Why I Think Anthony Collins Will Be Ok

[jwil007]

He has done it before and when he played in 09 he looked WAY BETTER than Roland that year...You know the year we swept the AFC North... In 08 he had some very good games as a rookie...I BELIEVE he has quicker feet than Whit and his weakness is the bullrush.....

It hasn't been an easy road for Collins here since he came out of Kansas in the fourth round in 2008, two years behind Whitworth. Here's a guy that didn't play football until his senior year in high school and is basketball athletic.

"He's had to find his way; we all have in different ways," Whitworth said. "He's matured and he's really a great kid. He's been nothing but tremendous whenever he's had to play for Andre (Smith) or me throughout his career."

Teammates on both sides of the ball believe Collins could be a starter on most NFL teams. He hasn't started at left tackle since he filled in for Levi Jones the last six games of his rookie season, and he's started 12 games since at right tackle, including seven of the first eight games of the 2009 AFC North run. And with Whitworth and Smith out of this year's spring ball, Collins jumped back and forth all May and June.

"I think Collins is athletic enough to do a pretty good job," Lapham says. "The test will be when Peppers decides to try to bull rush and what kind of success he'll have bulling him. I think AC's feet are pretty good. (Peppers) still has great hands, quick hands. He still has some moves to him. He's one of the best ever."

But Collins has some moves, too.

"I think Peppers is going to be surprised at how AC can move out there," Lapham says.

He will show the world on Sunday...and when he does achieve he may not come out of the lineup ALL SEASON! Whit's knee is shot....time to start looking forward....Soon we will find out..With this situation...I BELIEVE..

 

[Tubbs1518]

Or he could look like he did this preseason and continually get abused. Whit has been one of the couple best pass blocking tackles the past 3 years. Collins isn't giving us that

 

[jwil007]

Or he could look like he did this preseason and continually get abused. Whit has been one of the couple best pass blocking tackles the past 3 years. Collins isn't giving us that

disagree that he was abused...Ware didnt sack Dalton...LOL We lead the Preseason in rushing..Are you watching the same team I am.... Give me his PFF data for the preseason... Mel Kiper...LOL

 

[vancelot23]

I'm Cincinnati doesn't draft a T in the first two rounds of next year's draft, they're morons.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I don't need stats......I know what I SEE!

 

[Tubbs1518]

Also Mel Kiper has nothing to do with scouting pro players so that reference makes no sense.

 

[jwil007]

And the sack fumble in game 2 came from the right side....

 

[jwil007]

Also Mel Kiper has nothing to do with scouting pro players so that reference makes no sense.

Look dude you are passionate so am I we can agree to disagree...If Collins fails Im here all day...You said Im whinin about players you whine about Collins...LOL You know what I call it???? A difference of opinion....1 man will be right and 1 man will be wrong.... We ALL are about to see what happens.....

 

[jwil007]

If you know what you see did he help in the run game yards in the preseason?? (#1 ranking) I would say yes...That means things are going good he is doing things right...I believe Whit and what they see in him and what Marv says about Collins over you....LOL So we can agree to disagree If Im wrong I can admit that I sleep good at night right or wrong....question is can YOU???????????????????

 

[Cincyfan78]

Jwil, you made just about anyone's point...it was PRE-SEASON. That don't mean a thing, and you know it.

You know how many guys lead the NFL in rushing, sacks, receptions, tackles in the PRE-SEASON only to be looking for a team just a few days after the last PRE-SEASON game ended, or end up on the PS, or end up as backups? It happens all the time. There is a reason for this. Because PRE-SEASON ain't the real thing.

Whit is one of the top rated LT's in the NFL. You may not like him, his style may not impress you, but the guy gets it done. Period.

That isn't to say that Collins isn't a good player, or that he can't hold down the fort, but to say that you've SEEN enough of Collins at LT (which he hasn't played in a REAL game since he was drafted) to push Whit out the door is lunacy.

Also, who cares what Marvin has SAID about Collins...remember, we SEE better than we HEAR...and I've seen Whit play at an All-Pro level pretty much since 2009, and I've SEEN Collins get relegated to backup everytime whoever he replaces gets healthy enough to play...That's what I'VE SEEN.

 

[jwil007]

Jwil, you made just about anyone's point...it was PRE-SEASON. That don't mean a thing, and you know it.

