Wont Be Too Much Improvement With Andy and Gruden

[jwil007]

Jay Gruden is the 2013 Dave Shula in terms of Offense and play calling....Or better yet.. He is a young version of Bob Predictakowsky..... Hue Jackson will be OC in 2014 and we will have another QB to push Andy....

 

[NCBengal]

I am not totally convinced that Gruden is the issue. The main problem is Dalton. If you are the OC and you have a QB that is incapable of running 1/2 of your playbook that is honestly relatively easy, what are you supposed to do? I am sure Gruden has told Marvin his thoughts on Dalton. Even more, I would bet that Marvin has told Jay to stop running specific plays in specific scenarios.

Gruden is in a bad spot to me. I sure as hell would not want his job right now with that lightweight at QB.

 

[jwil007]

I am not totally convinced that Gruden is the issue. The main problem is Dalton. If you are the OC and you have a QB that is incapable of running 1/2 of your playbook that is honestly relatively easy, what are you supposed to do? I am sure Gruden has told Marvin his thoughts on Dalton. Even more, I would bet that Marvin has told Jay to stop running specific plays in specific scenarios.

Gruden is in a bad spot to me. I sure as hell would not want his job right now with that lightweight at QB.

Gruden spoke highly of him...He wanted him.... I dont see Gruden calling screens enough then he calls a screen for BGE???? with Gio on the team...and BGE dropped the damn ball..... His personnel with play calling is questionable...

 

[Cincyfan78]

They need to take a few more shots downfield to open things up.

If teams are going to double AJ deep, then they need to work a set with Jones going deep, or Sanu. Yeah, they may not connect, but a few shots, and one solid conenction could be enough to start seeing at least a few plays with AJ with no top cover help.

Hell, split out Eiffert wide and send him deep. He'll jump over just about anyone.

It simply puts too much pressure on the offense to have to use 12-13-14 plays to go 80 yards to score all the time. You have to get chunk plays to reduce the burden on the offense, and to force the defense to start mixing things up and get them into coverages they may not neccissarily want to use.

The more plays the offense needs to score, the more chances of a mistake being made.

 

[Tubbs1518]

There should be seam routes ran every possession with Eifert. There is no excuse not to do it. Dalton throws better to the middle of the field than the sidelines it seems. That is the perfect route for our team. Send Green deep to clear the safety on one side and send Eifert down the seam.

 

[DanBengalfan]

The Bengals are not going to ever make since on offense.

with all the weapons we have on offense we ought to be putting up 30 points a game, it's pretty clear by now what the problem is.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The Bengals are not going to ever make since on offense.

with all the weapons we have on offense we ought to be putting up 30 points a game, it's pretty clear by now what the problem is.

You're right.

If we had Conner, all would be solved.


hehe

 

[vancelot23]

Have the Bengals even attempted a pass beyond 10 yards in the past few games?

 

[Servo]

The issue is not Gruden. It's Dalton and it's a talent issue (not fixable). Not saying Gruden is the best OC in the league, but he's limited by his QB's limitations. It also seems pretty evident that he doesn't have confidence in Dalton and is trying to protect him. Despite the abundance of talent at the skill positions the offense is one dimensional because we do not have a QB that can drive the ball down the field. Our lack of an intermediate and deep passing game allows the D to shorten the field.

 

[Servo]

Have the Bengals even attempted a pass beyond 10 yards in the past few games?

No. I forget what announcer said it but to paraphrase he said that pass is basically a run. It has a 98% chance of being completed and will only get you a few yards. These are the plays we run because we're saddled with a qb that cannot thrown down the field. Dink, dink then dink some more.

I will say that Dalton's pass to Marvin Jones was a strike and a big time throw...but just like aaron Rodgers will bounce and easy throw every once in a while DAlton will sporadically deliver a strike down the field.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Per Reedy:

Dalton was 7 of 10 on intermediate passes (in the air 6-15 yards) and 2 of 3 on long balls (in the air 16 yards or more).

 

[NCBengal]

The issue is not Gruden. It's Dalton and it's a talent issue (not fixable). Not saying Gruden is the best OC in the league, but he's limited by his QB's limitations. It also seems pretty evident that he doesn't have confidence in Dalton and is trying to protect him. Despite the abundance of talent at the skill positions the offense is one dimensional because we do not have a QB that can drive the ball down the field. Our lack of an intermediate and deep passing game allows the D to shorten the field.

