Who belongs in the HOF

[MilkSpiller22]

I am in a debating mood...


Who is not in the HOF but deserves it??

 

[Wamu]

Roy Hobbs?

 

[Wamu]

Willie Mays Hayes

 

[Wamu]

Rick 'wild thing' Vaughn

 

[Wamu]

Pedro Cerrano

 

[StanMarsh51]

I am in a debating mood...


Who is not in the HOF but deserves it??

Of guys on this past ballot, I can see good cases for:

Bagwell
Mussina
Schilling
Raines
Trammel
Bonds
Clemens
Edgar
Kent
Hoffman
Walker

 

[Wamu]

Not Roger Dorn though

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Bagwell- Yes
Mussina- Maybe
Schilling- Yes
Raines- Yes
Bonds- Yes
Clemens-Yes
Edgar-No
Kent-No
Hoffman-Yes

Mussina I am on the fence with, his advanced numbers have him in, but I don't think his real numbers are anything special...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Not Roger Dorn though

IDK, he was a damn good player until he reached the Indians... was known to dogg it on ground balls and not hustling, but he got over that phase... He then became a pretty decent player once again...

 

[Wamu]

IDK, he was a damn good player until he reached the Indians... was known to dogg it on ground balls and not hustling, but he got over that phase... He then became a pretty decent player once again...

He's still on the outside looking in right now though.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Bagwell- Yes
Mussina- Maybe
Schilling- Yes
Raines- Yes
Bonds- Yes
Clemens-Yes
Edgar-No
Kent-No
Hoffman-Yes

Mussina I am on the fence with, his advanced numbers have him in, but I don't think his real numbers are anything special...

I think the only 'real' number hurting him is his ERA, but obviously pitching in the AL East during the 1990s/2000s had an effect on that.

Other than that, he's in pretty elite territory..of the 330 pitchers with 2,000+ innings since 1901, he's top 30 in wins and winning %, strikeouts, K/BB, quality starts

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think the only 'real' number hurting him is his ERA, but obviously pitching in the AL East during the 1990s/2000s had an effect on that.

Other than that, he's in pretty elite territory..of the 330 pitchers with 2,000+ innings since 1901, he's top 30 in wins and winning %, strikeouts, K/BB, quality starts

Maybe it is that he never had the ONE great season... He was consistently very good...

 

[StanMarsh51]

Maybe it is that he never had the ONE great season... He was consistently very good...

Depends on your definition of great...in 2001 for instance, there's a strong case that he was the AL's best pitcher (although Clemens won the Cy largely due to being the 1st pitcher ever to go 20-1).

He also had a season where he went 18-5 with a 2.41 ERA in 240 innings.

Maybe these weren't on the level of a Maddux/Pedro historical year, but I'd call those seasons (among a few others during his career) great.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Bagwell & Curt 100%

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Willie Mays Hayes

Not to pick on one of my all time favorite movies... But what HAYES, does willie run like??

He says "I hit like Mays, and I run like Hayes" the only Hayes i found that really stole any bases was Von Hayes... And it is not like he was anything special...

 

[Nosferatu]

Shoeless Joe!

 

[Wamu]

Not to pick on one of my all time favorite movies... But what HAYES, does willie run like??

He says "I hit like Mays, and I run like Hayes" the only Hayes i found that really stole any bases was Von Hayes... And it is not like he was anything special...

Yeah I'm a fan of that movie as well. As a matter of fact every year on Opening Day I watch that movie in hopes of the Indians having a good season!

 

[tducey]

Rose, Raines, Bagwell, Clemens, Bonds

 

[kcden]

Not to pick on one of my all time favorite movies... But what HAYES, does willie run like??

He says "I hit like Mays, and I run like Hayes" the only Hayes i found that really stole any bases was Von Hayes... And it is not like he was anything special...

Bullet Bob

Bob Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

Bary Bonds and Roger Clemens