Toby

[Excel]

Just my two cents here.

The Pay Gap is a Myth, it does not exist. Its been debunked time and time again. When factors like hours worked, overtime, and part time vrs. full time are taken into account. The stats bear out that women actually make more then men slightly. Women also hold an advantage in college scholarships, and are also incentivized into going into tech fields due to the disparity interest lvls in said field. Instead of relying on anecdotal evidence, it might behoove you to look up some facts on the issue before you argue it.

 

[RoboticDreams]

Can someone move this shit to the politics forum? This is ridiculous to have Niner fans in a football forum talking about race issues.

 

[optimist4720]

Too funny you should use the CATO conservative think tank as your picture. Conservative think tank if ever there was one..here's the caveat..go to the CATO website and click on their "experts". Pictures of 60 men and 4 women!!! Yes women have a long way to go it would seem.

 

[Breaker99]

So one woman's anecdotal perspective about one company means

BTW Sickness, fiuck you. "anecdotal"? She has worked for Cisco, NetApp, Oracle, Seagate, JDS Uniphase, Intuit, among others. She has a masters in business from a UC school.

Who the fuck are you anyway? One white man calling a woman's personal experience "anecdotal" after you just a shit a big sexist turd? You are a seriously fucked up person dude. Sounds like mommy issues.

 

[optimist4720]

pretty good article :Why Most Women Will Never Become CEO - Forbes...

 

[Excel]

Too funny you should use the CATO conservative think tank as your picture. Conservative think tank if ever there was one..here's the caveat..go to the CATO website and click on their "experts". Pictures of 60 men and 4 women!!! Yes women have a long way to go it would seem.

It was a quick example, If it was worth the time and effort, and this was the place for it. It would be no trouble whatsoever to provide overwhelming evidence on the topic from a plethora of different sources.

Just as an aside I would wager you didn't even bother to consider watching the video, because it comes from a source you consider to be irrelevant.

I always find its helpful to drop the partisan nonsensical BS, and look at an issue from all sides, and try to here all the arguments before forming an opinion. I have watched hundreds of videos, and read hundreds of articles etc. on this issue from every angle I can find. The pay gap just doesn't hold up to scrutiny in any way shape or form. In my estimation of course, feel free to dig it all up for yourself.

 

[optimist4720]

BTW: It was true in my industry too (securities trader) . Women are discriminated against or at least shunned. Very similar to the CATO institute "expert" ratio of 60 to 4. At least 60 male traders to 5 women is about the ratio I work with.

 

[Excel]

pretty good article :Why Most Women Will Never Become CEO - Forbes...

Thats a nice anecdotal opinion piece. Full of emotions, and short on facts. She even disparages her own son that was a nice touch.

 

[Excel]

BTW: It was true in my industry too (securities trader) . Women are discriminated against or at least shunned. Very similar to the CATO institute "expert" ratio of 60 to 4. At least 60 male traders to 5 women is about the ratio I work with.

So in what way are they discriminated against. Just because the numbers are not balanced does not necessarily, or automatically point to discrimination. Choices enter into the equation.
I am not saying there is none. I am not a securities trader, just curious.
BTW that type of profession is covered in that video about the different choices men, and women make in career fields, and industries.

 

[Excel]

BTW Sickness, fiuck you. "anecdotal"? She has worked for Cisco, NetApp, Oracle, Seagate, JDS Uniphase, Intuit, among others. She has a masters in business from a UC school.

Who the fuck are you anyway? One white man calling a woman's personal experience "anecdotal" after you just a shit a big sexist turd? You are a seriously fucked up person dude. Sounds like mommy issues.

Chill out man I think you just Defined anecdotal.

 

[optimist4720]

Actually it has just the right balance..telling of why women don't make it and why the pressures are different for them..and of course the one bottom line fact ONLY 12 of 500 CEOs in the Fortune 500 are women... bottom line only 3/9 of SCOTUS are women and that is only after Obama nominated 2 of them recently.... ohh and how many Senators are women? how about how many women have been President or even VP..? How many Governors? ohh more inconvient facts to deal with... Im a guy and even I can admit women are at a disadvantage in terms of promotion and equal pay...except maybe at low end jobs like Mcdonalds.

 

[Breaker99]

Thats a nice anecdotal opinion piece. Full of emotions, and short on facts. She even disparages her own son that was a nice touch.

anecdotal again? Yeah, because as a man, your opinion of a woman's experience in the workplace is completely accurate and valid, but a woman's own experience is "anecdotal"....

What kind of an asshole says such a thing?

 

[Breaker99]

Chill out man I think you just Defined anecdotal.

You sir, are a fucking idiot.