Agreed. Tubbs is right too though... we have to throw a seam route every possession... I sometimes think Andy won't throw it even when called. He did yesterday and it started to open things up for him.

 

[bengaldoug]

Per Reedy:

Dalton was 7 of 10 on intermediate passes (in the air 6-15 yards) and 2 of 3 on long balls (in the air 16 yards or more).

So in our offense passes of six yards are intermediate passes?

 

[Cincyfan78]

So in our offense passes of six yards are intermediate passes?

I"m just telling you what is quoted in the paper.

I don't know what he considers that, or where he's getting his stats from, but that's what he's got out there.

 

[ckhokie]

Per Reedy:

Dalton was 7 of 10 on intermediate passes (in the air 6-15 yards) and 2 of 3 on long balls (in the air 16 yards or more).

I would love to see how many other teams consider balls that go 16 yards in the air 'long balls'



'Intermediate' being 6-15 is a joke too.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Personally, I think this is partly to do with Marvin Lewis.

He knows Gruden is going to use a WCO, and he wants his QB to be more accurate, and turn the ball over less, so he probably prefers Gruden to run short pass plays that keeps chains moving, uses up the play clock like a run would, and produce better over all field position for the defense.

Basically using the pss offense like extended run plays.

I agree the ball needs to stretch the ball further down the field.

I am happy as hell Dalton threw that INT in the red zone yesterday, and glad we were still able to overcome it.

Dalton plays it too close to the vest in teh red zone, doesn't take enough chances, and I was glad to see him roll out, and try to make some space for his receivers. However, with that said, he made a poor decision to throw it there because he didn't see Spikes basically standing in the perfect spot to intercept that ball.

Now that Dalton's streak is gone and his big ass targets in the red zone: Green, Gresham, Eifert, Sanu...maybe he will not be so nervous to make a mistake in the red zone and he will just go out there and play. I am hoping that is what his problem was in the red zone lately, with him being so conservative. We will see going forward I guess.

That was a brilliant throw to Marvin Jones on 3rd and long, deep in their own end and double covered. That pass was brilliant. Glad to see him make a throw no one belived he could make.

 

[cincygrad]

Personally, I think this is partly to do with Marvin Lewis.

He knows Gruden is going to use a WCO, and he wants his QB to be more accurate, and turn the ball over less, so he probably prefers Gruden to run short pass plays that keeps chains moving, uses up the play clock like a run would, and produce better over all field position for the defense.

Basically using the pss offense like extended run plays.

I agree the ball needs to stretch the ball further down the field.

I am happy as hell Dalton threw that INT in the red zone yesterday, and glad we were still able to overcome it.

Dalton plays it too close to the vest in teh red zone, doesn't take enough chances, and I was glad to see him roll out, and try to make some space for his receivers. However, with that said, he made a poor decision to throw it there because he didn't see Spikes basically standing in the perfect spot to intercept that ball.

Now that Dalton's streak is gone and his big ass targets in the red zone: Green, Gresham, Eifert, Sanu...maybe he will not be so nervous to make a mistake in the red zone and he will just go out there and play. I am hoping that is what his problem was in the red zone lately, with him being so conservative. We will see going forward I guess.

That was a brilliant throw to Marvin Jones on 3rd and long, deep in their own end and double covered. That pass was brilliant. Glad to see him make a throw no one belived he could make.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Just saying...I was glad to see him make a throw everyone said he couldn't make. If he can do it once, he can do it more...but the question is, does Andy have the mental fortitude to make more high risk / high reward throws like that?

 

[ckhokie]

Just saying...I was glad to see him make a throw everyone said he couldn't make. If he can do it once, he can do it more...but the question is, does Andy have the mental fortitude to make more high risk / high reward throws like that?

One time when I was playing golf, I hit the flag stick on a par 3 and the ball dropped an inch from the cup. Doesn't change the fact that I consistently score in the low 90s, nor do I expect to ever do that again.

 

[bengaldoug]

LOL! Where do you find this stuff?