You know how many guys lead the NFL in rushing, sacks, receptions, tackles in the PRE-SEASON only to be looking for a team just a few days after the last PRE-SEASON game ended, or end up on the PS, or end up as backups? It happens all the time. There is a reason for this. Because PRE-SEASON ain't the real thing.

Whit is one of the top rated LT's in the NFL. You may not like him, his style may not impress you, but the guy gets it done. Period.

That isn't to say that Collins isn't a good player, or that he can't hold down the fort, but to say that you've SEEN enough of Collins at LT (which he hasn't played in a REAL game since he was drafted) to push Whit out the door is lunacy.

Also, who cares what Marvin has SAID about Collins...remember, we SEE better than we HEAR...and I've seen Whit play at an All-Pro level pretty much since 2009, and I've SEEN Collins get relegated to backup everytime whoever he replaces gets healthy enough to play...That's what I'VE SEEN.

cincy,
1 question for you....if Collins shows out will you give him props???? I will most definitely say he sucks if he doesnt...Will you give him props if he gets it done????????????????

 

[jwil007]

Here is 1 for ya....If Collins plays the 1st 5 games...We will be 4-1. Thats my prediction...Whats yours?

 

[Cincyfan78]

Jwil...I hope Collins does very well. I want the Bengals to win, and he's a part of that. You are misconstruing the issue I have with most of your takes on here.

You spout off about "SEEING" more from certain guys, but yet those guys haven't put nearly enough tape out there to SEE anything. You then compare them to guys who have years of tape, or at least MORE tape to SEE from than the player you hype up. It's completely contradictory. I'll use Moch as an example here. You claimed to SEE more in Moch, but yet he played in 1 game with 0 tackles. You ridiculed Krikpatrick and Still saying you didn't SEE anything in them, but combined they've played in 13 games with a combined 18 tackles, 1/2 sack and 1 FF. While I can agree that you may not still SEE a lot in Still and Kirkpatrick (Jury is definately still out on them) you can't claim to have SEEN more out of Moch when he's done LESS, and played LESS than the two players you want to disparage.

Collins hasn't played LT in a real game since his rookie season. To say he's a better pass blocker than Whit is ludicris because he hasn't even played 1/2 a real season at LT in several years. All the meanwhile, Whit is just one of the top LT's in the league ever since he took the position over. You don't get that way by sucking at pass blocking on the blind side.

Oh, and your "I'll be here if he's wrong" schtick is simply to detract from that simple fact...you have NOTHING to point to when someone asks why you think player A is better than player B other than your own gut feeling. Which is, again, completely fine. But don't say you SEE better when you are going off your gut feeling. Just simply say: I have a gut feeling that Collins is going to have a break out year subbing in for Whit. There, that's it. Not hard. But don't go around saying that he's better than whit in this and that when Whit is one of the top rated LT's in the game. It simply doesn't hold water.

When I talk about Whit being a good blocker, or Moch not having impact on this team, I can look at the stat sheet and SHOW where the impact was made, or wasn't made. We can certainly agree to disagree on gut feelings on how players may turn out, but don't turn those gut feelings and twist them into statements of facts that simply can't be backed up. THAT is what I am taking issue with. You have gut feelings...cool. We all do. But don't claim to SEE more in a player that hasn't played enough to say that about, or in a position that can't be compared to the player they are subbing for.

 

[cincygrad]

Did his barber say he would succeed?

 

[jwil007]

Jwil...I hope Collins does very well. I want the Bengals to win, and he's a part of that. You are misconstruing the issue I have with most of your takes on here.

You spout off about "SEEING" more from certain guys, but yet those guys haven't put nearly enough tape out there to SEE anything. You then compare them to guys who have years of tape, or at least MORE tape to SEE from than the player you hype up. It's completely contradictory. I'll use Moch as an example here. You claimed to SEE more in Moch, but yet he played in 1 game with 0 tackles. You ridiculed Krikpatrick and Still saying you didn't SEE anything in them, but combined they've played in 13 games with a combined 18 tackles, 1/2 sack and 1 FF. While I can agree that you may not still SEE a lot in Still and Kirkpatrick (Jury is definately still out on them) you can't claim to have SEEN more out of Moch when he's done LESS, and played LESS than the two players you want to disparage.

