Was Lawrence Phillips the only reason Nebraska won in 1995

[Brasky]

Credibility plummeting by the second.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

Oh I'm well aware that DOCTOR Tom Osbourne has his degree in sports psych. I had hoards of Nebraska fans keep telling me that.

In the end how he handled the kid was pure wrong.

And no, I don't see many kids doing worse then LP today. But please, point them out.

He didn't do what he could have done....he COULD have suspended him for the entire year at least. Teach him that he's not above the law. That his football abilities - which were outstanding by the way - weren't going to get him off the hook for felonious assault.

He should have gone to prison.

Did he?

Nope - amazing how the NE 'justice' system slapped him on the wrist just like Tom.

On a semi-related note, part of the problem is that these kids are treated like they're special starting in high school. Do what you want, just play football. They get away with it in high school and in college, then when the NFL actually punishes them they get all shocked and shaken.

Part of it is on the kids and part of it is on the coaches that handle them.

LP was taught that football was more important than what you did off the field and it was the wrong lesson.

He could have been a HoFer. Think for a moment about his balance between power and speed. And he's no liability in the pass game either because he'd be a solid pass blocker. He had the ingredients. Dick Vermeil and Jimmy Johnson both thought so it's just that they couldn't put up with a guy that slapped women around.

Tom Osbourne failed LP. It was the wrong call, keeping him on the team.

I am so glad that the University of Texas football players are setting an example of how to handle themselves since Lawrence Phillips.


April 2002: Cedric Benson is arrested for marijuana possession at a party to which the police were called. Charges are dropped in May.

October 2003: Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #2) kicks in the door to an apartment to supposedly try and recover a stolen TV. Except he breaks into the wrong apartment. He is arrested for criminal trespassing and sentenced to eight days in jail, none of which he ever serves because of "overcrowding."

May 2008: Former player Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #3) is arrested for BWI, which is boating while intoxicated. BWI is typically a charge that you have to be belligerently drunk to get, and it sure didn't help that Cedric resisted arrest. He failed the field sobriety test and spent the night in jail.



June 2008: Former player Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #4) is arrested for DWI. Benson had driven through a red light, and had then failed the sobriety test. Despite refusing to take a blood or breath test, Cedric claims that he aced all the tests and that he's being profiled. The Bears release him due to his "pattern of behavior" and he is ordered to put a ignition lock breathalyzer in his car.

June 2010: Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #5) is arrested for a bar fight on 6th St with another patron. The bar staff separate them, and Benson shoves the manager of the bar and spits blood from a cut lip at a different bar employee. They escort Cedric out of the bar, but he tries to re-enter, and when prevented, he punches another bar employee.

July 2011: Career criminal Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #6) is arrested yet again, this time for assault with bodily injury with family violence. Benson had two criminal cases against him at the same time, and pled no contest to both in exchange for a sentence of 20 days in jail (of which he served five), a $4,000 fine, an undisclosed amount of restitution to the victims, and 30 hours of community service.

November 2003: Matt Nordgren and Cedric Griffin "confront a UT student" for an unknown reason and prevent him from calling the police. Griffin is charged with interference with an emergency phone call, and Nordgren is charged with criminal mischief.


November 2005: Myron Hardy gets into a fight and pulls out a butterfly knife during the altercation. He is arrested on the weapons charge. Mack actually kicks him off the team for this in conjunction with academic issues, the guy apparently actually faces the charges, and he rejoined the team in 08 for his senior year.


December 2005: Cedric Griffin (INCIDENT #2) and Ramonce Taylor are investigated in connection with a beating and robbery. It is announced that they will not be charged on December 17th, after a ESPN source with APD reports that they had interestingly had the upcoming NC game as the deadline of whether or not to file charges.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Did you know that 5 > 3? Its true, I swear.

Ahman Green is apparently not a good carrier of the football.....

 

[Brasky]

Did you know that 5 > 3? Its true, I swear.

Ahman Green is apparently not a good carrier of the football.....

I'm guessing she doesn't even know who Ahman Green is.

 

[Tomhusker]

I'm guessing she doesn't even know who Ahman Green is.

 

[bigred472]

Oh I'm well aware that DOCTOR Tom Osbourne has his degree in sports psych. I had hoards of Nebraska fans keep telling me that.

In the end how he handled the kid was pure wrong.

And no, I don't see many kids doing worse then LP today. But please, point them out.
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First off, let me remind you of a certain QB from LSU about five years ago that was busted for assault outside a strip club he had been illegally in. How many games was he suspended? Not 9. And that suspension happened at the start of the season (with the weakest part of LSUs schedule). LP got extensive counseling/therapy over a 9 game suspension--over a two month time period. He kept his nose clean. Whether the suspension was one month or one year, if a kid stays on the straight and narrow, does and says all the right things, he deserves another chance.

As has already been mentioned TO has regretted how he handled LP. But that's with hindsight. You cannot come on here condemning TO unless you're privy to more facts than most Husker fans, and imply you know more about how to handle LP than what TO attempted.

