Tony Stewart Apparently Hits Walking Driver With Sprint Car

[Edisto_Tiger]

Just for the record, I love all ya'll. Fuck Tony. And I'm out.

 

[Chewbaccer]

I couldn't stand Kyle Busch at one point(the point where he sent Harvick's unmanned car spinning down pit road at Darlington a couple years ago) But he doesn't really bother me anymore in the Cup Series.

 

[WizardHawk]

So your position is proven because of what Pitman "thinks", but mine isn't.

Interesting.

I said anything is proven? Interesting. I said YOU can't prove he either a) saw him or b) went on a line to scare or intimidate him.

And btw, if Tony hit the gas to turn left - how come his car went further to the right instead of the left?

His car went right after hitting him. It went SHARPLY right at the time it hit him. Those who have seen the reverse angle say the kid was tied up in the wheel and actually got driven over. I'm no expert on driving, but I'm sure that could cause a sudden turn.

The notion that Stewart didn't see him is just plain absurd.

The notion that YOU know what he did see is absurd.

The view is restricted in the sides, not the front.

And he was coming out of a turn so there wasn't much of a chance to see straight at him.

Well you could argue that, but you'd be wrong. He obviously wanted to let Stewart know he was mad.

You do seem to be an expert on this situation and all things driving. Which car do you drive for again?

Instead of telling us Pitman is wrong in how these cars work at pace, how about asking HIM for clarification on that since he has DRIVEN THESE SAME CARS and his kid still does. Have YOU ever driven a sprint car?

People are saying Stewart was driving too high to have been on a normal line, but the only time I can measure where he was based on the camera only coming back to see him just at the collision point is where the nose of his car was AFTER it jumped to the right after it hit Ward. Hardly proof he was taking a line at him. Ward steps back up the track slightly to avoid the car in front of Stewart and then back down again toward Stewart's line. He was CLEARLY walking INTO that line and got hit.

 

[pabartl787]

I couldn't stand Kyle Busch at one point(the point where he sent Harvick's unmanned car spinning down pit road at Darlington a couple years ago) But he doesn't really bother me anymore in the Cup Series.

Kyle was driving like a pissed off teenager today.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Kyle was driving like a pissed off teenager today.

I missed that part of the race, had to tend to an overheating 88 Toyota pickup, just saw the clips they showed later on. He has a temper, and has some growing up to do. The feud between him and Harvick is over, so he doesn't bother me anymore though.

 

[Cobrabit]

I'd be willing to listen, but if you are going to make the same claims as others then you are right, it won't make a difference.

Okay, I will not get into the physics or 'intent' of Stewart.

My post regarding the futile attempt in arguing with ignorance is just that......not a single one of us reading this thread know anything but opinion of what they think happened. As many of you have pointed out, the video is inconclusive from the angles presented thus far and trying to claim any malicious intent of Stewart is ludicrous. Trying to bring up his reputation in previous incidents have no bearing on the facts.

Here is what we do know as fact:

A preliminary investigation that includes law enforcement and experts have concluded that based upon the evidence presented thus far (i.e. - the video we all agree to be inconclusive), that Stewart will not be charged. if the police receive further evidence that can lead to charges, then certainly they would take Stewart into custody.

This is the only fact so far. The rest is conjecture and in my opinion, it is stupid to know without a doubt that your opinion is 100% correct and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. This opinion of mine reaches far beyond this thread and one of the reasons you do not see me arguing with trolls.

If I were to lean one way regarding this particular case, I think it's pretty telling that the experts in the field are in no way condemning Stewart the way so many in this thread are doing without any fact to back up their opinion.

 

[Smart]

In a civil trial, experts will break down where Ward was standing, where Tony normally makes that turn, and when Tony would have seen him. I'm not going to claim to be a complete expert here, but I have seen many races, including sprint car races. I find it very hard to believe that Tony normally takes a turn that wide on caution, and that a person who can get within inches of the wall at 180 MPH couldn't avoid getting that close to Ward at 30 MPH.

But in the end, that's just an educated hunch. At a civil trial (if Stewart doesn't settle to make it go away), a jury of 12 will likely hear a couple of days of testimony. I'm sure that they'll do a better job of sorting out the truth than we will. I just think it's insane to think that there is zero chance that Tony tried to scare him. You can think Ward acted idiotically, but if Tony intentionally tried to scare him by making him apprehend physical contact, the law says he owes money.

 

[trojanfan12]

I said anything is proven? Interesting. I said YOU can't prove he either a) saw him or b) went on a line to scare or intimidate him.

His car went right after hitting him. It went SHARPLY right at the time it hit him. Those who have seen the reverse angle say the kid was tied up in the wheel and actually got driven over. I'm no expert on driving, but I'm sure that could cause a sudden turn.

The notion that YOU know what he did see is absurd.

And he was coming out of a turn so there wasn't much of a chance to see straight at him.

You do seem to be an expert on this situation and all things driving. Which car do you drive for again?

Instead of telling us Pitman is wrong in how these cars work at pace, how about asking HIM for clarification on that since he has DRIVEN THESE SAME CARS and his kid still does. Have YOU ever driven a sprint car?

People are saying Stewart was driving too high to have been on a normal line, but the only time I can measure where he was based on the camera only coming back to see him just at the collision point is where the nose of his car was AFTER it jumped to the right after it hit Ward. Hardly proof he was taking a line at him. Ward steps back up the track slightly to avoid the car in front of Stewart and then back down again toward Stewart's line. He was CLEARLY walking INTO that line and got hit.

