Game Thread: Wild Card: Packers @ Redskins

[redskinsfan]

Dude, you really need to let this go. You are starting to sound like your a ranting lunatic. Everyone understands your point, they just disagree with you. Your point, in a nut shell, is if what you are doing isn't working, you need to try something different. Am I correct? If so, we all hear you. But you don't appear to hear our point. We couldn't employ the scheme you espouse because we didn't have the talent. We do what you want and we will end up giving up big play after big play. So Barry decided that he would rather make them try and kill us at 8 yards a play as opposed to 40 yards a play. Death by 1000 cuts or by 1 cut. Pick your poison. We also understand that you don't agree with us. That's ok. Doesn't make us right and you wrong, or vice versa.

What i, and others, have tried to do is have you step back and look at the bigger picture. Yesterday's game wasn't over but 2 hours before you are calling for a coaches head. Most are trying to get you to reconsider the knee jerk reaction and look at the bigger picture. This season was a success for this team. The defense needs work, no doubt. But just getting back the 6 starters that are on IR should go a long way. And yes, Barry my turn out to be a bum. But let him fail under his own merits, not because he had to try and field a defense held together with gum and string against the best QB in the league.

Just take a breath and let the emotion pass before we make and drastic changes...that's basically what we are all saying.

You've correctly recited my general point that you can't stick with a gameplan that isn't working. Where your point lacks merit is the fact that Rodgers could beat us deep. Listen to just about every commentator who opined on that possibility: almost to a one, they stated that Cobb, Adams and other WRs presented no deep threat, and were quick to emphasize how great a loss Jordy Nelson was to their (deep) passing game. And that was borne out in this game. None of their receivers could take the top off our defense. Did some get open deep? Yes. But you can say that about any passing attack, including Marty's offense featuring Derrius Thompson as our #1 WR.

As for Barry, never liked him when he got hired. And I've been calling for his head for a long time now. I can respect your general opinion on giving him a second chance. But where, as here, it appears he can't cut the mustard, I'm not sure what's so reactionary about getting rid of him. I doubt that will happen and can only hope that we provide him more defensive help, starting with someone on the d-line, that's stout at the point of attack. If we can, his zone based defense can work. But if we can't and he continues to employ the same gameplan, you'll basically get the same results.

 

[redskinsfan]

Now hold on j_y .... I was RIGHT!!!! A little humor can be good.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong about Barry. And I agree that part of the defense's problem is with personnel. But a lot is on him, and, in the game yesterday, a whole lot of blame pie should be given to JB.

 

[Sportster 72]

Hey, I hope I'm wrong about Barry. And I agree that part of the defense's problem is with personnel. But a lot is on him, and, in the game yesterday, a whole lot of blame pie should be given to JB.

I'll give you credit for this. You have convinced yourself.. And it only took 100 posts.

 

[redskinsfan]

I'll give you credit for this. You have convinced yourself.. And it only took 100 posts.

Well, I've convinced more than that. Trust me. But I was told to keep my post counts up. So there's that.

 

[Sportster 72]

So now you are convinced which man to man coverage would you employ and would you stick with that defense on every down? What coverage are you backers in? Are you blitzing? If so who are you blitzing and when would you be blitzing?

 

[ehb5]

You simply don't get how to comprehend a nuanced point: as I just explained, I don't doubt that the Packers were a more talented team, and that Rodgers is a much better QB than Cousins. My point, again, is that, coming into this game, Cousins' production was (far) better than Rodgers'. In the beginning of the game, Rodgers continued his poor production. McCarthy then changed up his gamplan. Barry couldn't respond. Can't imagine what's so hard to comprehend here.

HOLY SHIT DUDE. Read what the hell I wrote. I was talking to shark about the talent of our defense. You disagreed with my opinion that barry doesn't have significantly more talent to work with than Haslett. Now you're ranting and raving to me about scheme and Kirk cousins and aaron Rodgers. The only person with any comprehension issues here is you - in regards to the basic English language. My god.

 

[Sportster 72]

HOLY SHIT DUDE. Read what the hell I wrote. I was talking to shark about the talent of our defense. You disagreed with my opinion that barry doesn't have significantly more talent to work with than Haslett. Now you're ranting and raving to me about scheme and Kirk cousins and aaron Rodgers. The only person with any comprehension issues here is you - in regards to the basic English language. My god.

Go easy ehb, he is worried about being right.

 

[redskinsfan]

HOLY SHIT DUDE. Read what the hell I wrote. I was talking to shark about the talent of our defense. You disagreed with my opinion that barry doesn't have significantly more talent to work with than Haslett. Now you're ranting and raving to me about scheme and Kirk cousins and aaron Rodgers. The only person with any comprehension issues here is you - in regards to the basic English language. My god.

Well, that's the point I was arguing. I thought it was pretty clear from what I wrote. Knock yourself out, champ.

 

[redskinsfan]

Go easy ehb, he is worried about being right.

Which I am.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Redskinsfan,

I will refrain from commenting after this since this is going in circles. It is a joke to compare the Packers to the Saints. Big difference for Brees since he needed to press constantly since his team had possibly the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Rodgers on the other hand could take his time since the Packers have a very formidable defense.

