Ultimate fat ass choke job

[MrDoc420]

Look, we all know it, and any of us respectable fans will all give the much do props to the Seahawks teams for absolutely outplaying us in every single aspect of the game, without any question.

The only person on the Broncos that even had a respectable game was probably DT, although he did fumble too. Mannings stats weren't bad, but he didn't play well.....let's not pretend he did.

Anyways, point here is, I'd like to know what you guys think about the FA situation coming up. I know it's a hell of a long time from now, but what's done is done, and I'm curious to know who you guys would like to see back. We have decent cap room I believe, but we have some big names that are due.

 

[WalkerBoh]

The 16 Broncos who are eligible for unrestricted free agency: Decker, wide receiver; Moreno, running back; Beadles, offensive guard; Shaun Phillips, defensive end; Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, cornerback; Wesley Woodyard, linebacker; Mike Adams, safety; Robert Ayers, defensive end; Paris Lenon, linebacker; Andre Caldwell, wide receiver; Chris Kuper, offensive guard; Quentin Jammer, cornerback; Jeremy Mincey, defensive end; Michael Huff, safety; Steve Vallos, center-guard; and Winston Justice, offensive tackle.

I see Denver concentrates on keeping: DRC and Phillips. Mincey could be useful too, and should come cheap. Adams may also need strong consideration. If there's still an option for Moreno, Denver should exercise that as well. Everyone else I think is replacable. If Decker wants to dip his toes in FA, we could probably keep Caldwell cheaply. I think Bailey needs to retire. Otherwise, his role is likely reduced, and I don't want to pay him much for a reduced role. He has no intrest in moving to safety either.

I wonder if the offense bought too much into their hype. Probably is a much different game if the Offense shows up. Denver defense was getting it done for the most part in the first quarter keeping Seattle out of the endzone. Wilson had the yips early too. Too bad we had to crap the bed on offense instead of taking advantage. Denver beat themselves once again.

BTW, is it just me, or did we get screwed on that safety? I recall the officials throwing a flag for false start. I didn't think that was a penalty that could be declined. Shouldn't we instead have had the ball inside the 10? After all, on a false start, it's supposed to be a dead play, no matter what happens.

 

[JDM]

BTW, is it just me, or did we get screwed on that safety? I recall the officials throwing a flag for false start. I didn't think that was a penalty that could be declined. Shouldn't we instead have had the ball inside the 10? After all, on a false start, it's supposed to be a dead play, no matter what happens.

It wasn't false start. It was an illegal shift. Peyton was moving forward at the snap. He's allowed to move around, including forward, but he can't be moving forward when the ball is snapped, which is what happened on that play.

Illegal motion is not a dead ball foul.

 

[WalkerBoh]

It wasn't false start. It was an illegal shift. Peyton was moving forward at the snap. He's allowed to move around, including forward, but he can't be moving forward when the ball is snapped, which is what happened on that play.

Illegal motion is not a dead ball foul.

Ahhh.... That would make sense. I thought they had called false start.

 

[MrDoc420]

The very first play of the game. Shit went downhill fast right from the start SMH.

 

[Broncosr0k]

DRC and Phillips are my top two priorities. I think Champ is done regardless of what he believes. Losing him and DRC would devastate the backfield. I think we can get a WR in the draft to replace Decker if it really comes down to it. With the improvement of Ball I don't see Moreno as a must but if we can keep him for cheap I would like to.

I think going into the FA and draft our needs look like this:

Corner
MLB
DE (all around or pass rush)
Safety
WR depth
O-line depth

 

[WalkerBoh]

I hope Elway watched that whole thing and paid attention. CLOSE attention. He's in charge now of getting the pieces needed for a championship. He needs to make sure this team gets more physical, and dominates the trenches like they did in the late 90's early 2000's. We had the size to do it too. He needs to use this off season to make those changes too, otherwise the NFC West is going to eat us alive next season. We could easily go 0-4 in that division if we don't address this major shortcoming.

 

[WalkerBoh]

DRC and Phillips are my top two priorities. I think Champ is done regardless of what he believes. Losing him and DRC would devastate the backfield. I think we can get a WR in the draft to replace Decker if it really comes down to it. With the improvement of Ball I don't see Moreno as a must but if we can keep him for cheap I would like to.

