Tony Stewart Apparently Hits Walking Driver With Sprint Car

[mrwallace2ku]

Tell me more about how these cars do this while under caution and going 25-35mph.

I knew the answer to the question before I asked it, I just wanted pitman to say it because apparently he is the forum expert.

I never was talking about being "UNDER CAUTION" you moron...Go back to your conspiracy theories on how Tony ran the kid down with someone else and remember this...


"RUBBINS RACING...DON'T GET OUT OF YOUR CAR"

 

[Retroram52]

4d20, on my post 810, I was addressing the original suggestion post that was submitted way earlier in this thread pertaining to Tony's intent that only he really knows. Granted, some of the physical manifestions of the car's action may lend itself to interpretation of Tony's intent, but truely, the interpretation is still largely speculation. Again, the only person who knows exactly what happened that evening with the recorded behavior of the car that resulted in Kevin Ward's death still remains Tony Stewart.

 

[4down20]

I never was talking about being "UNDER CAUTION" you moron...Go back to your conspiracy theories on how Tony ran the kid down with someone else and remember this...


"RUBBINS RACING...DON'T GET OUT OF YOUR CAR"

I know you weren't talking about being under caution, which were the race conditions when the incident happened.

Thus why I said - either you didn't realize the race was under caution when it happened, OR you didn't know what you were talking about.

 

[4down20]

4d20, on my post 810, I was addressing the original suggestion post that submitted way earlier in this thread pertaining to Tony's intent that only he really knows. Granted, some of the physical manifestions of the car's action may lend itself to interpretation of Tony's intent, but truely, the interpretation is still largely speculation. Again, the only person who knows exactly what happened that evening with the recorded behavior of the car that resulted in Kevin Ward's death still remains Tony Stewart.

I agree that only Tony knows what his intent was, but as Ward's father pointed out - he's facing 10 years in prison so he's not going to say.

I personally don't believe Tony meant to kill or hurt him. But I find the incident to be 100% consistent with what drivers do when they want to brush/sling mud on someone. It also seems clear that the actions Tony took are directly responsible for the end result.

It's my opinion yes, but it's not without merit.

 

[FSUmanager]

Damn you all are still arguing this shit? Let's be completely honest both Ward and Stewart were at fault. Ward for getting out of his car when he was not in danger of being injured by sitting in it AND walking towards the other cars. All to give Stewart a big FU. Stewart for trying to scare someone and show him his place being only 20 or so.

And none of the posts mean shit. Only the investigators opinions matter in the end.

 

[nolehusker]

You can speculate on his intent, my previous post was not speculation.

It's a fact that Tony Stewart fish tailed his car right before hitting him.

It's a fact that when the rear end swings out, it creates a bigger radius for the car in relation to the turn/line(thus why the front wheels didn't hit him).

It's a fact that Tony Stewart speed up right before hitting him.

It's a fact that both of those actions gave Ward less time to move and get out of the way.

You left out a fact. The fact that the car in front of Tony almost hit Ward.

Also, we don't know if Tony even saw Ward until the last second. If that were the case maybe he hit the gas out of reaction. And from the video you cannot tell if Tony fish tailed before he hit Ward. You only see his car kick sideways after he hits him because his whole car is not in the frame.

 

[Runeman]

Given the banking and the curve of the track, I suspect Stewart saw that guy from a long way off and decided to dust him with some track mud. Stewart is one of the best and certainly has the eye/hand coordination to go low and completely miss Ward. Proving what was in his head is a little difficult so I think he gets off, however the racing community will have their own opinion and it wouldn't surprise me to see Stewart not a welcome person inside the racing community.

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

All speculation. No one knows what Tony saw or thought, but Tony. Was he checking his gauges? Was he making adjustments? Was he simply scratching his balls?

Yep there's a HUGE field of view there out the front.

And another HUGE field of vision out the right side.

No chance that he could not have seen him until the last minute?

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Well, like pointed out before......that wing on the right can't be used as an excuse because if he didn't see him until the last second then it was simply because he didn't see him out of the front of the car.

If the wing was blocking him from seeing him then he wouldn't have ever seen at all. If he saw him at the very last second then he either saw him through the front of the car or he was able to perform X-ray vision through the wing.

That wing just simply can't be an excuse. I am very much willing to accept the idea that he maybe just didn't see him out of the front of the car however.

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

Well, like pointed out before......that wing on the right can't be used as an excuse because if he didn't see him until the last second then it was simply because he didn't see him out of the front of the car.

If the wing was blocking him from seeing him then he wouldn't have ever seen at all. If he saw him at the very last second then he either saw him through the front of the car or he was able to perform X-ray vision through the wing.

That wing just simply can't be an excuse. I am very much willing to accept the idea that he maybe just didn't see him out of the front of the car however.

You've never caught something out of the corner of your eye or your peripheral vision at the last moment and by the time you realize something was there, you're already past it? This happens to me a lot with deer on the side of the road. I'll just catch a glimpse of it as I'm passing it without being able to identify it. I just know something is out of place. Stop the truck or look back and see the deer on the side of the road or in the ditch eating.

 

[4down20]

All speculation. No one knows what Tony saw or thought, but Tony. Was he checking his gauges? Was he making adjustments? Was he simply scratching his balls?

