Weird CFB stats of the season so far

[7Samurai13]

The offensive stats of MSU are shocking for the month of October.

My alcohol intake stats are shocking for the month of October.

 

[ellupo]

I can say Jim Harbaugh is doing a good job while also saying Jim Harbaugh needs to win more games than he currently is and also that he hasn't earned his paycheck yet.

These 2 together make no sense.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

These 2 together make no sense.

Sure it does. He hasn't done an elite job. He hasn't won a B10 title, beaten OSU...ect. But he hasn't done a bad job either. He's done a good job but I would like it to be better. I dont' think that's a conflicting statement.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

What has he done other then let his assistants coach? He is not a defensive guy, so no coaching there. He is supposed to be an offensive guy but he shit the bed on that and turned it over to a newbie. If you mean he kept his hands off and thats how he improved the team you are right.

I think being a good coach also means surrounding yourself with good coaches. Saban has shown a knack for that at Alabama. So did Urban; both guys had coordinators immediately bump to head coaches around the country. Heck, Urban left one in charge at OSU. I don't think Harbaugh is keeping his hands off of this offensive improvement, because there's lots of elements to this offense that screams old Harbaugh (good and bad). But there's no way to say for sure what's happening behind the scenes. Fact is, this Harbaugh coached team is getting better after switching offensive coordinators and systems.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Nothing but a small blip in the past at this point. Things are relatively back to normal now.

cool. I was worried.

 

[7Samurai13]

These 2 together make no sense.

He’s paid like he is a great coach but only doing a “good job”.

 

[ellupo]

Sure it does. He hasn't done an elite job. He hasn't won a B10 title, beaten OSU...ect. But he hasn't done a bad job either. He's done a good job but I would like it to be better. I dont' think that's a conflicting statement.

A good job means earning his pay. If he is not doing that he is not earning his pay. If he was making half of what he is them maybe he is doing a good job. Yes pay does matter with regards to evaluating the job he is doing.

 

[ellupo]

I think being a good coach also means surrounding yourself with good coaches. Saban has shown a knack for that at Alabama. So did Urban; both guys had coordinators immediately bump to head coaches around the country. Heck, Urban left one in charge at OSU. I don't think Harbaugh is keeping his hands off of this offensive improvement, because there's lots of elements to this offense that screams old Harbaugh (good and bad). But there's no way to say for sure what's happening behind the scenes. Fact is, this Harbaugh coached team is getting better after switching offensive coordinators and systems.

We saw the Harbaugh led offense last year.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

A good job means earning his pay. If he is not doing that he is not earning his pay. If he was making half of what he is them maybe he is doing a good job. Yes pay does matter with regards to evaluating the job he is doing.

Pay doesn't really concern me. I'm not paying it. In terms of head coaching, he's doing a good job. I wish he were doing a great job.

 

[7Samurai13]

I think being a good coach also means surrounding yourself with good coaches. Saban has shown a knack for that at Alabama. So did Urban; both guys had coordinators immediately bump to head coaches around the country. Heck, Urban left one in charge at OSU. I don't think Harbaugh is keeping his hands off of this offensive improvement, because there's lots of elements to this offense that screams old Harbaugh (good and bad). But there's no way to say for sure what's happening behind the scenes. Fact is, this Harbaugh coached team is getting better after switching offensive coordinators and systems.

So what you are saying is Harbaugh lied when he said this is Gattis’s offense and he was going to be hands off.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

We saw the Harbaugh led offense last year.

The offense wasn't always the issue last year. It started slow against ND, and it was missing some key players in the bowl loss to Florida. Against OSU we scored 39 points; which is usually enough to win any game. Fact is, you're probably not winning games you let opposing teams score 41 and 62 points in.

 

[7Samurai13]

The offense wasn't always the issue last year. It started slow against ND, and it was missing some key players in the bowl loss to Florida. Against OSU we scored 39 points; which is usually enough to win any game. Fact is, you're probably not winning games you let opposing teams score 41 and 62 points in.

42 points is a defensive manhandling in the Big12

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So what you are saying is Harbaugh lied when he said this is Gattis’s offense and he was going to be hands off.

I'm not sure. I think that it's not the whole truth. I don't think any head coach is entirely hands off on both sides of the ball. I think Harbaugh lets Gattis control a lot but I think Harbaugh also has final say in a lot of things and he does influence it.

 

[7Samurai13]

I'm not sure. I think that it's not the whole truth. I don't think any head coach is entirely hands off on both sides of the ball. I think Harbaugh lets Gattis control a lot but I think Harbaugh also has final say in a lot of things and he does influence it.

So yes, Harbaugh lied

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

So yes, Harbaugh lied

Lie seems like an aggressive take on that. I think he wanted to show support for Gattis early on, show support for the system and show support that he wasn't going to be a micro manager. But I also think he obviously, as head coach, has influence on the offense. I'm sure it wasn't Gattis who insisted on using a fullback early on in the season and has since abandoned. But like any program, we're never going to get a full answer on who does what or who did what.

 

[ellupo]

Pay doesn't really concern me. I'm not paying it. In terms of head coaching, he's doing a good job. I wish he were doing a great job.

You are paying it every time you watch a game or buy something with the M.

 

[Wamu]

The offense wasn't always the issue last year. It started slow against ND, and it was missing some key players in the bowl loss to Florida. Against OSU we scored 39 points; which is usually enough to win any game. Fact is, you're probably not winning games you let opposing teams score 41 and 62 points in.

"against OSU we scored 39 points"




The Buckeye D last year finished the season ranked 53rd in the country, they were awful.


meeeechegan's D finished 16th & still gave up an all time worst 62 to Ohio State last year.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

"against OSU we scored 39 points"




The Buckeye D last year finished the season ranked 53rd in the country, they were awful.


meeeechegan's D finished 16th & still gave up an all time worst 62 to Ohio State last year.

Right. It was the defense though. If Michigan scores 39 against OSU and OSU scores 7, the headlines read "Michigan dominates OSU". That loss wasn't on the offense.

 

[Wamu]

Right. It was the defense though. If Michigan scores 39 against OSU and OSU scores 7, the headlines read "Michigan dominates OSU". That loss wasn't on the offense.

You're right that ass whooping wasn't on the offense. It was on Harbaugh. After all he's the coach.

 

[outofyourmind]

Wait
MnB09 starts great thread talking about an incredible stat.
People divert the discussion to Harbaugh.
MnB09 can't stop defending Harbaugh and Michigan.