When is it appropriate to cry refs?

[Wild Turkey]

If that’s the case, I retract that example

God didn’t want Bama to win so the point is moot anyway.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Another example I remember comes from the NFL. It was probably 10 years ago(Jay Cutler was still a Bronco anyways).

Under a minute left, Jay Cutler fumbles, Chargers recover, but it was ruled an incomplete pass. Review the play, said it was indeed fumble, but since the whistle had blew the play was dead and the Broncos kept possession despite the clear, immediate recovery.

Broncos go on to get a TD to pull within one as the clock expired and then hit the two point conversion to win the game. Chargers should have been taking knees to end the game.

Think that play lead to some rule changes

 

[rmilia1]

What id like for review is for the review official to get one look at each angle TV has. Slow mo and full speed but just one look. After those are done the official has 15 seconds to convey his ruling or the play stands. This 8 minute review shit is dumb. If you cant tell right away from 1 look at each angle that the call was clearly wrong then it wasnt clearly wrong. Thats what the word CLEAR means

 

[Wild Turkey]

AND I hate it when the refs allow something different on a last play because they don't want to decide the game. Bullshit, you are deciding the game because you are changing a call at a critical moment.

Depends on what it is. Did it impact the play? Was it marginal? Sometimes holding the flag is the best course of action and an unwritten rule of officiating.

Sideline and celebration infractions are perfect examples that shouldn’t be called in critical moments.

 

[Wild Turkey]

We really should ask the Bammers as they have never lost a game that wasn’t the officials fault.

 

[Chewbaccer]

We really should ask the Bammers as they have never lost a game that wasn’t the officials fault.

Gaytor nation is in the same boat

 

[PickleRick]

Just watch a timberwolves game. It is hilariously funny at the calls made against them. And before you cry, i was a die hard boston fan until the timberwolves existed. The difference in calls is shocking to say the least.

 

[batchaps4me]

Depends on what it is. Did it impact the play? Was it marginal? Sometimes holding the flag is the best course of action and an unwritten rule of officiating.

Sideline and celebration infractions are perfect examples that shouldn’t be called in critical moments.

I understand the thought and reasoning, I just disagree. If it is a penalty for the first 59 minutes, it is a penalty on the last play as well. The time on the clock nor flow of the game should never allow what is a rule change for certain plays IMHO.

 

[Moab]

Just watch a timberwolves game. It is hilariously funny at the calls made against them. And before you cry, i was a die hard boston fan until the timberwolves existed. The difference in calls is shocking to say the least.

That's the NBA, and I highly doubt more than about 20% of the posters that are interested in CFB give a damn about the NBA. That's a league that is about the superstar players, CFB is about teams and schools.

 

[blazer prophet]

Here's a problem I have.....

When Chip Kelly was coaching Oregon and we were one of the few teams at the forefront of the hurry up.... we went to Cal. Cal had a so-so team, but a good running game. Their game plan, and only hope of winning, was to take as much time off the clock as possible and run the ball. Keep the Oregon offense off the field, disrupt their timing... Cal take a small lead and their game plan is looking good. In the second quarter the refs royally mess up a series of calls directly giving Oregon 2 TD's. That directly took Cal our of their game plan and forced them to start throwing- where they were fodder and the game was over. We went ton to roll them.

Referees have a greater effect on a game than most people know. This is just one example. Not that Oklahoma had much of a chance against LSU, but the refs thru a series of incredible bad calls and non calls took Oklahoma out of any prayer to win that game and when OSU beat Clemson, the refs, essentially, revered the outcome of the game with 2 horrendous calls.

My thinking is to have pro refs call all NBCS Championship series games and major bowl games.

 

[Goldbug]

I'm sorry but anyone who says a really bad call can't affect the outcome of a contest that's been fought for long and hard is a moron. NBA: the foul that was obviously wrong to 60% of the game's attendees and 80% of the national TV audience. NFL: a fumble that only Ray Charles and the officiating crew missed. MLB: the missed call on the base runner that turned the game upside down and the announcers are saying the league needs to be able to fix calls like that. NASCAR: the phantom paper cup on Turn 3 that replay can't find but it caused another restart that screwed the race leader royally. Etc., etc. Only a sophist claims a team should have never put themselves in position to let something bad happen. That's about as intelligent as saying you were a dumb ass to even be walking around that day anyway when you were killed in a random driveby shooting. Stuff happens in life; sometimes it changes things in the worst way. Fairness doesn't always have a part in it.