 

[optimist4720]

Ohh and BTW I didn't say CATO was irrelevant...you did ... I said it was a conservative think tank...and I was pointing out the fact that you used a male dominated conservative biased group to make your point was the inference. (don't know if you could have made a worse reference).

 

[Breaker99]

I still can't believe that men who rant on about their own opinion of womens reality in the workplace call a womans experience as "anecdotal".

Seriously, the hypocrisy in such a statement is off the charts. I have to believe that small penis is the only explanation for such an opinion.

 

[Excel]

Actually it has just the right balance..telling of why women don't make it and why the pressures are different for them..and of course the one bottom line fact ONLY 12 of 500 CEOs in the Fortune 500 are women... bottom line only 3/9 of SCOTUS are women and that is only after Obama nominated 2 of them recently.... ohh and how many Senators are women? how about how many women have been President or even VP..? How many Governors? ohh more inconvient facts to deal with... Im a guy and even I can admit women are at a disadvantage in terms of promotion and equal pay...except maybe at low end jobs like Mcdonalds.

That article did not have a balance of anything. It was all emotions and anecdotal evidence. I agree that it would be nice to see more women up top of some companies. However, there are many reason as to why they are not YET there that do no include discrimination. Just a few Tenure, Commitment ( women who CHOOSE to have a family are at a distinct disadvantage), and the biggest that ties in to the family issue Choices. At the very top of companies I am not closed to possible discrimination in some companies, I just have not seen any solid evidence for it as some big wide spread conspiracy.

Every where you turn in todays culture women are being told they are a victim of this or a victim of that. Its developed a victim mentality which directly contributes to not succeeding. Part of equality is the equality of personal and societal responsibility. Sometimes you got to take responsibility for your own choices, and your own action. You can't always fall down and cry victim, or you will never make it too the top.

Anyway I think thats enough on a football forum, just my opinion.

 

[Excel]

I still can't believe that men who rant on about their own opinion of womens reality in the workplace call a womans experience as "anecdotal".

Seriously, the hypocrisy in such a statement is off the charts. I have to believe that small penis is the only explanation for such an opinion.

an·ec·do·tal
ˌanikˈdōtl/Submit
adjective
adjective: anecdotal
1.
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"

Just an FYI its not always an insult. It just is what it is.

BTW I have not ever brought up my experience in the workplace at all. The only thing I have said was I read up about it quite a bit, because I was interested. I am a sceptic first, I formulated my opinion based on the evidence at hand nothing more.

You Sir need to relax with the personal attacks. Its petty, and childish while doing nothing to advance your point of view.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

I still can't believe that men who rant on about their own opinion of womens reality in the workplace call a womans experience as "anecdotal".

Seriously, the hypocrisy in such a statement is off the charts. I have to believe that small penis is the only explanation for such an opinion.

I can't believe how big of a whinny bitch you are....

Every dumb mo fo out there from man or woman or Centaur think they are the most important person at the entire company they work for. There are janitors at Wal Mart who think the company will fall apart if they don't wipe up the piss in front of a urinal in a store Jacksonville, Fl.

"From what my wife tells me, she works really hard and doesn't get promotions. I have no idea if she is the actual best candidate for the position she applies for, but I will blindly take her word for it."

 

[Excel]

Ohh and BTW I didn't say CATO was irrelevant...you did ... I said it was a conservative think tank...and I was pointing out the fact that you used a male dominated conservative biased group to make your point was the inference. (don't know if you could have made a worse reference).

The location of the talk had no relevance to the information presented. The audience was evenly divided male and female. The speaker Warren Farrell, so far as I know does not work for the Cato institute.

Farrell has taught university level courses in five disciplines (psychology; women's studies; sociology; political science; gender and parenting issues). These were at the School of Medicine at the University of California, San Diego; the California School of Professional Psychology; in the Department of Women’s Studies at San Diego State; at Brooklyn College; Georgetown University; American University, and Rutgers.[10]

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

A pretty good discussion of the topic: The latest quote from Newt Grinch: “I will go to the NAACP convention and explain to the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps,” said Newt Gingrich at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire.



The latest quote from Mr. Rick Santorum: “I don’t want to give Black people somebody else’s money, I want them to go out and earn their own money”.



My question to Mr. Grinch, who seems to think “Black Americans” are the only ones receiving welfare assistance is this: The welfare rolls are filled with triple the caucasian recipients than other races, so will he attend the next KKK rally to explain to the caucasian community that they too should demand a paycheck instead of a welfare check or food stamps?