Yep there's a HUGE field of view there out the front.

And another HUGE field of vision out the right side.

No chance that he could not have seen him until the last minute?

I'm a former M1A1 tank driver. I drove that 70 ton monster while looking out 3 slits which were about the size of a rear view mirror in most cars. I was completely blind to my left and right sides, and I often times had a turret and gun tube over the top of me.

And... it was not at all hard to see things around me and to the front of me. In fact, I was able to spot things like barb wire on the ground in time to slam on the brakes and stop while driving across a field with grass full speed(about 40mph).

I drove down into creek beds and then back up the other side, which requires a technique of knowing exactly when not to hit the gas and when to hit the gas in order to carry the momentum up the other side.

I drove through forests in such a manner dodging "enemy fire" (laser tag with tanks for training) to the point where I had a reporter lady who had gotten on my tank prior to the mission demand to be let out in the middle of it because he was scared shitless.

Again, out of 3 mirrors in front. You can see them in the picture below.

While it may look small as you are on the outside looking in, it's quite a bit different on the inside looking out. Your mind/eyes adjust to things and it's not a big deal at all. Sorta like when you are watching a small TV. You get into the TV show and you don't even notice the size anymore.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

You've never caught something out of the corner of your eye or your peripheral vision at the last moment and by the time you realize something was there, you're already past it? This happens to me a lot with deer on the side of the road. I'll just catch a glimpse of it as I'm passing it without being able to identify it. I just know something is out of place. Stop the truck or look back and see the deer on the side of the road or in the ditch eating.

This is totally what I'm saying.

He may have caught him out of the corner of his eye, but if the wing was in the way then the wing was in the way. Can't see through the wing.

If he caught him at the last second, he had to see him out of the front of the car.

 

[4down20]

If the right wing as blocking his view of him and he didn't see him, then he wasn't in a position to get hit as the car would have driven right by him.

 

[dirtboy068]

something that doesn't make sense with the NOT SEEING HIM argument.

1. the race was under CAUTION.. what does caution mean??

2. so tony drove up AND DIDN'T PAY ONE BIT OF ATTENTION TO THE ACCIDENT SCENE

3. race car drivers are VERY AWARE OF PEOPLE on the track under caution.



i find that very had to believe he didn't see him.

 

[dirtboy068]

still waiting for another video with a wider or different angle.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

something that doesn't make sense with the NOT SEEING HIM argument.

1. the race was under CAUTION.. what does caution mean??

2. so tony drove up AND DIDN'T PAY ONE BIT OF ATTENTION TO THE ACCIDENT SCENE

3. race car drivers are VERY AWARE OF PEOPLE on the track under caution.



i find that very had to believe he didn't see him.

It seems very hard to believe for me as well.

Then add on top of that the likelihood of him reacting the way he did. A driver like Tony Stewart going, "OH SHIT! I BETTER PUNCH THE GAS OR SOMETHIN!"

But, like I said, I need to see another angle......and Tony Stewart is the only one who actually knows.

 

[The Crimson King]

something that doesn't make sense with the NOT SEEING HIM argument.

1. the race was under CAUTION.. what does caution mean??

2. so tony drove up AND DIDN'T PAY ONE BIT OF ATTENTION TO THE ACCIDENT SCENE

3. race car drivers are VERY AWARE OF PEOPLE on the track under caution.



i find that very had to believe he didn't see him.

some people are going as far as saying Stewart didn't know the race was under caution

 

[trojanfan12]

This is totally what I'm saying.

He may have caught him out of the corner of his eye, but if the wing was in the way then the wing was in the way. Can't see through the wing.

If he caught him at the last second, he had to see him out of the front of the car.

You don't think it's possible that Stewart saw him out the front of his car when he moved from in front of the #45 car and then continued up the track to where he was no longer in front of Stewarts car, but was to the right of it?

Perhaps he saw Ward at first, then as Ward kept moving and Stewart continued on the track, Ward moved to where Stewart could no longer see him. Stewart may have then tried to maneuver his car to avoid where he thought Ward likely was.

It was also said awhile back that Ward may have hit or touched Stewarts right wing. Was that ever determined to be true or not? Doing that would have put him in line with the right tire.


Too bad there doesn't appear to be video from the right side of Stewart's car.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

You don't think it's possible that Stewart saw him out the front of his car when he moved from in front of the #45 car and then continued up the track to where he was no longer in front of Stewarts car, but was to the right of it?

Perhaps he saw Ward at first, then as Ward kept moving and Stewart continued on the track, Ward moved to where Stewart could no longer see him. Stewart may have then tried to maneuver his car to avoid where he thought Ward likely was.

It was also said awhile back that Ward may have hit or touched Stewarts right wing. Was that ever determined to be true or not? Doing that would have put him in line with the right tire.

I think anything is possible, as long as he saw him out of the front.

I don't know why people keep bringing the right wing into the conversation. It's like people are arguing that the right wing was in the way the whole time and then at the last second there was a tiny crack in the wing that Stewart was able to see him through.

 

[trojanfan12]

some people are going as far as saying Stewart didn't know the race was under caution

The crew guy from the #45 car said also said that Stewart may not have known it was under caution. Apparently, there are no spotters in Sprint car like they have in NASCAR.