 

[GoldRusher]

Dunno but count me on board with doing away with these conference officials and begin a single body entity of officials complete with consequences for crap performances.

I don't have a dog in the fight this bowl season but Ive watched a ton of games and there have been head scratching calls/no calls and inconsistency in every single one of em. The officiating needs to improve drastically across the board.

 

[rmilia1]

The way i feel about review overturns is the same way i feel about jury trials.

I think a jury should get like 24 hours to decide an outcome. If it takes you longer than 24 hours then youve got reasonable doubt. If youve got reasonable doubt then the person is not guilty.

Reviewed plays are akin to that. If you dont know right away that the call was wrong then you dont have indisputable evidence .

 

[batchaps4me]

My thinking is to have pro refs call all NBCS Championship series games and major bowl games.

Sounds good in theory but college rules are much different from pro.

 

[PIBuckeye]

When there are 65-80 plays a game, one bad call doesn't determine a game.

um. one legit TD taken off the board can determine a game............. holy hell...... how is this even debatable.....

 

[huskers1217]

Somewhat agree... But let's say something like this happened:

Two evenly matched teams. One team is lining up for a relatively short field goal, and the other team jumps offsides, blocks the kick, and returns it for a TD.

That's a 10 (potentially more) point swing, which can be huge in a game like that.

pass incompletes. most of the time - a second is ran off the clock that probably shouldn't be. if we reviewed all of those...some teams could have an extra 15 secs at the end.

 

[huskers1217]

um. one legit TD taken off the board can determine a game............. holy hell...... how is this even debatable.....

or if FSU is given one in the 1993 orange bowl.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Here's a problem I have.....

When Chip Kelly was coaching Oregon and we were one of the few teams at the forefront of the hurry up.... we went to Cal. Cal had a so-so team, but a good running game. Their game plan, and only hope of winning, was to take as much time off the clock as possible and run the ball. Keep the Oregon offense off the field, disrupt their timing... Cal take a small lead and their game plan is looking good. In the second quarter the refs royally mess up a series of calls directly giving Oregon 2 TD's. That directly took Cal our of their game plan and forced them to start throwing- where they were fodder and the game was over. We went ton to roll them.

Referees have a greater effect on a game than most people know. This is just one example. Not that Oklahoma had much of a chance against LSU, but the refs thru a series of incredible bad calls and non calls took Oklahoma out of any prayer to win that game and when OSU beat Clemson, the refs, essentially, reversed the outcome of the game with 2 horrendous calls.

My thinking is to have pro refs call all NBCS Championship series games and major bowl games.

^^^this x 1,000,000

 

[blazer prophet]

Sounds good in theory but college rules are much different from pro.

In a way, yes. But pro refs are used to a fast game and getting more calls right the first time.

 

[Moab]

If you put your situation in the hands of others, bad things will happen to you. In most cases, if you made the play properly and didn't put it in the hands of the officials, you wouldn't have problems with bad calls. Yes, bad calls happen, but if you make good plays and don't do stupid shit then you're not putting it in their hands to F it up.

 

[catlanta33]

Sports have been more enjoyable once I accepted that refs pretty much suck at all levels in all sports. For one, having a bunch of fat, out-of-shape dudes trying to get up and down a court or field is just silly. Most of them can't even keep up with the towel boys and they make calls many times from a position they really can't see everything going on in a play.

I think the best thing to mitigate shitty refs is to hold them accountable. I think they do this in one pro league but after a game, the press would be questioning the players, coaches and refs. If they continually have to explain calls then they're more likely to get better or be weeded out.


To answer the OP, I don't cry about refs anymore. I does no good, anyway. The final score goes in the books, not their shitty game-changing calls.

 

[Win TWINS!!!]

What i do is consider if the same shit happened to Iowa and whether or not id be pissed. If i would be then it ok if that teams fans bitch. If i wouldnt be then its not

That's just not how it works, though... biased eyes en sech... just the way it is.

When there are 65-80 plays a game, one bad call doesn't determine a game.

Until it happens to your team....