Welfare: A White Secret



Come on, my fellow white folks, we have something to confess. No, nothing to do with age spots or those indoor-tanning creams we use to get us through the | winter without looking like the final stages of TB. Nor am I talking about the fact that we all go home and practice funky dance moves behind drawn shades. Out with it, friends, the biggest secret known to whites since the invention of powdered rouge: welfare is a white program. Yep. At least it’s no more black than Vanilla Ice is a fair rendition of classic urban rap.



Despite prevailing stereotype, Whites, not Blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars



SAY the word “welfare” and immediately the image of the lazy Black welfare queen who breeds for profit surfaces in the minds of those who have come to believe the hideous stereotype. It is a myth that persists despite government figures and authoritative studies showing that Whites overwhelmingly reap the lion’s share of the dole.The image of the Black “welfare cheat,” public aid advocates say, is based on misconceptions about poor minorities. The notion, they say, comes from society’s resentment of seemingly able-bodied people getting paid for doing nothing.



“For some people, there is a need to believe that there are
professional welfare recipients who are deliberately trying to get not
only what they need to survive, but more,” says Anne D. Hill, director
of programs for the National Urban League. “People say to themselves: ‘I
work. How come this person who appears to be healthy isn’t working?’ We
tend to equate our condition with others without fully knowing their
circumstances.”



Hill and other welfare supporters argue that numbers, and not erroneous stereotypes, tell the real story about public assistance clients: Some 61 percent of welfare recipients are White, while 33 percent are Black, according to 1990 Census Bureau statistics, the latest figures available.



The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes. These programs, listed as “direct benefit payments for individuals” by the Office of Management and Budget, make up $730 billion or 43 percent of the $1.47 trillion the government will spend this fiscal year.



Social Security is the nation’s largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan. The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time.



Welfare critics rarely search the Social Security rolls for “welfare cheats,” but train their sights on people getting Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), Medicaid and food stamps, the relief programs with the most Black clients. Yet government figures show that Whites not Blacks make up the bulk of clients on these public aid programs; a fact that dispels the notion that Blacks are scheming for a free lunch courtesy of the American taxpayer.



Among the poorest of the poor–single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White. Medicaid benefits are paid to 27.5 percent Black recipients compared to 48.5 percent White clients.



Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn’t collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population. They say the imbalance proves their case that Blacks are too busy complaining and blaming racism for their plight to look for a job.



But racism is at the heart of the standard-of-living gap between Blacks and Whites, welfare advocates argue. Unlawful race-based hiring practices, they contend, keep Blacks from getting jobs that pay enough to lift them out of poverty. Until more blue-collar jobs open up to Black workers, Blacks will continue to battle poverty and the freeloader misconception.



Turning welfare reform into a “Black issue” makes racial scapegoating easy and allows stereotypes, like the Reagan era “welfare queen,” to go unchallenged, public aid supporters say. Right wing reformers cast Whites as “deserving” clients who are legitimately unable to pay their own way through no fault of their own. Blacks are labeled “undeserving” recipients who are looking for the feds to subsidize their slothfulness.



Now….reading the facts and truth listed above in this article….who actually are the recipients of welfare in the United States Of America? Caucasians by far.



I will list the facts and truth one more time….for those too ignorant, blind or racist to have comprehended them above….read them again below…..



Some 61 percent of welfare recipients are White, while 33 percent are Black, according to 1990 Census Bureau statistics, the latest figures available.



The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes. These programs, listed as “direct benefit payments for individuals” by the Office of Management and Budget, make up $730 billion or 43 percent of the $1.47 trillion the government will spend this fiscal year.



Social Security is the nation’s largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan. The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time.



Welfare critics rarely search the Social Security rolls for “welfare cheats,” but train their sights on people getting Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), Medicaid and food stamps, the relief programs with the most Black clients. Yet government figures show that Whites not Blacks make up the bulk of clients on these public aid programs; a fact that dispels the notion that Blacks are scheming for a free lunch courtesy of the American taxpayer.

Are you f*ing kidding me???

I read one sentence of your "proof"

'Social Security is the nation’s largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan.'

Social Security is WELFARE??? Only an idiot and the government would label it as such.

I am FORCED to GIVE the gubament part of the money I EARNED thanks to your socialist party that was in power many, many decades and decades before I was born. A flawed system from the get go that was nothing more than a money grab at the time, that was, and always will be unfundable in the long term. And I am promised by the "social security administration" that I will get my money back?? And if I you will argue that this is welfare???

I will be lucky IF the government gives me back my money that they took without my approval, without paying any sort of interest...but according to you, I should be THANKFUL!!! GMAFB.

Social Security was, is, and will always be THEFT, not welfare. Rob Peter to pay Paul. Rob John and Ron to Pay Peter. Rob Jill, Jack, Steph, and Shane to pay....etc, etc, etc...