Who belongs in the HOF

[GNG]

 

[Villain]

The PED guys and the douchebag gambler from the Reds. Put them all in.

 

[Omar 382]

how so???

Because he had a better batting average than Bonds, and you think BA is a more indicative stat of measuring a player's production than OBP.

 

[Clayton]

Fivethirtyeight came out with expected number of Hall of Famers and came up with this:

1870s 0 1.0 -1.0 1.0 -1.0
1880s 13 12.5 +0.5 13.0 -0.0
1890s 15 10.2 +4.8 10.5 +4.5
1900s 21 12.1 +8.9 12.4 +8.6
1910s 12 10.8 +1.2 10.8 +1.2
1920s 28 11.0 +17.0 11.3 +16.7
1930s 28 18.1 +9.9 18.8 +9.2
1940s 13 10.6 +2.4 10.8 +2.2
1950s 18 14.4 +3.6 14.7 +3.3
1960s 21 23.0 -2.0 23.7 -2.7
1970s 17 27.3 -10.3 28.3 -11.3
1980s 20 30.6 -10.6 31.4 -11.4
1990s 9 30.5 -21.5 25.7 -16.7
2000s 0 2.9 -2.9 2.6 -2.6

So there are a whole ton of players that should be in from the past 40 years.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Because he had a better batting average than Bonds, and you think BA is a more indicative stat of measuring a player's production than OBP.

I guess people like you only look at one stat, I like making my analysis based on many stats... I guess this is where we are different...

 

[Cyder]

I am in a debating mood...


Who is not in the HOF but deserves it??

To me Jeff Kent is the most glaring omission when you look at his production at 2nd base.

 

[Omar 382]

I guess people like you only look at one stat, I like making my analysis based on many stats... I guess this is where we are different...

Haha- you're trying to patronize me? I was ignoring all other stats for the purpose of my destruction of your ridiculous thesis that BA is a more-telling stat than OBP by giving you a player who has a worse batting average, but a better On-Base Percentage than another player, and asking which player is better.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Haha- you're trying to patronize me? I was ignoring all other stats for the purpose of my destruction of your ridiculous thesis that BA is a more-telling stat than OBP by giving you a player who has a worse batting average, but a better On-Base Percentage than another player, and asking which is better.

If you reread my post though, you will see that I said I like to measure BB and BA separately... I am not discounting BB... I just think getting a hit is more important than getting a walk...

Would you agree that there are different roles where a BB can be more important than others...

For example, a leadoff hitter, it is very important that they walk and see pitches... But for a power hitter wouldn't you rather them get the hit than the walk??

 

[Cyder]

If you look at Albert Belle from 1991 to 1999 there weren't many better hitters in the game. The guy was a dick but he was a great, great hitter

 

[Omar 382]

If you reread my post though, you will see that I said I like to measure BB and BA separately... I am not discounting BB... I just think getting a hit is more important than getting a walk...

No matter what else you say, if you think BA is better than OBP you don't understand baseball

 

[obxyankeefan]

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[MilkSpiller22]

No matter what else you say, if you think BA is better than OBP you don't understand baseball

OK... you just want to attack people I see... good job...

 

[Omar 382]

If you look at Albert Belle from 1991 to 1999 there weren't many better hitters in the game. The guy was a dick but he was a great, great hitter

Yeah, but the important thing is from 1991-1999. Not nearly long enough. Hall of Very Good (and Hall of Douchebag Outfielders who played for Cleveland in the '90s)

 

[Omar 382]

OK... you just want to attack people I see... good job...

Not attacking at all. Just trying to educate and be educated. In this instance, I'm doing the educating.

 

[Clayton]

Of guys on this past ballot, I can see good cases for:

Bagwell
Mussina
Schilling
Raines
Trammel
Bonds
Clemens
Edgar
Kent
Hoffman
Walker

Get all of these guys in. Put Bonds, Clemens and Rose in a special wing complete with a before and after picture of Bonds' head

 

[Cyder]

Yeah, but the important thing is from 1991-1999. Not nearly long enough. Hall of Very Good (and Hall of Douchebag Outfielders who played for Cleveland in the '90s)

His 2000 was pretty good too so that's 10 seasons. Led the league in RBI's a couple of times, in slugging a couple of times, lifetime 369 OBP. I tend to give more credit to a few great years than compilers.

 

[Omar 382]

His 2000 was pretty good too so that's 10 seasons. Led the league in RBI's a couple of times, in slugging a couple of times, lifetime 369 OBP. I tend to give more credit to a few great years than compilers.

As do I, and as you should. But even his peak years can't get him into the Hall of Fame. 38th all-time in JAWS among left fielders with 37.9- well below the left field JAWS HOF average of 53.3

 

[huskers1217]

Mr 398

 

[Cyder]

As do I, and as you should. But even his peak years can't get him into the Hall of Fame. 38th all-time in JAWS among left fielders with 37.9- well below the left field JAWS HOF average of 53.3

JAWS is a great movie.

 

[Omar 382]

JAWS is a great movie.

Also a good statistic for measuring a baseball player's Hall of Fame worthiness