POLL Were Villanova and West Virginia cheated by the refs?

[The Q]

Didn't see they were robbed by any means. Doesn't change the fact every team has been screwed by the officiating throughout this tournament

But not to the point of deciding the game like that.

the game was decided by those plays more than anything else during the 40 minutes. That's not even arguable.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Kansas vs Gonzaga for the national title.

Sure looking like it at the moment

 

[Mike A. S.]

No one got robbed more than Northwestern. They were about to cut the lead to 2 (if they simply got the obvious goaltending call then it would've been only a 2-point lead and all the momentum), instead they don't get that and they instead get a technical foul call on their coach. All of a sudden it's a 6-point lead and the momentum is killed.

 

[redseat]

But not to the point of deciding the game like that.

the game was decided by those plays more than anything else during the 40 minutes. That's not even arguable.

it certainly was a huge factor but it wasn't the only one.

 

[The Q]

it certainly was a huge factor but it wasn't the only one.

Never said it was.

I said it was the most important factor. And one that decided the game more than the players did.

Again, just more to think about.

You get the flagrant foul on Hayes right after that steal, Wisky doesn't even get the ball back after those Nova FTs.

 

[redseat]

Never said it was.

I said it was the most important factor. And one that decided the game more than the players did.

Again, just more to think about.

You get the flagrant foul on Hayes right after that steal, Wisky doesn't even get the ball back after those Nova FTs.

I know you weren't, just saying.,,

That wasn't a flagrant one imo either. But I have seen it be called for that same play though.

 

[The Q]

I know you weren't, just saying.,,

That wasn't a flagrant one imo either. But I have seen it be called for that same play though.

You think it's not....

show me how he was playing the ball when it was 10 feet away from the Nova player.

that's about as easy a flagrant as you can get. Literally zero attempt to play the ball. He just grabbed him by the waist and tried to pull him away from the ball.

You can't even do that in college football lol

 

[redseat]

You think it's not....

show me how he was playing the ball when it was 10 feet away from the Nova player.

that's about as easy a flagrant as you can get. Literally zero attempt to play the ball. He just grabbed him by the waist and tried to pull him away from the ball.

You can't even do that in college football lol

it wasn't as bad as people think it was. Sure he fouled him but he didn't turn him a complete 180 or anything like that. We also have the advantage of super slo mo. granted if they wanted they could have checked.

 

[The Q]

it wasn't as bad as people think it was. Sure he fouled him but he didn't turn him a complete 180 or anything like that. We also have the advantage of super slo mo. granted if they wanted they could have checked.

Had he just pushed off to try and get ahead of him, i'd agree with you.

but all he did was grab him to prevent him from getting a steal and clear layup. He didn't spin him because he grabbed his waist on the complete opposite side of his body from where he was reaching from. It was a legit hug at waist level.

 

[redseat]

Had he just pushed off to try and get ahead of him, i'd agree with you.

but all he did was grab him to prevent him from getting a steal and clear layup. He didn't spin him because he grabbed his waist on the complete opposite side of his body from where he was reaching from. It was a legit hug at waist level.

I saw it slightly differently than you did but I agree it could have been called a Flagrant but I'm thinking it wasn't called because of the game... It obviously was a clear foul that's for sure

 

[The Q]

I saw it slightly differently than you did but I agree it could have been called a Flagrant but I'm thinking it wasn't called because of the game... It obviously was a clear foul that's for sure

And that's just not an acceptable answer.

In fact, officials are specifically taught to not do this.

If that's a flagrant in the first 2 minutes, it's one in the last 2. That's what they're taught. There's no question these guys didn't do that in this game. They basically swallowed their whistles the last 2 minutes unless it was laughably obvious (not just regularly obvious like the 3 other Hart drives where he was fouled)....and even then they got it wrong.

 

[redseat]

And that's just not an acceptable answer.

In fact, officials are specifically taught to not do this.

If that's a flagrant in the first 2 minutes, it's one in the last 2. That's what they're taught. There's no question these guys didn't do that in this game. They basically swallowed their whistles the last 2 minutes unless it was laughably obvious (not just regularly obvious like the 3 other Hart drives where he was fouled)....and even then they got it wrong.

exactly, it should be called the same way but it hasn't been this tournament... One second it's a foul, the next second it's not.

 

[The Q]

exactly, it should be called the same way but it hasn't been this tournament... One second it's a foul, the next second it's not.

which is funny. I thought this year during the regular season they did a great job of it compared to previous years...

and now this tourney.....

ugh

 

[GoldRusher]

Oh it's crying time again!!!!

9 times they screwed us this year... 9 freggin times!! Refs caused every single loss.

It's like we were playing football in the PAC!

 

[redseat]

which is funny. I thought this year during the regular season they did a great job of it compared to previous years...

and now this tourney.....

ugh

I 100% agree with you. It's like the head of the officials just said to his guys, "F it. do what ever you want"

 

[The Q]

I 100% agree with you. It's like the head of the officials just said to his guys, "F it. do what ever you want"

Unfortunately a lot of the better refs are doing local HS games.

There's a reason most of these refs out here are older lol

 

[redseat]

which is funny. I thought this year during the regular season they did a great job of it compared to previous years...

and now this tourney.....

ugh

I 100% agree with you. It's like the head of the officials just said to his gu

Unfortunately a lot of the better refs are doing local HS games.

There's a reason most of these refs out here are older lol

haha, yeah... they certainly are getting older!

 

[The Q]

I 100% agree with you. It's like the head of the officials just said to his gu


haha, yeah... they certainly are getting older!

Reffing is very political.

 

[redseat]

Reffing is very political.

Sure is... I just don't get how it's been so bad this tourney though. I mean these are crucial, crucial games

 

[The Q]

Sure is... I just don't get how it's been so bad this tourney though. I mean these are crucial, crucial games

I got nothing.

But these guys are ending players careers with completely reckless abandon for the rules. that's what I have issue with.