I think going into the FA and draft our needs look like this:

Corner
MLB
DE (all around or pass rush)
Safety
WR depth
O-line depth

I'd take DE down a few notches on that list. I'd say goodbye to Ayres, but we still have Phillips, Mincey (who could be a diamond in the rough and would be CHEAP to keep just to see what he's got), and we have Q. Smith as well. Plus, Wolfe and Malik Jackson may still develop more. Von Miller will be back too to improve pass rush even more. So if a DE is BPA when it's time to pick, yeah, but otherwise I wouldn't call it a dire need. I'd put O-line ahead of DE in a heartbeat. We should go after DB's though. Seems we need to upgrade, and develop better on field communication.

 

[Broncosr0k]

My reasoning for DE is that there are a lot of questions around the position right now. If Wolfe can comeback from whatever he has and develop.... If Q Smith can develop his talent....If Mincey is another Pot Roast....

I might have it too high.

Outside a DBs and MLB our needs are more in the depth area and not as great. I think we really need a guy on defense that can bring some attitude.

 

[WalkerBoh]

My reasoning for DE is that there are a lot of questions around the position right now. If Wolfe can comeback from whatever he has and develop.... If Q Smith can develop his talent....If Mincey is another Pot Roast....

I might have it too high.

Outside a DBs and MLB our needs are more in the depth area and not as great. I think we really need a guy on defense that can bring some attitude.

This comes from the top and from the coaches as much if not more so than from the players.

 

[Malibu]

Champ is done people. He is washed up and needs to retire. The defense as a whole needs to be rebuilt. There LB's are terrible besides Trevethan and Miller. The secondary sucks beside D.R.C. and after Pot Roast the D line is a joke as well. Orlando Franklin is dumb as rocks and face it Clark is a backup and thats all. This team is very soft and all the points scored in the world doesnt mean shit unless you are a physical team. The offense got punched in the mouth and didnt do shit after that. The Broncos wr's would rather cry about calls then be more physical with the DB's. Holliday like Ive been saying is useless. He isnt worth the turnovers and stupid decisions to bring the ball out of the endzone. J.D.R. can leave as well. Elway has alot of decisions in this offseason thats for sure.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Champ is done people. He is washed up and needs to retire. The defense as a whole needs to be rebuilt. There LB's are terrible besides Trevethan and Miller. The secondary sucks beside D.R.C. and after Pot Roast the D line is a joke as well. Orlando Franklin is dumb as rocks and face it Clark is a backup and thats all. This team is very soft and all the points scored in the world doesnt mean shit unless you are a physical team. The offense got punched in the mouth and didnt do shit after that. The Broncos wr's would rather cry about calls then be more physical with the DB's. Holliday like Ive been saying is useless. He isnt worth the turnovers and stupid decisions to bring the ball out of the endzone. J.D.R. can leave as well. Elway has alot of decisions in this offseason thats for sure.

I don't think it is as dire as you have made it out to be. According to you we should have an all-star Madden video game team, not possible.

By your own admission Trevathan and Miller are good so our LBs need a MLB and depth (unreasonable to expect second string to be starter quality across the board).

The secondary is rough. I think we need another quality corner and possibly SS.

The D-line is not as bad as you made it out to be. Pot Roast is good, Phillips is good, Vickerson was having a good season. I think we have some young talent that could develop. (Unreasonable to expect them all to be all-star right out of college). Sly was coming on, Q Smith may add pass rush. Hopefully Wolfe can come back and contribute.

Franklin has struggled from time to time. To be honest he has been serviceable and I would rather put resources in other places than RT.

The receivers are babies. I hope they can develop a backbone in the offseason. I agree on Holliday. JDR should be kept around for another season. After the turnstyle of DC we have had I want some consistency.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Champ is done people. He is washed up and needs to retire. The defense as a whole needs to be rebuilt. There LB's are terrible besides Trevethan and Miller. The secondary sucks beside D.R.C. and after Pot Roast the D line is a joke as well. Orlando Franklin is dumb as rocks and face it Clark is a backup and thats all. This team is very soft and all the points scored in the world doesnt mean shit unless you are a physical team. The offense got punched in the mouth and didnt do shit after that. The Broncos wr's would rather cry about calls then be more physical with the DB's. Holliday like Ive been saying is useless. He isnt worth the turnovers and stupid decisions to bring the ball out of the endzone. J.D.R. can leave as well. Elway has alot of decisions in this offseason thats for sure.

Over-react much? Why not just junk the whole team and start from scratch?

There's a lot of actual talent you're writing off on the basis of a single game. The "physical" aspect you're crying for doesn't come from the players, it comes from the coaches and front office. Elway needs to come to the realization that the team needs to be more physical. He should know that. It's what helped get him his two rings. Surprises me that the two main coaches, Fox and JDR, didn't emphasize the physical more. Everywhere they went before, they had pretty physical teams. Maybe it's the Manning factor.