The onus on this whole issue rests primarily on PLs shoulders. He either wanted help or not. In giving the right anwswers, all he was doing was hurting himself because if TO couldn't reach him no one could have. The key point here is again if LP really wanted help in the first place or was just giving lip service to his HC to get back into his good graces. My guess is the latter because the did the same damn thing over and over again in the pros and I sure he was offered extensive help then as well.

 

[Red_Alert]

Originally posted by PAT
Oh I'm well aware that DOCTOR Tom Osbourne has his degree in sports psych. I had hoards of Nebraska fans keep telling me that.

In the end how he handled the kid was pure wrong.

And no, I don't see many kids doing worse then LP today. But please, point them out.

First off, let me remind you of a certain QB from LSU about five years ago that was busted for assault outside a strip club he had been illegally in. How many games was he suspended? Not 9. And that suspension happened at the start of the season (with the weakest part of LSUs schedule). LP got extensive counseling/therapy over a 9 game suspension--over a two month time period. He kept his nose clean. Whether the suspension was one month or one year, if a kid stays on the straight and narrow, does and says all the right things, he deserves another chance.

As has already been mentioned TO has regretted how he handled LP. But that's with hindsight. You cannot come on here condemning TO unless you're privy to more facts than most Husker fans, and imply you know more about how to handle LP than what TO attempted.

The onus on this whole issue rests primarily on PLs shoulders. He either wanted help or not. In giving the right anwswers, all he was doing was hurting himself because if TO couldn't reach him no one could have. The key point here is again if LP really wanted help in the first place or was just giving lip service to his HC to get back into his good graces. My guess is the latter because the did the same damn thing over and over again in the pros and I sure he was offered extensive help then as well.

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[Tomhusker]

Oh I'm well aware that DOCTOR Tom Osbourne has his degree in sports psych. I had hoards of Nebraska fans keep telling me that.

In the end how he handled the kid was pure wrong.

And no, I don't see many kids doing worse then LP today. But please, point them out.
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First off, let me remind you of a certain QB from LSU about five years ago that was busted for assault outside a strip club he had been illegally in. How many games was he suspended? Not 9. And that suspension happened at the start of the season (with the weakest part of LSUs schedule). LP got extensive counseling/therapy over a 9 game suspension--over a two month time period. He kept his nose clean. Whether the suspension was one month or one year, if a kid stays on the straight and narrow, does and says all the right things, he deserves another chance.

As has already been mentioned TO has regretted how he handled LP. But that's with hindsight. You cannot come on here condemning TO unless you're privy to more facts than most Husker fans, and imply you know more about how to handle LP than what TO attempted.

The onus on this whole issue rests primarily on PLs shoulders. He either wanted help or not. In giving the right anwswers, all he was doing was hurting himself because if TO couldn't reach him no one could have. The key point here is again if LP really wanted help in the first place or was just giving lip service to his HC to get back into his good graces. My guess is the latter because the did the same damn thing over and over again in the pros and I sure he was offered extensive help then as well.

You're up Meg/Pat.

 

[bigred472]

Honestly?

I remember that the 'Huskers lost the national championship game the year before to Florida St. on a completly bullshit call by the ref.

They left the field that day with unfinished business.

I think Tom knew that if he kept LP on the field it gave him a better shot at winning the national championship. I just can't believe that he chose to leave him on the field PURELY out of what was best for LP.

He had a conflict of interest there.

Would LP have gone on to commit all those crimes if Tom had been hard on him? I have no idea. I think he stands a better chance of not committing them, though.

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Conflict of interest? Good God in heaven. I've heard TO talk twice (neither was a football discussion although he did throw ouut a couple of anecdotes about his players. For all of his successs, the man has no ego. He showed the same integrity and grace in winning as he did in losing.

By the time an individual hits 18/19 years of age there are certain elements in ones psyche that have been formed and formed pretty much for life. Bluntly put and yes this is with hindsight Phillips was a psychotic and a liar. Neither you nor I know whether Dr. Tom played good cop or bad cop with Phillips. But I can assure you he would not have let Phillips play if he didn't believe LP hadn't re-habilitated himself. AndI can doubly assure you that TOs decision to let LP play in that game had no bearing on whether or not that would tip the scales in Nebraska winning a NC. That shows me how little you know of the man. As a HC he would never have used a player for anything like that.

 

[bigred472]

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[outofyourmind]

Nothing was going to keep that Nebraska team from winning big.
LP on the field or not.
You could drive trucks through the holes the Offensive Line opened up.

 

[Red_Alert]

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#46 gave the appearance it was you saying all of that.

I know it's a CBS habit, but it makes things confusing on SportsHoopla.

Just use the quote button and edit out the superfluous stuff you don't want there. IE. Stiff you're not commenting to. If it's not too long, I generally leave their entire post and Bold the part I'm commenting to.

 

[Brasky]

Guys. Her argument is crystal clear. The greatest college football team to ever grace the face of the earth won games solely due to the supreme talents of one Lawrence Phillips.

Perfect women's logic. Sound in every aspect.