or..fraley..could be available...if ..they sign...conforto.....

just if though......if ...if ...where...gifts...we would all'...be a bit happyer.....

 

[ulmax]

k.c...is on the verge as well...so i dont think...they are looking..to trade...perez...and he would be the big get for seattle..so kelenic...and..
murphy...would...be...prob..the trade....well...maybe....if ifs....where gifts....

 

[SeattleCoug]

Perez is the huge upgrade in this deal. Merrifield is a good addition if you use him as a utility piece playing daily. He and Frazier are a lot alike (4.6 WAR vs 4.1 for Frazier over last 2 seasons), but his ability to play multiple positions and ability to steal bases is what I like.

Again all this is hypothetical and will never happen, but a deal like this would be interesting to see. And by 'like this' I mean two vets of higher quality for two youngsters of prospective value.

Perez is definitely the biggest impact piece in this deal. Unless Ford becomes a star, the Mariners might not have a starting catcher in the system. I see Raleigh as more of a backup at this point unless he really works on his pitch framing and other things defensively. I can live with the mediocre if the defense is better. I just have to agree to disagree on Whit, I dont think he provides anything we dont have already. But yeah I guess I still view Kelenic high and Perez is great but not sure what he will be like in 2 years when we are really supposed to hit our true window when everyone else is ready.

 

[ulmax]

trade kelinic for....sure...but milwalkee wont do it...unless hey sign story....lolol

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[ulmax]

risky...but...ya never know........and more about need...than anything...prob a AAA...guy...this year...for kelenic...sure..if ya sign conforto...

CJ Abrams

SS

San Diego Padres

AA

2022

21

6' 2" / 185 lbs

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[Destroydacre]

I voted no but only because both guys are on the wrong side of 30. If you're gonna trade those two you gotta get someone younger IMO. I'd absolutely love to get Perez. If he was going on 28 instead of 32 I'd say yes.

 

[ulmax]

CJ Abrams​

Positions: Shortstop and Second Baseman
Bats: Left • Throws: Right
6-2, 185lb (188cm, 83kg)
Team: San Diego Padres (minors)
Born: October 3, 2000 (Age: 21-122d) in Alpharetta, GA us
Draft: Drafted by the San Diego Padres in the 1st round (6th) of the 2019 MLB June Amateur Draft from Blessed Trinity HS (Roswell, GA).
High School: Blessed Trinity HS (Roswell, GA)
Full Name: Paul Christopher Abrams
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Year	Age	AgeDif	Tm	Lg	Lev	Aff	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB
2019	18		2 Teams	2 Lgs	Rk-A	SDP	34	165	150	41	59	13	8	3	22	15	6	11	14	.393	.436	.647	1.083	97	3	2	0	2	0
2019	18	-3.3	Fort Wayne	MIDW	A	SDP	2	9	8	1	2	1	0	0	0	1	0	1	0	.250	.333	.375	.708	3	0	0	0	0	0
2019	18	-1.6	Padres 1	ARIZ	Rk	SDP	32	156	142	40	57	12	8	3	22	14	6	10	14	.401	.442	.662	1.104	94	3	2	0	2	0
2021	20	-4.0	San Antonio	AACN	AA	SDP	42	183	162	26	48	14	0	2	23	13	2	15	36	.296	.363	.420	.782	68	3	3	1	2	0
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2019	18	2 Teams	2 Lgs	Rk-A	SDP	SS	29	29		258.0	141	41	88	12	23	.915	4.50	4.45
2019	18	Fort Wayne	MIDW	A	SDP	SS	1	1		9.0	5	2	2	1	1	.800	4.00	4.00
2019	18	Padres 1	ARIZ	Rk	SDP	SS	28	28		249.0	136	39	86	11	22	.919	4.52	4.46
2021	20	San Antonio	AACN	AA	SDP	2B	6	6		55.0	16	6	10	0	2	1.000	2.62	2.67
2021	20	San Antonio	AACN	AA	SDP	DH	3	3		0.0	0	0	0	0	0			0.00
2021	20	San Antonio	AACN	AA	SDP	SS	33	33		278.0	126	48	74	4	17	.968	3.95	3.70
All Levels (1 Season)				2B	6	6		55.0	16	6	10	0	2	1.000	2.62	2.67
All Levels (1 Season)				DH	3	3		0.0	0	0	0	0	0			0.00
All Levels (2 Seasons)				SS	62	62		536.0	267	89	162	16	40	.940	4.21	4.05

 

[ulmax]

therecould be other guys..to trade...kelenic for...but this would be a good one...

 

[ulmax]

but i would expect..somthing more like.....if ..ifs....where gifts.....and let...the padres tradefor ...perez..

Submitted by: ulmax

February 3, 2022

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Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Kelenic	21	Majors	OF		Low	6.0	57.8	8.0	49.8	39.8	49.8	59.8

Total Value: 49.80​

Mariners​

Name	Age	Level	P1	P2	Availablility	Years	AFV	Salary	Surplus	Low	Median	High
Campusano	22	Majors	C		Medium	6.0	26.0	3.8	22.2	17.8	22.2	26.6
Snell	28	Majors	SP		Very low	2.0	41.0	28.5	12.5	10	12.5	15
Weathers	21	Majors	SP	LHRP	Low	6.0	15.8	5.7	10.1	8.1	10.1	12.1

 

[ulmax]

need..is a driver....in trades......and how teams....draft...will they pick the best..player available....yes...they will.....of coarse.......

not...is some media fantasy....

 

[ulmax]

choosing which need....in the draft....the team ...will address...1st...is the medias....game...but it is overall...that matters...

this year is...a bit easyer...for the mariners...if you know...them...at all..

 

[wazzu31]

Nothing to talk about so here is a hypothetical. Would you or wouldn't you?

Kelenic and Raleigh

for

Merrifield and Perez

I am always fascinated to see reactions to things I see a particular way.

Only reason I am a no is because IMO Kelenic is worth more than Merrifield. I don’t know who else KC has that could be tossed in for that trade.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Nothing to talk about so here is a hypothetical. Would you or wouldn't you?

Kelenic and Raleigh

for

Merrifield and Perez

I am always fascinated to see reactions to things I see a particular way.

This is tough.

I think my biggest reservations regarding this proposal isn't giving away Kelenic and Raleigh. Merrifield is due to age related regression and in a couple years could leave us looking for a new second baseman. Salvador Perez has always been a great catcher but has never even come close to having a season like he did in 2021 and I wonder if he'll be able to come close to replicating it. We'd be buying high on Merrifield and Perez and selling low on Kelenic and Raleigh is how I see it.

So I think the biggest thing you have to ask yourself is how long you think Merrifield and Perez will continue playing at a high level.

I don't have a definitive answer on yes or no, I think if you move Kelenic and Raleigh in a package, I think I'd like it to be for guys who are established but younger.