POLL Top 10 poll #18: #18 player in history - Runoff

[calsnowskier]

Poor Yankee Clipper. First he loses Marilyn to Arthur freaking Miller and now this....

 

[Pastafazul]

Shout out to Bob Gibson

 

[Cedrique]

Fun fact that I just noticed. Joe Dimaggio averaged 10 triples a year in his 13 seasons. That's way more than I would have guessed.

 

[Cedrique]

Is there a way to select seasons that aren't in sequence on baseball reference? Asking for a friend

 

[calsnowskier]

Is there a way to select seasons that aren't in sequence on baseball reference? Asking for a friend

Nope

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Is there a way to select seasons that aren't in sequence on baseball reference? Asking for a friend

No but you can easily export it to excel. And there you can do anything.

 

[broncosmitty]

Fun fact that I just noticed. Joe Dimaggio averaged 10 triples a year in his 13 seasons. That's way more than I would have guessed.

Monument Park was in play his entire career. They brought in CF like 40 some feet in the 70’s pushing it behind the fence.

Just assuming a lot of those triples might’ve been balls that made it to the centerfield wall and bounced around.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think I'm also good with any of them. I just think that at some point Pedro's ERA+ numbers are too hard to ignore especially if we keep using it as an important stat. Maddux does have a great peak but its not as long as the other peaks on the list but Maddux is also probably the most well-rounded.

Maddux is an interesting one... before we started i thought he was very close to Clemens and Johnson, and was third... but i agree i think i am pushing Pedro over him...

 

[calsnowskier]

For me, a starter is about instilling confidence in the team behind him. And having such a long career while eating innings and still having an elite peak, Maddux is the hands down BPA.

remember, at the end of the day, a pitchers job is to record outs. And Maddux did that almost twice as well as Martinez.

Not that it matters. This battle will be Maddux v Pujols.

 

[Clayton]

For me, a starter is about instilling confidence in the team behind him. And having such a long career while eating innings and still having an elite peak, Maddux is the hands down BPA.

remember, at the end of the day, a pitchers job is to record outs. And Maddux did that almost twice as well as Martinez.

From a distance I think you can make an argument for Maddux being clearly the best but a lot of those innings he was only slightly above average. You put Pedro's best 11 years against Maddux's best 11 years and Im not really sure its close. Pujols having 12 great years and DiMaggio in the same ballpark missing 3 years of his prime (although also not having any stellar years like Pedro and Maddux). I think there was an argument for everyone but Im certainly not thinking Maddix is hands down BPA at all

 

[MilkSpiller22]

For me, a starter is about instilling confidence in the team behind him. And having such a long career while eating innings and still having an elite peak, Maddux is the hands down BPA.

remember, at the end of the day, a pitchers job is to record outs. And Maddux did that almost twice as well as Martinez.

Not that it matters. This battle will be Maddux v Pujols.

no doubt Maddux had a longer prime and once they were out of their prime Maddux was MUCH better...

But Pedro was convincingly better in their best 5 seasons... not sure if i can call the longevity better when the prime is not as close as you would think... and with tougher competition too...

 

[calsnowskier]

From a distance I think you can make an argument for Maddux being clearly the best but a lot of those innings he was only slightly above average. You put Pedro's best 11 years against Maddux's best 11 years and Im not really sure its close. Pujols having 12 great years and DiMaggio in the same ballpark missing 3 years of his prime (although also not having any stellar years like Pedro and Maddux). I think there was an argument for everyone but Im certainly not thinking Maddix is hands down BPA at all

I only see 2 seasons in Maddux’s entire career where it can even be argued where he was even in contention for being “average” (’06, ‘08), and those are 2 of his last 3 seasons. And both of those were good enough to demand a 25 - 30 M aav contract in today’s market. He constantly ate 200-250 IPs while posting a 4.00 ERA or lower. Even after his peak, he was locking down the #1 slot of a rotation for over a decade.

 

[Clayton]

I only see 2 seasons in Maddux’s entire career where it can even be argued where he was even in contention for being “average” (’06, ‘08), and those are 2 of his last 3 seasons. And both of those were good enough to demand a 25 - 30 M aav contract in today’s market. He constantly ate 200-250 IPs while posting a 4.00 ERA or lower. Even after his peak, he was locking down the #1 slot of a rotation for over a decade.

So I fully expect Pujols to go next then

All I know is that with Pedro still on the board I dont want to see any more ERA+ conversations

 

[Cedrique]

Shout out to Bob Gibson

What is this, Delilah? You wanna play a song for Bob in St. Louis?

 

[Pastafazul]

What is this, Delilah? You wanna play a song for Bob in St. Louis?

You want to drop the gloves?

 

[Cedrique]

You want to drop the gloves?

Oh I would love to!! But I can't on account of my asthma

 

[Pastafazul]

Oh I would love to!! But I can't on account of my asthma

You have to asth ma?

 

[Cedrique]

You have to asth ma?

Maybe it's lupus. I forget

 

[Pastafazul]

Maybe it's lupus. I forget

Sounds like dementia

 

[Cedrique]

Sounds like dementia

Yeah I forgot, I got that too