Who will be the Seahawk starting QB in September?

[Sharkonabicycle]

They have? How so?

I can't find anything online right now Harold so any answer I'm going to give you is complete crap. But I am pretty sure I read online Seattle was impressed with him in the pro day/combine and interviews. Here's a randomly abstract picture that says nothing....

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Sorry man, I know I'm giving you a very pathetic answer lol.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

So, we have the draft capital to test out 2022 and also 2023? Why not do both? You're willing to tank the team to go all in (again the QBs you're talking about will require top 5 picks at least as of now) without giving a chance to see what might be possible in 2022?

It's one fuckin' pick. You're telling me a 2nd round pick defined an entire team? OH WAIT, well, a 3rd round pick did... Russell Wilson, a 6th round pick did, Tom Brady... and some other 2nd round picks (Drew Brees, Brett Favre) did as well.

But oh yah, let's tank the team to get the #1 overall pick.

Cause none of these QBs are worth a first or second round pick. Why waste these picks on a middle of the pack QBs? Brady was pure luck and Wilson would have gone earlier if he was taller and if Andy Reid wasn't a dope.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

My thought was baker kinda fits petes system, and hes got much better surrounding talent than he had in cleveland imho. No chubb and hunt but the run game always does well in seattle. But if the goal is to tank, i wouldnt want him.

He probably does kind of fit the system but I'm not giving up a pick for him. Take that pick and add depth and run with Lock for the year.

 

[Podunkparte]

You guys know there will be QBs in the draft next year besides the elite top 2, right? Just because someone doesn't want one of the low-rated guys this year doesn't mean we have to tank for a top 2 pick. The entire crop of draftable QBs next year will undoubtedly be more highly regarded than this year's group.

 

[blstoker]

2022 NFL Draft: Is the Quarterback Class as Bad as Perception?

Malik Willis and the rest of the 2022 NFL draft quarterback class have been categorized as one of the worst classes in recent history. Does the data back up that claim?

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I gotta admit: I feel bad for this year's crop of quarterbacks in the NFL draft.

These guys are just trying to flex their muscle and earn a promotion to the next level. And all they hear is how bad they are relative to other quarterback classes.

If these little chats were happening when I was trying to get a job in sports media, and all I heard about was how small my hands are, I'd be buying consolation Ben and Jerry's regularly.

Thankfully, these guys are mentally tougher than I am. They're going to be fine.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't find a way to quantify whether the criticism is valid. Is this class actually bad, or are we prisoners of the moment after a rockstar-level 2021 class?

We've got some tools that can help us do exactly that. As discussed in this week's statistical ranking of the top quarterbacks in the class, I've built out an NFL draft quarterback model that takes each player's statistical resume coming out (their efficiency numbers, age, and experience level) and tells me how they compare to other prospects invited to the combine since 2010.

In that piece, we found that the average "successful" first-round pick since 2010 was in the 82nd percentile of my model prior to the draft. The less successful picks were in the 62nd percentile on average. So, even if there are massive whiffs (here's to you, Josh Allen), the numbers can at least give us an idea of a quarterback's quality.

Let's use that model today to test this year's quarterbacks versus previous draft classes. Unfortunately for our much-maligned friends, a lot of the narrative is correct.

Looking for Upside​

The key criticism of this year's class has been finding a well-rounded prospect. Someone who checks every box. We can use the model to determine if that's true.

Throughout the piece, we're going to focus on just the top five quarterbacks in each class (based on draft capital). What scouts think matters a lot. If we didn't account for it in some way, the 2012 class would look great because it had Kellen Moore, who went undrafted. Obviously, that'd be flawed.

For this year's class, we'll use Todd McShay's rankings to determine who the top five are, meaning we've got Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, Sam Howell, and Desmond Ridder in the mix.

To determine upside, I looked at the top five quarterbacks each year and found which of that group ranked highest in my pre-draft model. And generally, there was at least one gem each time.

The lowest-ranked top quarterback came in 2013. That was Geno Smith, who ranked in the 86th percentile of my model entering the draft. That was the year where E.J. Manuel was the lone first-rounder, widely considered one of the worst quarterback drafts of the recent era.

This year, Pickett leads my model among that group of five. He's in the 79th percentile, 7 percentage points short of Smith. It's the first time since 2010 that no top-five quarterbacks are in the 80th or 85th percentile of my pre-draft model.