Collins hasn't played LT in a real game since his rookie season. To say he's a better pass blocker than Whit is ludicris because he hasn't even played 1/2 a real season at LT in several years. All the meanwhile, Whit is just one of the top LT's in the league ever since he took the position over. You don't get that way by sucking at pass blocking on the blind side.
-Im not a big fan of Whit I think he is a slow LT but very good TECHNIQUE wise....but SLOW. He has success with speed rushers and he has been ABUSED as well...Again top end LT but not 1 I would want longterm.. just the way I see it...sorry.

Oh, and your "I'll be here if he's wrong" schtick is simply to detract from that simple fact...you have NOTHING to point to when someone asks why you think player A is better than player B other than your own gut feeling. Which is, again, completely fine. But don't say you SEE better when you are going off your gut feeling. Just simply say: I have a gut feeling that Collins is going to have a break out year subbing in for Whit. There, that's it. Not hard. But don't go around saying that he's better than whit in this and that when Whit is one of the top rated LT's in the game. It simply doesn't hold water.

-NO its because when I saw him on the left I thought he could do better and I BELIEVE he has quicker feet to play LT betten than Whit...His feet is quicker for the fast DE's on the left.....and admitting when Im wrong is not a schtick LOL its being real...Cincy and I will continue to operate that way...I dont read PFF and post the facts although I like the facts...from what I see I believe he will be just fine and COULD do better than Whit if given the extended playing time....Lets move on.

When I talk about Whit being a good blocker, or Moch not having impact on this team, I can look at the stat sheet and SHOW where the impact was made, or wasn't made. We can certainly agree to disagree on gut feelings on how players may turn out, but don't turn those gut feelings and twist them into statements of facts that simply can't be backed up. THAT is what I am taking issue with. You have gut feelings...cool. We all do. But don't claim to SEE more in a player that hasn't played enough to say that about, or in a position that can't be compared to the player they are subbing for.

-Never turned any opinions into facts Mr Cincy....LOL Its again what I believe...I dont think Still and Dre are shit and they can prove it as players...I will stay there until I see differently..I think Moch on the other hand could become a very good DE in the right scheme...it is what it is....We dont have a large subset of facts with Still , Dre and Moch...and I SAID A LARGE SUBSET not a small subset

 

[cincygrad]

-Never turned any opinions into facts Mr Cincy....LOL Its again what I believe...I dont think Still and Dre are shit and they can prove it as players...I will stay there until I see differently..I think Moch on the other hand could become a very good DE in the right scheme...it is what it is....We dont have a large subset of facts with Still , Dre and Moch...and I SAID A LARGE SUBSET not a small subset

We don't have ANY subset with Moch.... But hey, he'll probably be an all-pro.

 

[jwil007]

This 1 will fire you up..here is a prediction for ya....LMFAO!!!!!!!! Whitworth will play hurt all season may end up on IR and be cut at the end of the season in favor of a younger Collins and top draft pick that will fight it out for the LT position next year.... See you at seasons end with this prediction...LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jwil007]

We don't have ANY subset with Moch.... But hey, he'll probably be an all-pro.

probably

 

[Cincyfan78]

-Never turned any opinions into facts Mr Cincy....LOL Its again what I believe...I dont think Still and Dre are shit and they can prove it as players...I will stay there until I see differently..I think Moch on the other hand could become a very good DE in the right scheme...it is what it is....We dont have a large subset of facts with Still , Dre and Moch...and I SAID A LARGE SUBSET not a small subset

Agreed that the jury is still out on several players. There's no debate about that. I think, personally, playing OLB in a 3-4 is his best option to utilize his speed.

Bottom line is, regardless of who the players are, I want them to do well so the Bengals can win some games. I think that we can agree on, at least I hope...LOL

 

[Cincyfan78]

This 1 will fire you up..here is a prediction for ya....LMFAO!!!!!!!! Whitworth will play hurt all season may end up on IR and be cut at the end of the season in favor of a younger Collins and top draft pick that will fight it out for the LT position next year.... See you at seasons end with this prediction...LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If he's hurt, and can't play the position anymore at a high level, then I have zero issue with him being cut/released.

It happens every year to players...they get old/injured. Sucks, but it happens.