POLL Top 10 poll: #22 player ever

[calsnowskier]

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9)
2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11)
3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17)
4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8)
5) Hank Aaron (defeated Ty Cobb 17-16)
6) Ty Cobb (defeated Lou Gehrig 24-9)
7) Lou Gehrig (defeated Walter Johnson 19-10)
8) Mickey Mantle (defeated Walter Johnson 17-12)
9) Walter Johnson (defeated Stan Musial and Rogers Hornsby 18-7-3)
10) Stan Musial (defeated Rogers Hornsby 15-10)
11) Rogers Hornsby (defeated H. Wagner, R. Henderson, M. Schmidt and R. Clemens 15-4-3-2-1)
12) Honus Wagner (defeated Roger Clemens 19-8)
13) Mike Schmidt (defeated Roger Clemens 16-12)
14) Rickey Henderson (defeated Roger Clemens 17-13)
15) Roger Clemens (defeated Ken Griffey Jr 16-14)
16) Randy Johnson (defeated Tris Speaker 16-11)
17) Tris Speaker (defeated Greg Maddux 18-12)
18) Greg Maddux (defeated Albert Pujols 17-9)
19) Joe DiMaggio (defeated Albert Pujols 17-13)
20) Albert Pujols (defeated Pedro Martinez 16-14)
21) Pedro Martinez (defeated Jimmie Foxx 20-10)

Who is the #22 player ever? This poll will close Thursday AM.

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[steveringo]

Going with three Red Sox here....



Because.

 

[Clayton]

Foxx, Robinson, Bench

 

[LHG]

Updated for #20:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 3
1938 - 2
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-2000 - 5
2001-2003 - 6
2004-2007 - 5
2008 - 3
2009 - 2
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

Updated for #21:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 3
1938 - 2
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

 

[MilkSpiller22]

im still picking AROD... so my three is Arod, Foxx and Lefty...

I fully expect a foxx vs Lefty final here...

id go Lefty... i think...

 

[LHG]

Updated for #21:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 3
1938 - 2
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

There are three time periods where 5 or more players show up on this list so far:
1914-1928
1951-1960
1986-2007

The three players I'm voting for (Cy Young, Lefty Grove, Mike Trout) all fit outside of these time frames. Young only played against 4 on this list and most of that was toward the end of his career. Grove's first three years fits at the tail end of the first era but he was retired for 10 years before the second era. Trout's career started 4 years after the third era and only Pujols is the only player on this list that played at the same time.

I'm voting for them because of their careers, not where they fit within eras. Just thought I'd point out where they slot in case that plays a part in anyone's voting.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

also... Cal... you took Seaver off the list... that should not be a rotational name...

its also time to include Verlander on the list....

 

[msgkings322]

Updated for #21:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)
20) Albert Pujols (2001-2022)
21) Pedro Martinez (1992-2009)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 3
1938 - 2
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-1991 - 5
1992-2000 - 6
2001-2003 - 7
2004-2007 - 6
2008 - 4
2009 - 3
2010-2022 - 1
2023-2024 - 0

This data would look amazing in a bar chart with the x axis each year and the y axis the number of players playing that year. Would have 3 “humps” with the 1950s one slightly lower.

This is totally not me challenging you to do it though

 

[calsnowskier]

also... Cal... you took Seaver off the list... that should not be a rotational name...

its also time to include Verlander on the list....

Both of them are on the list. I spelled Seaver “O-t-h-e-r” and I spelled Verlander “O-t-h-e-r”

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Both of them are on the list. I spelled Seaver “O-t-h-e-r” and I spelled Verlander “O-t-h-e-r”

i understand what other means... but some players should not be other... Seaver is a top 10 pitcher of all time... thats not an other...

Verlander, fine... he can be an other now... but thats why i said, its time to include him...

there are the fun players you are listing that have no chance to win any time soon... at least verlander and Seaver have a chance to win relatively soon...

 

[Cedrique]

I might need a little tech support. How do I give all three votes to Griffey?

 

[calsnowskier]

i understand what other means... but some players should not be other... Seaver is a top 10 pitcher of all time... thats not an other...

Verlander, fine... he can be an other now... but thats why i said, its time to include him...

there are the fun players you are listing that have no chance to win any time soon... at least verlander and Seaver have a chance to win relatively soon...

I think there are plenty of other pitchers that deserve discussion and locked spots ahead of Seaver. I can include him, but he is not in serious consideration at 22, so I am not losing any sleep over the fact he isn’t specifically listed here.

 

[calsnowskier]

I might need a little tech support. How do I give all three votes to Griffey?

It is possible, but it is a but if a complicated process…

1) go to account settings for the site
2) click “delete account”

That will give you the ability to vote multiple times for the same player.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think there are plenty of other pitchers that deserve discussion and locked spots ahead of Seaver. I can include him, but he is not in serious consideration at 22, so I am not losing any sleep over the fact he isn’t specifically listed here.

i didnt say they were going to be voted on now... who cares aboot this vote for those 2... all i said, is it is time to include them... isnt that what other is meant for??? so you can include them in future rounds...

I was just surprised you took off Seaver, as he is much better than being on your rotation of who to include... he should be a mainstay.. but yes, he is not going to be picked here...

I will say, he is my next pitcher after Lefty... and would have voted for him over Maddux as well...

 

[LHG]

I might need a little tech support. How do I give all three votes to Griffey?

 

[calsnowskier]

i didnt say they were going to be voted on now... who cares aboot this vote for those 2... all i said, is it is time to include them... isnt that what other is meant for??? so you can include them in future rounds...

I was just surprised you took off Seaver, as he is much better than being on your rotation of who to include... he should be a mainstay.. but yes, he is not going to be picked here...

I will say, he is my next pitcher after Lefty... and would have voted for him over Maddux as well...

I think Young and Mathewson, at least, are ahead of Seaver. Maybe Gibson and Alexander and Paige (who, imho, should have been in consideration for #1 pitcher, but we just don’t have visibility to his numbers, unfortunately).

I have 8 pitchers on the list of 34 (+ other). The only “locks” are players who received noms in the previous round. Every other spot is essentially in the “rotation”. Seaver is a mainstay in the “rotation”, but he doesn’t get a spot every time unless he gets noms.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

rounds where there is a clear hitter and a clear pitcher being the top 2 choices is pretty boring... as comparing a hitter to pitcher is almost always going to be subjective...

cant wait until both Foxx and Lefty are gone... so we can actually start debating again....

 

[MilkSpiller22]

ott vs robinson will be a fun one....

 

[msgkings322]

ott vs robinson will be a fun one....

It may not go that long...

 

[calsnowskier]

ott vs robinson will be a fun one....

Start the discussion. I think they are both strong candidates to join Young and Mathewson after Foxx and Lefty are off the board.