Woof.

To make matters even worse, this is just the third draft class with no 90th-percentile quarterbacks in the pre-draft model. The other was in 2017. In that one, Patrick Mahomes was at the top, sitting in the 86th percentile, and Deshaun Watson was second in the 82nd. So, that draft did produce two stars despite not having anybody super, super high in the model, but even those two were a decent chunk ahead of this entire class.

I think this means we can definitively call the "low-upside" criticism of this draft class fair, at least based on the numbers.

More Acceptable Depth​

The other way to look at this is measuring the top five in this class versus the top five in other classes. Not every eventual stud quarterback has a great grade in the model, so we could dig in and see what things look like beyond the tippy top.

So, I ran the averages of the top five quarterbacks in each class for where they ranked in my pre-draft model. This method does look better for the 2022 class.

The chart below shows the average pre-draft model percentile rank for the top five quarterbacks in each class (again, with the top five being the five taken most highly or the five with the highest anticipated draft capital this year).

Year	Top 5 QB Average
2022	67.1%
2021	90.3%
2020	76.1%
2019	76.8%
2018	62.9%
2017	66.1%
2016	50.5%
2015	62.1%
2014	84.9%
2013	52.3%
2012	58.9%
2011	46.0%
2010	58.2%

Before we get to this year: my goodness, was 2021 sick.

All five first-round quarterbacks last year were in the 83rd percentile or higher of the pre-draft model. Two guys (Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson) were in at least the 95th percentile. If you're a team like the Carolina Panthers or Denver Broncos who kicked the quarterback can down the road to this year, ya done messed up. Mac Jones (88th percentile) and Justin Fields (87th) were available outside the top 10 and still grade out much better than anybody in this year' class.

If you ignore 2021, though, this year doesn't look too bad. That's in large part because nobody in this year's top five is outrageously low in the model. Lowest is Willis in the 36th percentile, and as discussed in our rankings piece, he's got upside that the numbers don't capture. So, the depth is better than the starpower.

This method, too, has been decent for identifying poor classes. The lowest-ranked class based on the full top five was in 2011. That class had Cam Newton (93rd percentile) and Andy Dalton (82nd) in the top five. But it also had Christian Ponder (20th), Jake Locker (19th), and Blaine Gabbert (14th), and we know how that went.

Nobody near the top of this year's class grades out quite that disastrously. In fact, four of the top five by expected draft capital are in the 66th percentile or higher in the pre-draft model. There are several good options, especially if you're not dumping a top-five pick to get them. There just aren't any great ones.

What This Means​

To me, there are two big takeaways from the data.

The first is that the overall perception that this class is lackluster is fair and justified. The average successful first-rounder is in the 82nd percentile of my model, and nobody here hits that threshold. There aren't any no-brainer options here.

The second, though, is that there are guys here who at least have quality play in their range of outcomes. It might not be their most likely outcome, but they're not prospects we should fully dismiss.

That's why it's hard to get your feathers too ruffled if a team decides to take a swipe at this group in the middle of the first round or later. There, you can afford to take swings if the player can be a difference-maker. You're taking on risk, sure, but at quarterback, the downsides of that will almost always be worth giving yourself a chance at one of the league's next elite options.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

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[MrS]

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Like they always say, they are in on everything.

That said, matt ryan would make a lot more sense than mayfield.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I can't find anything online right now Harold so any answer I'm going to give you is complete crap. But I am pretty sure I read online Seattle was impressed with him in the pro day/combine and interviews. Here's a randomly abstract picture that says nothing....

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Sorry man, I know I'm giving you a very pathetic answer lol.

Players Seahawks have visits with:



I will say this, Corral been mocked more often to Seahawks then any other QB, Willis is the second most. If the Seahawks take a QB I'm guessing Pickett, those mocks never get Seahawks right.

 

[blstoker]

Players Seahawks have visits with:

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I will say this, Corral been mocked more often to Seahawks then any other QB, Willis is the second most. If the Seahawks take a QB I'm guessing Pickett, those mocks never get Seahawks right.

I've been looking at Spiller, Borghi, Ebiketie and Lucas a lot (Otton and Willis a little). This may be the first year I've even had visiting rookies on my list in a long time - let alone who the Hawks take.

