POLL Vote for the MVP

[tducey]

James Harden would get my vote.

 

[Shanemansj13]

This is not true, once again, the team collapses to let him get uncontested rebounds so that he can get the ball and get the offense started quicker, the Rockets do the same thing with Harden.

Almost none of their rebounds are contested rebounds, they are bullshit.

I can agree with this, it is not like he is getting offensive rebounds. Now he does create shots for teammates but that has nothing to do with him shooting at a poor rate. I mean even taking as many shots as he does he still shoots low. The thing is, I think the Thunder NEED him to do this, he has single-handily won games for them or made comebacks late in the 4th.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I mean I voted RW but to me it wouldn't matter if Harden or RW got it. I think Harden has a better team but his team also has overachieved team wise than RW's team. They are both pretty inefficient. Harden is an absolute beast at getting to the charity stripe.

 

[TJL]

I can agree with this, it is not like he is getting offensive rebounds. Now he does create shots for teammates but that has nothing to do with him shooting at a poor rate. I mean even taking as many shots as he does he still shoots low. The thing is, I think the Thunder NEED him to do this, he has single-handily won games for them or made comebacks late in the 4th.

Yea, I just think people need to forget about TRIPLE DOUBLES

Harden's team wasn't even projected to make the playoffs, he is also averaging gaudy numbers while simultaneously making his teammates better.

Westbrook, as someone said before, doesn't even give his teammates a chance to get better lol A PG shooting the ball 40 times? And most of those early in the shotclock without one pass in the possession, please.

Also, like someone said before, him playing hero ball has won them some games, but on the flip side, it's lost them games as well.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

This is not true, once again, the team collapses to let him get uncontested rebounds so that he can get the ball and get the offense started quicker, the Rockets do the same thing with Harden.

Almost none of their rebounds are contested rebounds, they are bullshit.

If only there was an advanced stat to support my contention.....wait a tick.
It's called PER, or Player efficiency rating. It's the most advanced stat in use in factoring in everything a player contributes and the net efficiency of those contributions.

#1 is Westbrook with a 30.69 PER.
#2 is Harden with a 27.83 PER.
So Westbrook is around 9.5% more efficient than the second most efficient player in The NBA this year.

The other players in consideration for MVP all rate near the top in PER..
#3 Durant 27.77 PER
#4 Leonard 27.65 PER
#5 James 26.73 PER
#6 Thomas 26.66 PER.
It's really remarkable just how well PER identifies the top candidates.

Westbrook should run away with The MVP award.

 

[TJL]

If only there was an advanced stat to support my contention.....wait a tick.
It's called PER, or Player efficiency rating. It's the most advanced stat in use in factoring in everything a player contributes and the net efficiency of those contributions.

#1 is Westbrook with a 30.69 PER.
#2 is Harden with a 27.83 PER.
So Westbrook is around 9.5% more efficient than the second most efficient player in The NBA this year.

The other players in consideration for MVP all rate near the top in PER..
#3 Durant 27.77 PER
#4 Leonard 27.65 PER
#5 James 26.73 PER
#6 Thomas 26.66 PER.
It's really remarkable just how well PER identifies the top candidates.

Westbrook should run away with The MVP award.

What the fuck does PER have to do with what I said? you giant turd

 

[BallsOfFurry]

What the fuck does PER have to do with what I said? you giant turd

Sorry I proved you wrong, try to take it like a man.
You tiny speck of shit.

 

[TJL]

Sorry I proved you wrong, try to take it like a man.
You tiny speck of shit.

How did you prove me wrong? I said him and Harden get a lot of uncontested rebounds, you know, because I actually watch the games and can see this with my eyes.

Then you learned how to look up stats, and went and found PER ratings, and all the sudden it's the end all be all?

lmfao, you're a giant fucking can.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

How did you prove me wrong? I said him and Harden get a lot of uncontested rebounds, you know, because I actually watch the games and can see this with my eyes.

Then you learned how to look up stats, and went and found PER ratings, and all the sudden it's the end all be all?

lmfao, you're a giant fucking can.

You tried to make a case against Westbrook based on your obtuse observations.
I showed how wrong you are based on matching common sense with advanced statistics.
I win.

