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Top 32 tournament 2b Morgan vs Carew

2Baseman


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obxyankeefan

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Top 32 players ranked by BRWAR(as of 6/18/15).

2Basemen Bracket is:

1 R Hornsby 6
32 J Franco 0

16 J Gordon 1
17 J Kent 4

8 B Grich 7
25 J Evers 0

9 F Frisch 5
24 N Fox 2

4 J Morgan 12
29 D Pedroia 3

13 C Biggio 8
20 R Cano 3

5 R Carew 9
28 L Doyle 0

12 W Randolph 5
21 B Doerr 4

3 N Lajoie 12
30 C Knoblauch 0

14 J Robinson 16
19 B McPhee 1

6 C Gehringer 11
27 D Pratt 0

11 R Alomar 13
22 T Phillips 0

2 E Collins 6
31 C Childs 1

15 C Utley 8
18 B Herman 4

7 L Whitaker 8
26 B Myers 1

10 R Sandberg 13
23 T Lazzeri 2

1 R Hornsby 14
17 J Kent 0

8 B Grich 6
9 F Frisch 0

4 J Morgan 8
13 C Biggio 3

5 R Carew 10
12 W Randolph 1

3 N Lajoie 12
14 J Robinson 1

6 C Gehringer 9
11 R Alomar 3

2 E Collins13
15 C Utley 2

7 L Whitaker 5
10 R Sandberg 7

1 R Hornsby 10
8 B Grich 0

4 J Morgan
5 R Carew

3 N Lajoie
6 C Gehringer

2 E Collins
10 R Sandberg

1 R Hornsby
 

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Now they are getting really tough.

I want to vote against Carew for Cali's reasons, but there I just can not vote for Morgan over Carew. I try and look at the two players and decide which ones career I would rather have on my team. And yes I include time they spent at other positions, but if it is close I will vote for the player that played more time at the position. So I figure Carew will be gone soon, just not this time.
 

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even ignoring the games at other positions, it's easily Morgan IMO. Morgan was a much better baserunner and hit into far fewer double plays. His 72-76 is one of the greatest 5 year runs by any players.
 

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power-Morgan Wins
XBH%
Morgan-Career=7.2, Best=10.4, 499+ PA seasons better than career average=9, MLB average=6.2
Carew- Career=6.2, Best=9.8, better than average=8, MLB average=6.3

BB-Morgan Wins(NOT CLOSE)
BB%
Morgan-Career=16.5, best= 20.7, 499+ average=10, MLB average=8.4
Carew- Career=9.7, Best14.8

SO-TIE
SO%
Morgan- Career=9, Best=6.5, 499+ better average=12, MLB average=14
Carew- Career=9.7, Best=6.2, better average=10, MLB average=13.7

BA- Carew Wins (NOT CLOSE)
Morgan- Career=.271, Best=.327, 300 or better=2, better than average=10
Carew- Career=.328, Best=.388, 300 or better=

SB- Morgan Wins( NOT CLOSE)
SB(SB%)
Morgan- Career=689(81), Best=67(87),# seasons over 25 SB and 75%=11
Carew- Career=353(65), Best=49(69), # of seasons=2


Defense- Morgan Wins
dWAR
Morgan-Career=3.3, Best= 2.0, 9 seasons better 0, 3 seasons 1 or better
Carew-Career=-2.4, Best=1.1, 10 seasons better than 0, 2 seasons 1 or better

Positional longevity- Morgan wins(over 1400 more games)
Career longevity- Morgan(nearly a 1000 more PA)
# of seasons 500 or more PA- Morgan=17 Carew=14

This is not a close comparison at all and it is amazing that they are so close in WAR... The only thing Carew is better than Morgan in is BA, but they are pretty identical in OBP.... Morgan wins in a landslide...
 

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Pre-analysis bias: Carew only played 9 seasons at 2B vs Morgan's 20+. Carew would need to be pretty awesome in those years to win...

OPS+ (Morgan/Carew)
120 - 11/5
130 - 11/5
140 - 6/4
150 - 4/3
160 - 2/0 (169, 186)

I really don't need to go any further. Morgan had more impactful seasons than Carew had seasons. He also had the the better top seasons.

Morgan in a walk.
 
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