Trevor Linden not optimisic

[jstewismybastardson]

You're referring to the idea that if NYR trades Scott Gomez to MTL, NYR may include in the trade that they will continue to pay part of the salary for the remainder of the season or contract?

I could get behind that idea.

yes ... dont know the mechanics of it though ... if gms want it to be off-cap dollars spent what the hell is the cap for???

 

[DChero]

You're referring to the idea that if NYR trades Scott Gomez to MTL, NYR may include in the trade that they will continue to pay part of the salary for the remainder of the season or contract?

I could get behind that idea.

I think that's called Tebowing.

 

[mattola]

one that both gms and players agree on is ... picking up salary of traded players ... gms so they can throw money at their mistakes and players so they can stay in the league and not end up like Wade Redden

dont think the owners want this though

thats burkes wish isn't it

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

i would also think the players want to re-define "league-wide revenues" again since its what is used in appropriating their share of revenue

/expansion fees arent currently included and I heard mention of the rumo(u)r to fold the Coyotes again last week ... fold them and expand to Southern Ontario??? players wouldnt get there share of that half billion dollar fee

I can understand the players wanting their slice, but how to divvy that up could be tricky, since those are one-time fees. Do you spread it out over 5 years? 10? Otherwise, you're going to get an enormous spike in the cap for one season.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

thats burkes wish isn't it

yup he is the biggest proponent for it

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

yes ... dont know the mechanics of it though ... if gms want it to be off-cap dollars spent what the hell is the cap for???

It should definitely still be on-cap, but maybe in a partial fashion, similar to a buyout. GMs still get punished for their mistakes, but it still gives them the chance to move those guys around a little easier.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I can understand the players wanting their slice, but how to divvy that up could be tricky, since those are one-time fees. Do you spread it out over 5 years? 10? Otherwise, you're going to get an enormous spike in the cap for one season.

true ... but then its an enormous one time spike in owners revenue (depending on how that revenue is recognized)

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

true ... but then its an enormous one time spike in owners revenue (depending on how that revenue is recognized)

Owners would never go for it since they all need bigger jets and all, but I'd like to see that go into an escrow fund and have that money be used to cover losses on non-profitable teams.

Owners can't touch it, players can't touch it, nobody's happy and everyone's happy.

 

[Darkstone42]

I wouldn't mind seeing a limit put on contract length, like 7 years or something.

I also like the idea of picking up salary in trades. If a team trades a pricey player, offering to pick up part of the salary (and the cap room), the other team will need to give up more for that player. Assuming the competence of the GMs involved, it will all even out. It could make the deadline more exciting both for buyers and sellers.

 

[puckhead]

2. Participation at the 2014 Olympics in Sochi - Players want to go, Bettman doesn't

I'm confident this is just a straw man argument from Bettman's side... i.e. something to "grudgingly" secede in negotiation, perhaps in exchange for consideration on another point.

the Olympics is a phenomenal marketing opportunity to have the best players in the world compete in the most widely watched sporting event.

If the league is having teams play reg season games in Europe / Japan, don't tell me that he doesn't relish the opportunity to have the league's best take center stage (on the KHL's home soil, no less).

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Owners would never go for it since they all need bigger jets and all, but I'd like to see that go into an escrow fund and have that money be used to cover losses on non-profitable teams.

Owners can't touch it, players can't touch it, nobody's happy and everyone's happy.

i think the more equitable distribution would be to pick a time frame for recognizing that revenue and bump the cap for the player share for the same amount of years ... supposed to be partners arent they?

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I'm confident this is just a straw man argument from Bettman's side... i.e. something to "grudgingly" secede in negotiation, perhaps in exchange for consideration on another point.

the Olympics is a phenomenal marketing opportunity to have the best players in the world compete in the most widely watched sporting event.

If the league is having teams play reg season games in Europe / Japan, don't tell me that he doesn't relish the opportunity to have the league's best take center stage (on the KHL's home soil, no less).

yah ... i think its just a chip to play ... one side will build it up to be bigger than it really is in order to get something else

but then again the whole participation thing boils down to money too right ... the NHL is getting zip in terms of actual quantifiable revenue for letting their "assets" go away for 3 weeks at risk of injury while the IOC has this marquee revenue generator for the winter olympics ... thats something buttman needs to take up with the IOC and IIHF though ... not the players issue

 

