POLL Top 10 poll #20: #20 player in history - Runoff

[calsnowskier]

Runoff for the #20 player in baseball history. Poll closes Thursday AM.

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[calsnowskier]

Imho…

Pedro
Pujols
Foxx
Young
Griffey

Pujols and Foxx are almost identical. Hard to decide between the two. Ask me again in 5 mins and I may have them swapped.

The other 3 slots are pretty solid, I think.

It is still slightly early for Griffey to make it to the runoffs, but I think he is getting really close at this point.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

i am sure this will end up with a 2nd runoff Pedro vs Pujols... id be shocked if anyone else gets enough votes...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Imho…

Pedro
Pujols
Foxx
Young
Griffey

Pujols and Foxx are almost identical. Hard to decide between the two. Ask me again in 5 mins and I may have them swapped.

The other 3 slots are pretty solid, I think.

It is still slightly early for Griffey to make it to the runoffs, but I think he is getting really close at this point.

i dont see pujols and foxx as a tie... i have pujols pretty significantly higher...

 

[calsnowskier]

Jimmie Foxx (1B) 1925 - 1942

3 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 3 top 10 MVP, 4 additional seasons with MVP votes, 9 ASG (ASG started in his age 25 season - he already had 4 MVP vote seasons at that time)

92.2, 58.1

Bold: R 1, HR 4, RBI 3, BB 2, OPS 5, TB 3

OPS+ buckets

200 - 2
180 - 4
160 - 2
140 - 4
120 - 2

Albert Pujols (1B) 2001 - 2022

3 MVP, 7 top 5 MVP, 1 top 10 MVP, 2 additional seasons with MVP votes, 11 ASG, ROY, 6 SS, 2 GG

101.5, 59.8

Bold: R 5, HR 2, RBI 1, OPS 3, TB 4, 2B 1

OPS+ buckets

200 - 0
180 - 3
160 - 4
140 - 5
120 - 2

 

[MilkSpiller22]

but i will also admit, that i had an epiphany yesterday...

i never liked WAR#s in the first place, i do use it a lot for this, just because i am too lazy to make my own stats...

but i realized something pretty big, WAR answers who is most VALUABLE... it does not answer who is best...

 

[calsnowskier]

Jimmie Foxx (1B) 1925 - 1942

3 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 3 top 10 MVP, 4 additional seasons with MVP votes, 9 ASG (ASG started in his age 25 season - he already had 4 MVP vote seasons at that time)

92.2, 58.1

Bold: R 1, HR 4, RBI 3, BB 2, OPS 5, TB 3

OPS+ buckets

200 - 2
180 - 4
160 - 2
140 - 4
120 - 2

Albert Pujols (1B) 2001 - 2022

3 MVP, 7 top 5 MVP, 1 top 10 MVP, 2 additional seasons with MVP votes, 11 ASG, ROY, 6 SS, 2 GG

101.5, 59.8

Bold: R 5, HR 2, RBI 1, OPS 3, TB 4, 2B 1

OPS+ buckets

200 - 0
180 - 3
160 - 4
140 - 5
120 - 2

WAR7 is essentially a tie.

WAR goes to Pujols

Accolades go to Pujols

OPS+ Buckets goes to Foxx

Pujols played a lot of DH, so he is DQ’d

 

[calsnowskier]

but i will also admit, that i had an epiphany yesterday...

i never liked WAR#s in the first place, i do use it a lot for this, just because i am too lazy to make my own stats...

but i realized something pretty big, WAR answers who is most VALUABLE... it does not answer who is best...

What’s the difference?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

What’s the difference?

WAR is too focused on position, we all know that it is different to be a SS than a DH, but that difference is on defense, not offense... being an all inclusive stat will always be dependent on the creators weights of a category.. and how some are measured...

defense will always be harder to calculate and be more subjective... and position bonus is even worse...

I really wish oWAR was free of position bonus, so we could really see the difference... i do wish oWAR+dWAR=WAR...

 

[calsnowskier]

Looks people have forgotten that Griffey just doesn’t belong at this level…

Ken Griffey Jr (CF) 1989 - 2010

1 MVP, 4 top 5 MVP, 2 top 10 MVP, 3 additional seasons with MVP votes, 13 ASG, 10 GG, 7 SS

83.8, 54.0

Bold: RBI - 1, HR - 4, R - 1, TB - 2

OPS+ buckets

180 - 0
160 - 3
140 - 5
120 - 4

By the numbers, Griffey should be fetching these guys’ bats and running their lunch orders.

 

[jon2tanman]

Griffey was also the best defender on this list and it's not even close.