Dude, don't you get it? It's 4d20. He's an expert on everything and doesn't need to have ever driven one of these cars to know more about them than those who have. He really is that smart. Just ask him. You'll see.

 

[dirtboy068]

In a civil trial, experts will break down where Ward was standing, where Tony normally makes that turn, and when Tony would have seen him. I'm not going to claim to be a complete expert here, but I have seen many races, including sprint car races. I find it very hard to believe that Tony normally takes a turn that wide on caution, and that a person who can get within inches of the wall at 180 MPH couldn't avoid getting that close to Ward at 30 MPH.

But in the end, that's just an educated hunch. At a civil trial (if Stewart doesn't settle to make it go away), a jury of 12 will likely hear a couple of days of testimony. I'm sure that they'll do a better job of sorting out the truth than we will. I just think it's insane to think that there is zero chance that Tony tried to scare him. You can think Ward acted idiotically, but if Tony intentionally tried to scare him by making him apprehend physical contact, the law says he owes money.

THAT'S exactly what happened. been around racing too long and SEEN it too many times to know that's what almost certainly happened. drivers call it a blow or brush him up a little.

 

[williewilliejuan]

THAT'S exactly what happened. been around racing too long and SEEN it too many times to know that's what almost certainly happened. drivers call it a blow or brush him up a little.

You should call the police conducting the investigation. I'm sure once they've heard your story, Stewart will be arrested within the hour. Think they'll go for the death penalty?

 

[DJ Fieri]

He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law imo. The intimidation BS was a dick move.

 

[williewilliejuan]

He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law imo. The intimidation BS was a dick move.

Objection!

Assumes facts not in evidence.

 

[dirtboy068]

Okay, I will not get into the physics or 'intent' of Stewart.

My post regarding the futile attempt in arguing with ignorance is just that......not a single one of us reading this thread know anything but opinion of what they think happened. As many of you have pointed out, the video is inconclusive from the angles presented thus far and trying to claim any malicious intent of Stewart is ludicrous. Trying to bring up his reputation in previous incidents have no bearing on the facts.


Here is what we do know as fact:

A preliminary investigation that includes law enforcement and experts have concluded that based upon the evidence presented thus far (i.e. - the video we all agree to be inconclusive), that Stewart will not be charged. if the police receive further evidence that can lead to charges, then certainly they would take Stewart into custody.

This is the only fact so far. The rest is conjecture and in my opinion, it is stupid to know without a doubt that your opinion is 100% correct and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. This opinion of mine reaches far beyond this thread and one of the reasons you do not see me arguing with trolls.

If I were to lean one way regarding this particular case, I think it's pretty telling that the experts in the field are in no way condemning Stewart the way so many in this thread are doing without any fact to back up their opinion.

let me get to the first bold.

really? explain more please, this IS NOT THE FIRST DRIVER HE HAS HIT WITH A CAR



second bold.

that being said NO ONE IS RUNNING to his defense either. here's something very telling by fellow competitor NASCAR Kasey Kahne . keep in mind kasey has driven and owns sprint cars. he said something on the lines to a ESPN reporter before the race " i dont know how this could have happened it doesn't make any sense it was a caution not a red flag so you drive around and see whats going on."

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

 

[Chewbaccer]

He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law imo. The intimidation BS was a dick move.

I strongly disagree.

 

[Grue]

I never liked Jeff Gordon before, but my hatred for him came from that day when he didn't even acknowledge us.

Did you ask him, "do you know who I AM?"

 

[dirtboy068]

He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law imo. The intimidation BS was a dick move.

its going to be very very hard to prove that

 

[4down20]

I can't stand Kyle Petty, but during my lifetime, he's never been relevant enough on the track to hate him as a driver. I never watched Richard Race, he was before my time, but I like him as a historical figure.

I hate Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson

I dislike Carl Edwards, Denny Hamlin and Kasey Kahne

I like Kevin Harvick, Tony Stewart, Kurt Busch, Ryan Newman, Austin Dillon and Paul Menard

The rest I'm pretty well indifferent to. I could never hate Dale Jr, but at the same time I've never been a big fan either.

Kyle Petty tried to kill Davey Allison. I have nothing for him.

Dale Jr is my favorite driver. I've had the privilege of meeting him online and being able to race with him a good bit. He was such a humble person and a likeable person even outside the spotlight. I didn't really choose to make him my favorite driver, at times I wanted to beat him so badly online. But I couldn't help myself from pulling for him even when he wasn't doing well. Funny enough, I raced with the #20 back then because of....

I raced with Martin Truex Jr a good bit as well. Mostly right before he got a cup ride. I don't care for him at all, he was a spoiled brat who cried constantly when things didn't go his way. I've seen that boy totally melt down because his car blew up online in a fixed setup race.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Did you ask him, "do you know who I AM?"

I was a kid. We just moved on and had pleasant experiences with guys like Ricky Rudd and Dale Jarrett.

If it would have happened now, I would have spit some baccer juice in his general direction and gave him the number 1 sign.

 

[4down20]

Mine are:
Carl Edwards (mostly from sending Brad K flying at Atlanta for no reason)
Kyle Busch
Denny Hamlin (complete hypocrite)

I don't mind Kyle Busch. I love his passion and he's a damn good racer. I understand why people hate him, but he reminds me of a young Dale Sr - but not as cool headed.