Again - who cares if Rodgers struggled recently. He is more than capable of turning the switch & playing very well & adjusting as needed. That is what he did last nt. Not sure why you don't understand that. And again - you continually dismiss the lack of talent in the current Redskins secondary primarily due to injuries. You can't compare this to the other games where they could get away with that for teams that are inferior to the Packers.

You seem to operate under this assumption that coaches can completely mask a lack of talent with schemes and similar. Sorry - that is a very incorrect assumption. In the end - talent wins out. With your theory - you could basically coach up a high level college team to win a playoff game - just doesn't work that way.

Oh well - agree to disagree.

 

[Sportster 72]

Get back to me when you come up with a game plan instead of a theory.

 

[redskinsfan]

Redskinsfan,

I will refrain from commenting after this since this is going in circles. It is a joke to compare the Packers to the Saints. Big difference for Brees since he needed to press constantly since his team had possibly the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Rodgers on the other hand could take his time since the Packers have a very formidable defense.

Again - who cares if Rodgers struggled recently. He is more than capable of turning the switch & playing very well & adjusting as needed. That is what he did last nt. Not sure why you don't understand that. And again - you continually dismiss the lack of talent in the current Redskins secondary primarily due to injuries. You can't compare this to the other games where they could get away with that for teams that are inferior to the Packers.

You seem to operate under this assumption that coaches can completely mask a lack of talent with schemes and similar. Sorry - that is a very incorrect assumption. In the end - talent wins out. With your theory - you could basically coach up a high level college team to win a playoff game - just doesn't work that way.

Oh well - agree to disagree.

It certainly isn't a joke to compare them. Both are QBs that are tops in the NFL, though at this point in time, Rodgers is better than Brees. Having said that, Rodgers didn't turn it on last night as you've described. He was efficient in playing small ball for two quarters, unless you consider passing for 210 yards turning it on. And I don't want to belabor this point, but Rodgers play during the past 10 games has been very average to poor. You also seems to miss the fact that we played teams like the Giants, who, with the way Eli and his WRs were playing when we met them in the second game, were playing far better than Rodgers and his WRs.

What you seem to miss overall is not the general issue of who has more talent -- I've already admitted that the Packers do. You're missing the fact that trends can be paramount in any given game, in much the same way that trends were important when Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson. No one would argue that Douglas was better. But Douglas won that fight due to the fact that, among other things, Tyson had things going on outside of the ring that affected his abilities inside of it.

 

[j_y19]

Get back to me when you come up with a game plan instead of a theory.

Or a DC of any worth that would come here and work after we fired our current one after 1 year.

 

[redskinsfan]

Get back to me when you come up with a game plan instead of a theory.

I did do that. How about playing press coverage and sitting on passes. We did that pretty damn well when playing Eli, OBJ, Rueben Randle, and Dwayne Harris. And there's no way you can tell me that when we played the Giants the second time around, the Packers passing attack was anywhere close to the Giants' passing offense.

 

[skinsdad62]

rodgers had 31 tds only 8 picks and a 92.7 passer rating . sure looks like he struggled to me

 

[redskinsfan]

rodgers had 31 tds only 8 picks and a 92.7 passer rating . sure looks like he struggled to me

That's his play overall in the season. My point has always been how he came in to the game yesterday. Just about every commentator chimed in with the same point. The Pack also started off 6-0, but ended up going 4-6 down the stretch, and should've gone 3-7 but for that Hail Mary in the Detroit game. Are you telling me that you saw more of the former rather than the latter before starting the game?

 

[j_y19]

I did do that. How about playing press coverage and sitting on passes. We did that pretty damn well when playing Eli, OBJ, Rueben Randle, and Dwayne Harris. And there's no way you can tell me that when we played the Giants the second time around, the Packers passing attack was anywhere close to the Giants' passing offense.

wait a minute. If we did that against the Giants, then Barry must not be wed to the philosophy you hold him to exclusively. He did adapt? Wasn't that your contention for firing him, he stuck to one scheme and wouldn't come off it? But you just pointed out he did against the giants? Please explain?

 

[skinsdad62]

That's his play overall in the season. My point has always been how he came in to the game yesterday. Just about every commentator chimed in with the same point. The Pack also started off 6-0, but ended up going 4-6 down the stretch, and should've gone 3-7 but for that Hail Mary in the Detroit game. Are you telling me that you saw more of the former rather than the latter before starting the game?

who cares about it ? it couldnt have been that bad with those stats

 

[ehb5]

Go easy ehb, he is worried about being right.

Haha I know I should but it's so damn frustrating. I can handle having an opinion I don't agree with - then we can debate. But when people don't/can't read what I write I lose my mind lol.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I did do that. How about playing press coverage and sitting on passes. We did that pretty damn well when playing Eli, OBJ, Rueben Randle, and Dwayne Harris. And there's no way you can tell me that when we played the Giants the second time around, the Packers passing attack was anywhere close to the Giants' passing offense.

Manning had 320 yds in that game. Difference was that they had 3 turnovers & Rodgers rarely throws picks. The Giants also have no running game & their defense is horrible. This is considerably different than the Packers. Kind of refutes your entire response.