Top 32 tournament LF Henderson vs Yastrzemski

[obxyankeefan]

Top 32 players ranked by BRWAR(as of 6/18/15).

Leftfield Bracket is:

1 B Bonds 5
32 L Brock 1

16 Z Wheat 3
17 S Magee 6

8 M Ramirez 11
25 M Minoso 0

9 T Raines 11
24 J Kelley 0

4 R Henderson 14
29 J Rice 0

13 B Williams 5
20 J Medwick 2

5 C Yastrzemski 7
28 B Veach 0

12 G Goslin 8
21 J Cruz 0

3 T Williams 10
30 R White 0

14 J Burkett 3
19 B Johnson 6

6 P Rose 3
27 R Kiner 5

11 F Clarke 6
22 L Gonzalez 4

2 S Musial 10
31 H Manush 0

15 J Jackson 5
18 W Stargell 7

7 E Delahanty 4
26 J Sheckard 1

10 A Simmons 7
23 B Downing 0

1 B Bonds 9
17 S Magee 2

8 M Ramirez 4
9 T Raines 7

4 R Henderson 10
13 B Williams 0

5 C Yastrzemski 13
12 G Goslin 0

3 T Williams 10
19 B Johnson 0

27 R Kiner 8
11 F Clarke 3

2 S Musial 11
18 W Stargell 1

7 E Delahanty 4 advances on seed
10 Al Simmons 4

1 B Bonds 8
9 T Raines 1

4 R Henderson
5 C Yastrzemski

3 T Williams
27 R Kiner

2 S Musial
7 E Delahanty

1 B Bonds

 

[obxyankeefan]

Rickey Henderson Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Jim Rice and Billy Williams 24-0

Carl Yastrzemski Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Bobby Veach and Goose Goslin 20-0

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Power- Yaz wins(NOT CLOSE)
XBH%
Yaz-Career=8.3, BEST=11.9, # of 499+PA seasons above career average=10, MLB average=6.3
Rickey-Career=6.5,Best=10.8, 499+better=8, MLB average=7.2

BB-Rickey wins(not close)
BB%
Yaz-career=13.2, Best=18.3, 499+PA above average=9, MLB average=8.4
Rickey- Career=16.4,BEST=20.8, 499+PA above average=10, MLB average=8.7

SO-Yaz wins(very close)
SO%
Yaz- career=10,Best=6.2, 499+PA above average=10, MLB average=14
Rickey- Career=12.7, Best=7.5,499+PA above average=9, MLB average=15.2

Speed-Rickey Wins(NOT CLOSE)

BA-Yaz wins VERY CLOSE
Yaz-Career=.285, Best=.329, # of seasons 300 or above=6, 499+ seasons better than average=10
Rickey- Career=.279, Best=325, # of seasons 300 or above=7, 499+ seasons better than average=9

defense-Yaz wins(VERY CLOSE)
dWAR
Yaz- Career=.5, Best=2.0, seasons 1 or better=4, seasons above 0=10
rickey- Career=-3.4, best=2.0, seasons 1 or better=5, seasons above 0=13

defense longevity- Henderson wins(500 more games)
career longevity- Yaz wins(600 more PA)
# of seasons 500PA or over- Rickey=17 Yaz=20 SO Yaz wins


so clearly Yaz is the power guy vs Rickey the speed guy... I give the win to Rickey since he was a better speed guy than yaz power... Rickey's lead off skills were much better than Yaz's middle of the lineup skills since Rickey was significantly better at getting on base...

 

[calsnowskier]

Pre-analysis bias: I dread this matchup. Ricky is one of my all-time favorites. He brought everything to the table.. The greatest base stealer in the history of the game, but he was also a power threat. Yaz is one of the elites that I am not specifically familiar with. No idea where this will end.

OPS+ (Henderson/Yaz)
120 - 16/12
130 - 12/8
140 - 7/6
150 - 4/4
160 - 1/3
170 - 1/3
180 - 1/1 (189/193)

Ricky was more consistent, but Yaz had the better top seasons (156, 171, 177, 193 for Yaz vs 151, 155, 157, 189 for Ricky). Winner: Ricky (VERY close - bias probably put Ricky over the top)

I never saw Yaz play. He retired a few years before I "found" the game, so I don't remember what his D was like. I THINK Ricky was decent, but I don't remember specifically. Metrics say neither were great, but neither were a detriment, either. Tie.

oWAR7
Henderson - 47.4
Yaz - 45.8

Base stealing
Yaz stole bases, but he also got caught quite a bit. He had 6 seasons of at least 10 SBs, but only once did he have a 75% or better rate (11/1). Ricky was Ricky. Ricky consistently led the lead in CS, but even while doing that he was typically well above the 75% threshold. 3 seasons with 100+ SBs. 13 seasons with 50+. This was as not a weapon for Yaz while Ricky used this as a weapon like only 2 players in the history of the game had even come close (Cobb and Brock) and he made both of them look pedestrian by comparison.

Take speed away, and this is a VERY close comparison.

Winner: Ricky

 

[obxyankeefan]

First off OBP Henderson lead the league 1 time while Yaz lead 5 times. Yes Henderson has a.022 higher career OBP, but Yaz played his prime years in what is considered one of if the not the greatest pitching ERAs.

Yaz lead the league 4 times in OPS+ while Henderson only lead once. Overall Yaz was 3 points higher for his career.

Henderson lead in RC 6.8 to 6.3 but once again Yaz lead the league more often 4 to 1.

Yes Yaz played in 300 more games but he lead Henderson by 136 doubles and 155 Homers but trailed by 3 triples.

Speed was huge plus for Henderson.

Yaz won three batting titles while Henderson never one. Yaz also holds a .006 lead over Henderson for their careers.

Yaz won three Slugging titles to Henderson's none and holds a career lead of .043 for their careers.

Defensively I consider LF to by the position you try and hide your offensive player you want in the lineup. So IMO LF defense isn't a major factor.

Finally which player would you rather have in your clubhouse? Yaz I don't remember ever hearing anything good or bad about him as a teammate, while Henderson was always a ME FIRST player.

I think this one is closer than most of y'all are saying and let Henderson cancer on the team be my final decision maker.