tOfficial 2015 NBA Draft/Free Agency Thread

[gordontrue]

His words/answers mean nothing because the fact that Tristan turned down 52M early last season and 80M if that report is accurate, last month, says it all.

That gamble would've paid off with or without LeBron endorsing signing him. TT played well enough that many teams would pay him more than what he turned down last year... especially if he becomes an UFA next season.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

lol. exactly.

what you think he was going to be like "Whatever- the guy was the 2nd best player on our team during the playoffs- but whatever happens happens- we resigned Love to a 5 year deal- who cares whath appens after that?" lol

Why can't he say something like "most avarage players are forced to play out their rookie contracts without extensions because that is why they are created".
"Let him prove his worth for another full season and then see what market value is at that point".
"We/ (Cavs) can offer him the most, but he should be able to weigh his options like I have during my FA and then make the best decision for himself"

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

That gamble would've paid off with or without LeBron endorsing signing him. TT played well enough that many teams would pay him more than what he turned down last year... especially if he becomes an UFA next season.

If you assume he makes that gamble.
I don't.
He had no clue injuries would occur or his role would increase.
52M would have looked real good to any player in his shoes at that time.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

isnt this bascially the same EXACT FREAKING thing Rich Paul did with Bledsoe last year? But LeBron was on the Suns- thats why the Bledsoe deal got done- Paul told LeBron to leave the Suns if they didnt pay Bledsoe, lol.

unreal.

Its a great point Gordon - RP did the SAME exact thing with Bledsoe last year.

Did anyone on the Suns have a secret meeting with James on their plane promising him the world if he would come to their team?

I didn't think so.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That gamble would've paid off with or without LeBron endorsing signing him. TT played well enough that many teams would pay him more than what he turned down last year... especially if he becomes an UFA next season.

thats the thing- the rest is just noise.

If the Cavs dont pay him- someone else will- and someone else is going to give him AT LEAST 15M - if not more a year , considering where the cap is going. Other teams watched him during the playoffs- and other teams are going to HAVE to spend money to hit the salary cap floor and there are only so many free agents to go around.

thats the real leverage he has. To be honest the rest really doesnt matter that much.

 

[trojanfan12]

you think any guy wouldnt say that if a major free agent wasnt signed on your team? If you asked Kobe Bryant what teams priority was if Gasol was a free agent- he would say- the teams priority right now is bringing back Pau Gasol.

Did you watch the playoffs? Thompson was arguably the 2nd best Cav throughout the entire playoffs. Of COURSe its a priority to bring back a guy that played his ass off and helped the Cavs over-achieve to get to game 6 of the NBA Finals.

If you would have asked me- or pretty much ANYONE in February or March- that if the Cavs lost Love and had Kyrie hobbled- if they would get to game 6 of the NBA Finals the answer would obviously be no. Tristan Thompson was a humongous part of what the CAvs got done last year- and he is only continuing to get better. In what world would signing him- (AFTER the Love deal got done) not be the teams #1 priority? I mean- once Love and Kyrie are in the fold- the next most important player in my opinion is Thompson- and he proved that over and over again in the playoffs.

Are you really this blind? Don't answer that. It's rhetorical. We all know that you really are this blind. TT was the 2nd best player because Love and Kyrie were out. If Love and/or Kyrie had stayed healthy and/or TT wasn't one of Lebron's "boys," TT is already re-signed for a lot less.

TT definitely stepped up when he had the opportunity, but he really didn't provide much more in the playoffs than he did in the regular season. His scoring increased by about a point per game and his rebounds by about 2 per game. In other words, about the increase in production that one would expect from the 10 extra minutes he played per game. He was also an abortion at the free throw line. So, the Cavs are going to be paying max or close to max money for a guy that they can't play at the end of games. Let's not pretend that he suddenly started averaging 18ppg and 12rpg.

If the Cavs are completely healthy, TT is, at best, their 6th man and the Cavs are looking at paying him as much as $18.8 million. If this were any other team in the league, you'd be on here posting 2500 word sonnets about how stupid that is.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

thats the thing- the rest is just noise.

If the Cavs dont pay him- someone else will- and someone else is going to give him AT LEAST 15M - if not more a year , considering where the cap is going. Other teams watched him during the playoffs- and other teams are going to HAVE to spend money to hit the salary cap floor and there are only so many free agents to go around.

thats the real leverage he has. To be honest the rest really doesnt matter that much.

He has ZERO offers that I know of and if a team decided to, then the Cavs could match.


And, the Cavs have Birds rights and can offer the most next year, regardless of what you say..
If he wants to stay, he stays, if he wants to leave..it's his right as a FA.