 

[TJL]

You tried to make a case against Westbrook based on your obtuse observations.
I showed how wrong you are based on matching common sense with advanced statistics.
I win.

I said that Westbrick gets uncontested rebounds, after you, someone who obviously doesn't watch the games, attested that the rebounds he gets are somewhat meaningful to the teams success.

My point is, shut the fuck up you dolt lmao.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If only there was an advanced stat to support my contention.....wait a tick.
It's called PER, or Player efficiency rating. It's the most advanced stat in use in factoring in everything a player contributes and the net efficiency of those contributions.

#1 is Westbrook with a 30.69 PER.
#2 is Harden with a 27.83 PER.
So Westbrook is around 9.5% more efficient than the second most efficient player in The NBA this year.

The other players in consideration for MVP all rate near the top in PER..
#3 Durant 27.77 PER
#4 Leonard 27.65 PER
#5 James 26.73 PER
#6 Thomas 26.66 PER.
It's really remarkable just how well PER identifies the top candidates.

Westbrook should run away with The MVP award.

Too bad PER doesn't equal MVP.

It sometimes does but not in every case.

Derrick Rose won it in 10-11 and his PER was almost a full 4 points lower than Lebron.
Kobe won it in 07-08 and his PER was almost a full 5 points lower than Lebron.
Steve Nash won back-to-back MVP's being 14th and 18th in PER.

It also has to do a lot with the standings and Harden has boosted his team into the 3rd seed, way above projected, he also leads the league in assists.

 

[TJL]

Too bad PER doesn't equal MVP.

It sometimes does but not in every case.

Derrick Rose won it in 10-11 and his PER was almost a full 4 points lower than Lebron.
Kobe won it in 07-08 and his PER was almost a full 5 points lower than Lebron.
Steve Nash won back-to-back MVP's being 14th and 18th in PER.

It also has to do a lot with the standings and Harden has boosted his team into the 3rd seed, way above projected, he also leads the league in assists.

The guy already outed himself as someone who only looks at box scores when he said, and I quote

"Westbrooks rebounding leads to the team getting extra possessions."


When the fact is that he barely gets any offensive rebounds, 1.7 per game to be exact and most of his rebounds come off of uncontested brick shots, and the team let's him get them so they can get the offense started faster.

He wouldn't know this, because he doesn't actually watch basketball.

 

[TJL]

If Westbrook wins, it'll be the lowest FG% by a MVP winner (.425), since Bob Cousy in 1956-57

 

[TJL]

It'll also be the lowest W/S total since Steve Nash in 04/05

 

[Scapegoat]

LOL no.

So that's why everyone remembers who won the MVP the year OR averaged a triple double?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

I said that Westbrick gets uncontested rebounds, after you, someone who obviously doesn't watch the games, attested that the rebounds he gets are somewhat meaningful to the teams success.

My point is, shut the fuck up you dolt lmao.

Are you crying ?
Seriously Debbie, get a grip.
You're the loser who reacted to my factual post like a Deb with zits on prom night.

My point is extremely valid and you have very thin skin.

 

[TJL]

Are you crying ?
Seriously Debbie, get a grip.
You're the loser who reacted to my factual post like a Deb with zits on prom night.

My point is extremely valid and you have very thin skin.

No clue what the hell the pre-teen Debbie talk means.


Your point had nothing to do with the argument at hand, which is Westbrooks empty stat padding of rebounds, after you said he gets the team extra possessions because of his rebounds (he doesn't), and you don't watch the games.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

If Westbrook wins, it'll be the lowest FG% by a MVP winner (.425), since Bob Cousy in 1956-57

Work it Debbie, work it.

 

[BallsOfFurry]

No clue what the hell the pre-teen Debbie talk means.


Your point had nothing to do with the argument at hand, which is Westbrooks empty stat padding of rebounds, after you said he gets the team extra possessions because of his rebounds (he doesn't), and you don't watch the games.

The thread is about who should win MVP, that is what is at hand...Debbie.

 

[TJL]

The thread is about who should win MVP, that is what is at hand...Debbie.

My post to you, was the fact that you were lauding his rebounds, which in fact, you shouldn't because he is gift wrapped those by his teammates.

Then you brought up PER, out of nowhere, which never had anything to do with what I said.

But once again, you don't watch the games.