[awaz]

the amnesty buyout IMO would benefit the game a lot.. there are a lot of salaries out there that are forcing teams to bury nhl players in the minors just because they dont play up to their salary.. souray's is up now, but he was a big one.. stuck in the minors because he wasn't worth 6 mil or whatever the oilers were paying him.. doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the NHL, redden is the same way

amnesty buyouts would increase the talent level in the league, IMO.. i'd even be for something more than that, so guys like Matt Walker (1.7 mil hit) can get a chance to play in the league again too.. the flyers wouldnt think of buying him out if they only get one..

actually, maybe what would be better than a buyout is allowing the restructuring of contracts, as long as both parties agree, but only allow it for a decrease.. gunna have to word it better than i did because that sounds awful for the players, but i mean it strictly for the guys that are being waived to the minors because they cant play up to their cap-hit.. i'm sure there are a bunch of those type guys who would gladly renegotiate to a lower hit to play in the NHL again..

 

[awaz]

I'm confident this is just a straw man argument from Bettman's side... i.e. something to "grudgingly" secede in negotiation, perhaps in exchange for consideration on another point.

the Olympics is a phenomenal marketing opportunity to have the best players in the world compete in the most widely watched sporting event.

If the league is having teams play reg season games in Europe / Japan, don't tell me that he doesn't relish the opportunity to have the league's best take center stage (on the KHL's home soil, no less).

add in the fact that a lot of russian players (OV and malkin included, i think) have already said they'd play a year in the KHL if the NHL said no to the olympics.. bettman doesn't have a leg to stand on IMO

 

[esls79]

Do what the NFL did - make this next season uncapped - then we'll have something to talk about.

 

[Darkstone42]

the amnesty buyout IMO would benefit the game a lot.. there are a lot of salaries out there that are forcing teams to bury nhl players in the minors just because they dont play up to their salary.. souray's is up now, but he was a big one.. stuck in the minors because he wasn't worth 6 mil or whatever the oilers were paying him.. doesn't mean he doesn't belong in the NHL, redden is the same way

amnesty buyouts would increase the talent level in the league, IMO.. i'd even be for something more than that, so guys like Matt Walker (1.7 mil hit) can get a chance to play in the league again too.. the flyers wouldnt think of buying him out if they only get one..

actually, maybe what would be better than a buyout is allowing the restructuring of contracts, as long as both parties agree, but only allow it for a decrease.. gunna have to word it better than i did because that sounds awful for the players, but i mean it strictly for the guys that are being waived to the minors because they cant play up to their cap-hit.. i'm sure there are a bunch of those type guys who would gladly renegotiate to a lower hit to play in the NHL again..

I agree with all of this.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

actually, maybe what would be better than a buyout is allowing the restructuring of contracts, as long as both parties agree, but only allow it for a decrease.. gunna have to word it better than i did because that sounds awful for the players, but i mean it strictly for the guys that are being waived to the minors because they cant play up to their cap-hit.. i'm sure there are a bunch of those type guys who would gladly renegotiate to a lower hit to play in the NHL again..

so the players are supposed to renegotiate their contracts if they suck but cant if they have a breakout year?

dont think theyre going for that one lol

they shouldnt be expected to have to re-negotaie their contract if they cant open them up upon having an all star year

contracts should be hono(u)red no matter what ... unless their is a mutually agreed upon buyout

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I don't like the idea of renegotiation.

Players and owners both take risks when they sign a contract, so make them both accept those risks.

 

[awaz]

so the players are supposed to renegotiate their contracts if they suck but cant if they have a breakout year?

dont think theyre going for that one lol

they shouldnt be expected to have to re-negotaie their contract if they cant open them up upon having an all star year

contracts should be hono(u)red no matter what ... unless their is a mutually agreed upon buyout

see, i told you you'd have to word it better than i did haha.. it should be a mutual thing to restructure it.. if the flyers think timonen isn't worth the 6.5 mil anymore they cant just restructure for the sake of restructuring.. i guess what would make it work how i want it to is to allow players to initiate a restructuring to decrease the salary (cap hit), not owners.. i dont wanna see guys like timonen make less money just because.. he's playing in the NHL, why would he want a new contract?

that concept is strictly for the players (redden, souray, walker, shelley (please), i'm sure there are quite a few more) who are stuck in the AHL cause of their contract.. if given the option, i would think some of them would approach management and offer to restructure? if they dont want to and they're content playing in the AHL, then so be it.. if i were in their position though i would want to restructure

 

[DChero]

Why not simply make the salary cap include minor league salaries as well? That eliminates a pretty big loophole in my opinion.