You take Seattle's defensive starters, give them a different HC and DC, and they're not the same defense. It's not the players, it's the Fo and the coaches.

 

[Malibu]

No its not an overreaction and yes look at other posts that Ive een saying J.D.R. is a bum. Yes I forgot about Sly I have no problem with him at all and Wolfe. Hopefully Wolfe is ok thats the main thing. If Harris can get back to the way he was playing after a serious injury I have no problem with him at all. I agree alot of it is on the coaches and there is some good young talent on this team but there are more problems with this team then some of you really want to admitt.

 

[WalkerBoh]

No its not an overreaction and yes look at other posts that Ive een saying J.D.R. is a bum. Yes I forgot about Sly I have no problem with him at all and Wolfe. Hopefully Wolfe is ok thats the main thing. If Harris can get back to the way he was playing after a serious injury I have no problem with him at all. I agree alot of it is on the coaches and there is some good young talent on this team but there are more problems with this team then some of you really want to admitt.

Here's what I see:

Strong DE talent- Jettison Ayers..... he's not up to being a starter or a backup. After that, you have Jackson, Wolfe, and Phillips (probably more LB, but still) that have proven their worth. In addition, we have Q. Smith, and Mincey could also be useful. Hard to tell with him until you get a better look. Still, I'd keep him over Ayers.

DT- Knighton was a freaking anchor for this line. Without him, our running defense is complete crap. Williams is coming into his own, and there's also Vickerson. Unrein appears to be a strong backup.

Without our strength at DL, those first couple of FG's for Seattle become TD's. With proper coaching, the defensive front can be a very dominating one. I'm starting to have my doubts JDR is that coach anymore.

DB- Rogers-Cromartie was the best CB on the squad. He has enough talent that he's a must keep. Ihenacho is young, but strong at safety. Bailey should retire, as I don't think he has much left in the tank after his injury. Before that he started showing his age. This is an area we need a lot of work on, and it includes bringing in a "QB" for the defensive secondary. That's the main thing this unit lacks is a person who can keep the remainder of the unit in line and doing what they're supposed to do. Adams is also getting old. We could use help at safety, since there's no depth there. Moore could be worth keeping.

LB- Another area that we could use some help. Trevathan and Miller are the best of this bunch (with Phillips too). After that I have my doubts. Woodyard played himself out of the lineup. Lenon is a backup at best.

O-Line- We could upgrade over Beadles. Clark I think we should offer up for trade, since he could bring some good value. For us, he's a backup, but another team hurting for a LT could bite. Franklin and Vasquez were strong, and Clady will return. Ramirez is a riddle. He sucked as a guard, but seemed to do very well as a center for the bulk of the season (last night's bad snap notwithstanding). I'd want to bring in a good college center to push at the very least. We could prolly upgrade there too.

Receivers- Let Decker go. I don't think he's worth the money, considering who we still have. The Thomases are very good. I think DT can be much more physical given proper coaching. Same with Julius. Welker is tough. There's good depth, and I think a big factor here is Manning. Maybe Elway needs to have a "heart-to-heart" with Peyton and Gase and convince them that the offense needs that physical factor too.

RB- Moreno keep if we have an option on his contract available (getting mixed info on whether we have this or not). Otherwise, Let him go if he's too expensive. Ball is young enough that he can become a better blocker, and he can be a physical runner too. Otherwise, fill in the stable with some young, hungry guys.

 

[Red_Chaos]

I wouldn't be surprised if Manning doesn't come back. I guess you guys have to wait until his checkup.

 

[WalkerBoh]

I wouldn't be surprised if Manning doesn't come back. I guess you guys have to wait until his checkup.

His "check-up" has nothing to do with it. It's simply a precaution written in the contract from when his ability to recover was unknown.

 

[MileHigh64]

Manning was quoted last night in saying that he hopes they use this loss as motivation going into next season. He certainly did not sound like a player that is contemplating retirement. He'll be back.

MH64

 

[WalkerBoh]

Manning was quoted last night in saying that he hopes they use this loss as motivation going into next season. He certainly did not sound like a player that is contemplating retirement. He'll be back.

MH64

I see..... The loss to the Ravens wasn't motivation enough I guess?

I hope Manning realizes the offense he runs needs to be more physical, or it's going to be a tough row to hoe against the NFC West next season.

 

[MileHigh64]

I see..... The loss to the Ravens wasn't motivation enough I guess?

I hope Manning realizes the offense he runs needs to be more physical, or it's going to be a tough row to hoe against the NFC West next season.

No arguments from me on that.