 

[seattlefan75]

Sure. But to get this defense to be an elite defense they basically need to hit on every pick. That just isn't realistic.

Actually in my opinion and I am just a regular guy but I think defense is more so how well you coach than actual talent. The Broncos have 1 guy last year with 5 sacks (Harris whom is now on our team) and another safety with 5 INTs which is pretty good but defense to me is good scheming and preparing week by week.

 

[flyerhawk]

Actually in my opinion and I am just a regular guy but I think defense is more so how well you coach than actual talent. The Broncos have 1 guy last year with 5 sacks (Harris whom is now on our team) and another safety with 5 INTs which is pretty good but defense to me is good scheming and preparing week by week.

Well I would agree that coaching matters on defense. No so much because of scheme but rather execution. The Seahawks had an elite defense that ran a vanilla scheme of Cover-3 and Cover-1 Man/Zone. But they executed it very well. But they had an effective pass rush and they had a corner that basically shut down one half of the field for passing.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Players Seahawks have visits with:

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I will say this, Corral been mocked more often to Seahawks then any other QB, Willis is the second most. If the Seahawks take a QB I'm guessing Pickett, those mocks never get Seahawks right.

True.

Walker and Lucas are kind of mid-late 2nd round prospects for OT. Don't see much 1st rounders in there outside of Willis, but maybe they already have someone in mind with the #9.

On Ebiketie, from NFL.com and the draft profiles:
NFL Comparison
Uchenna Nwosu

lol..

 

[ulmax]

willis..is the guy....this year..and maybe an other.the next year..need kc free agent center
A LT..ANDLG RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M

DEf
RE..LE

this is 6 guys alreadty

then still 2CBS..and a SAFTYevery guy is secific..no second chances..you have to get your guys

well
1.willis..QB
2 sean ryan ucla..i really want the ausi..from west mich as well..but sean can do booth lt/lg..so
2RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
prob is i need..2 more..#2s
2EDGE Cameron Thomas - San Diego State
2EDGE Sam Williams - Ole Miss
and..
need this guy..at
3 if he is still there

#3Tariq Woolen..CB​

##..3if he lasts that long

​

CHRISTIAN WATSON​

has 10 inch..hNDS..makes it easyer to catch..

B Isaac Taylor-Stuart - USC..for a backup CB..
CB Zyon McCollum - Sam Houston State..for back up FS/CB


i change my mind for dt..

OTITO OGBONNIA​

UCLA
D

JAMAREE SALYER​

GEORGIA..who i like....for Rg/oc
G

 

[ulmax]

guys you cant get...the next year

willis
ryan

#3Tariq Woolen..CB​

##..3if he lasts that long

matybe
RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M

a good chance you would not be able to find a guy like this the next year

CHRISTIAN WATSON​

 

[ulmax]

#3Tariq Woolen..CB...‎Richard Sherman​

 

[HaroldSeattle]

 

[ulmax]

EDGE Cameron Thomas - San Diego State
....im laying off..
and going..with..
14.

Micheal Clemons, DE, Texas A&M
Height: 6-4. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.8.
Projected Round (2022): 3-5.

about 10 QBs..next year...so...even if ya get..willis...might want to take another the next year

clemens is more prototypical..jacob green..that my stye..FOR..LE

 

[ulmax]

you can see in this video...clemens is all..into it..thats how i like defence

.

 

[ulmax]

sam williams...faster...than bruce irvin...2022.. combine


Sam Williams
(2022)
EDGE • Mississippi
4.46

Seconds

Leon Jacobs
(2018)
EDGE • Wisconsin
4.48

Seconds

Lorenzo Carter
(2018)
EDGE • Georgia
4.50

Seconds

Justin Hollins
(2019)
EDGE • Oregon
4.50

Seconds

Bruce Irvin
(2012)
DE • West Virginia
4.50

Seconds

 

[MrS]

I can't find anything online right now Harold so any answer I'm going to give you is complete crap. But I am pretty sure I read online Seattle was impressed with him in the pro day/combine and interviews. Here's a randomly abstract picture that says nothing....

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Sorry man, I know I'm giving you a very pathetic answer lol.

corrall is a mini kraperdick SJW fruitcake, want nothing to do with him.