The ONLY reason to grossly overpay him (considering tax hit) right now is the power of James. PERIOD.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yeah. I actually think that the more firmly LeBron was in either side of the camp... the sooner TT would get signed. The longer it goes... the more convinced I am that LeBron is letting them work it out. I'm just guessing, like all of us are... but its what makes sense to me.

Again, what he says publicly doesn't mean anything in the negotiation. What matters is what he's saying to the FO and Rich Paul and TT behind the scenes. Its not like he put out a press release... he was answering a reporter's questions... how else is he going to answer that question?

I understand your point in the first paragraph. Pretty much disagree with the second. What he says publicly does matter in the negotiation because it's Lebron and he has unprecedented power within the organization. By stating that re-signing TT is the top priority, it puts pressure on Gilbert and bolsters TT's case.

Basically, Lebron is playing both sides against the middle. He can apply pressure to Gilbert, but still say "I wasn't involved" because he wasn't in the room.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He has ZERO offers that I know of and if a team decided to, then the Cavs could match.


And, the Cavs have Birds rights and can offer the most next year, regardless of what you say..
If he wants to stay, he stays, if he wants to leave..it's his right as a FA.

The ONLY reason to grossly overpay him (considering tax hit) right now is the power of James. PERIOD.

are you really this dumb? the reason to "grossly" overpay him- is that the Cavs have no way of replacing him- and he is a very important part of the team and has said he will leave. lol.

unreal.

then again- as a Heat fan- who saw Arison go cheap on the roster after the big 3- I can see where your viewpoint comes from.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

are you really this dumb? 1. the reason to "grossly" overpay him- is that the Cavs have no way of replacing him- 2. and he is a very important part of the team and has said he will leave. lol.

3. unreal.

4. then again- as a Heat fan- who saw Arison go cheap on the roster after the big 3- I can see where your viewpoint comes from.

1. Well, at least you now admit they traded away all of their assets and have no cap space.

2. Lot's of players "say things". Not many walk away though from the highest offer, which the Cavs can make.

3. Unreal you are assuming that despite all the numbers and facts posted about his game, that teams will be lining up to offer him that type of money next year.

4.Then again, everyone here can see you are totally clueless. Arison never let a player walk who mattered on the roster. EVER.

 

[WiggyRuss]

trjoan, just fyi- had another real estate research project-

this one on dual agency disclosure forms. Their is case law out there that states if you do not disclose dual agency- even if it is just another member of your brokerage company- then you can forfeit your commission on the deal- and the form HAS to be given to the purchaser and seller BEFORE any terms are presented etc. - you cant cure after the fact....

interesting stuff...

 

[trojanfan12]

are you really this dumb? the reason to "grossly" overpay him- is that the Cavs have no way of replacing him- and he is a very important part of the team and has said he will leave. lol.

unreal.

then again- as a Heat fan- who saw Arison go cheap on the roster after the big 3- I can see where your viewpoint comes from.

No one is saying that the Cavs don't have to overpay him. They are saying that they are grossly overpaying him because of Lebron's power in the organization.

Lebron has the Cavs bidding against themselves for Thompson. TT is a restricted FA, meaning the Cavs can match any offer. Who offered TT $18.8 million? Heck, who offered him $14-15 million?

With his skills, TT is worth $12 million per year at best as the starting PF for another franchise. Instead, because of Lebron's power in the organization, he's about to be paid in the neighborhood of $15-19 million to be a backup.

If the Cavs just signed him for the $12 million that he could get as a starter someplace else, they would still be overpaying him, just not by as ridiculous an amount as they are apparently going to.

 

[trojanfan12]

trjoan, just fyi- had another real estate research project-

this one on dual agency disclosure forms. Their is case law out there that states if you do not disclose dual agency- even if it is just another member of your brokerage company- then you can forfeit your commission on the deal- and the form HAS to be given to the purchaser and seller BEFORE any terms are presented etc. - you cant cure after the fact....

interesting stuff...

Yeah. There is more and more emphasis being placed on disclosures. Out here, we're being told "when in doubt......disclose anything and everything." Dual agency can be a particularly sticky one because the agent/brokerage is representing both the buyer and seller. Puts the agent/brokerage at cross purposes with themselves. In California, we have a separate form that is used and must be signed by the buyer, seller and agent. Sounds like the same is true in Ohio.

Even information that comes up in the course of a "casual conversation" has to be disclosed. I have some friends that are going to be selling their home in about 6 months to a year and they want me to sell it for them. We were talking one day and they mentioned that they had looked into getting solar panels. They told me that when the company came out and checked their roof, they said it was too brittle and they'd have to get that fixed before they could put the panels on. This, even though the roof has never leaked and doesn't currently have any leaks.

I said "I wish you hadn't told me that. Now, if you don't get it fixed, I will have to disclose that I know the roof needs/will need work."

 

[Heatles84]

As you saw first hand- if the price of keeping LeBron happy results in going from the Finals to the Lotto- and from the Lotto to the Finals- and making millions upon millions in the process....then I am sure glad we have an owner that is not afraid to pay

So why again is Thompson not paid yet?

 

[WiggyRuss]

No one is saying that the Cavs don't have to overpay him. They are saying that they are grossly overpaying him because of Lebron's power in the organization.

Lebron has the Cavs bidding against themselves for Thompson. TT is a restricted FA, meaning the Cavs can match any offer. Who offered TT $18.8 million? Heck, who offered him $14-15 million?

With his skills, TT is worth $12 million per year at best as the starting PF for another franchise. Instead, because of Lebron's power in the organization, he's about to be paid in the neighborhood of $15-19 million to be a backup.

If the Cavs just signed him for the $12 million that he could get as a starter someplace else, they would still be overpaying him, just not by as ridiculous an amount as they are apparently going to.

ROBIN LOPEZ just got 14 million dollars a year and Enes Kanter just got almost 18 million dollars a year. On the open market- ESPECIALLY NEXT YEAR- when the cap goes up even more- for you think that the most Tristan would get paid by a team that is not the Cavs is 12 million is completely assinine in my opinion. Just look at the market for other similarly situated players. Its that easy. "Market" wise- Tristan I believe would get non-Cavs offers next year when 20 teams have cap room (rather than 2 right now- the Sixers- who have no need for big men- and the Blazers- who arent close to contention)- would get at LEAST 4 years 60 million.

Thats why I think 5 years 80 is very very appropriate. Anything over 5 years 80 and I think Thompson is really really pushing the envelope and possibly overplaying his leverage.

then again- at this point it really does not matter- as i said- the Harden thing went down to the day before the season started if i remember correctly. As long as everything is done by training camp its just the process of restricted free agency playing itself out.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So why again is Thompson not paid yet?

because he wants a max deal of 5 years 94 and the Cavs dont think he is worth a max deal of 5 years 94- and the Cavs are trying to use what the leverage that they have due to him being a restricted free agent.

 

[Heatles84]

Relevant Amico tweet from 15 minutes ago:

LOL at taking anything he says to the media seriously. Like he's blatantly going to say in public that he's trying to get Thompson paid. I surely do not know what's going behind the scenes, but I don't fall for this BS like some do on this forum.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

because he wants a max deal of 5 years 94 and the Cavs dont think he is worth a max deal of 5 years 94- and the Cavs are trying to use what the leverage that they have due to him being a restricted free agent.

Really?

The Cavs have NO the leverage, because of James and his annual opt outs.
If James was signed for multiple years this would have already ended.

It would go something like this: " if you don't except X amount by X day, we are pulling the offer and are giving you the UFA amount".

 

[trojanfan12]

ROBIN LOPEZ just got 14 million dollars a year and Enes Kanter just got almost 18 million dollars a year. On the open market- ESPECIALLY NEXT YEAR- when the cap goes up even more- for you think that the most Tristan would get paid by a team that is not the Cavs is 12 million is completely assinine in my opinion. Just look at the market for other similarly situated players. Its that easy. "Market" wise- Tristan I believe would get non-Cavs offers next year when 20 teams have cap room (rather than 2 right now- the Sixers- who have no need for big men- and the Blazers- who arent close to contention)- would get at LEAST 4 years 60 million.

Thats why I think 5 years 80 is very very appropriate. Anything over 5 years 80 and I think Thompson is really really pushing the envelope and possibly overplaying his leverage.

then again- at this point it really does not matter- as i said- the Harden thing went down to the day before the season started if i remember correctly. As long as everything is done by training camp its just the process of restricted free agency playing itself out.

Last I checked, Robin Lopez and Enes Kanter are starters and their backups aren't being paid max or near max money. Thompson is a backup and even worse, he's a backup at a position where the Cavs are already paying the starter max money. If the Cavs pay Thompson what he's demanding, they will have nearly $40 million dollars tied up in 1 position.

It's probably okay for now because the Cavs have their roster set and they are trying to get a title before their window begins to seriously close (most likely after next season). But it will likely hamstring them in the future when they are trying to keep up with other teams who have been able to improve their teams every year while the Cavs are forced to stand pat.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Last I checked, Robin Lopez and Enes Kanter are starters and their backups aren't being paid max or near max money. Thompson is a backup and even worse, he's a backup at a position where the Cavs are already paying the starter max money. If the Cavs pay Thompson what he's demanding, they will have nearly $40 million dollars tied up in 1 position.

It's probably okay for now because the Cavs have their roster set and they are trying to get a title before their window begins to seriously close (most likely after next season). But it will likely hamstring them in the future when they are trying to keep up with other teams who have been able to improve their teams every year while the Cavs are forced to stand pat.

Please stop with the facts, again.
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