This Is So Stupid

[countryroads316]

NFL: All teams must add minority offensive coach

To ensure more opportunities for diverse candidates, the NFL has added requirements on the hiring of offensive assistant coaches, and women in general.

www.espn.com

 

[Niner Outlaw]

NFL: All teams must add minority offensive coach

To ensure more opportunities for diverse candidates, the NFL has added requirements on the hiring of offensive assistant coaches, and women in general.

www.espn.com

The league has good intentions here, but I agree with you.

Unless I'm reading that wrong, the league is requiring ALL 32 teams to now hire a "woman or a minority" for an "offensive coaching position" that works closely with the offensive staff.

This isn't a WR coach, or the Asst. OLine coach, or even a Quality Control Coach b/c only certain races and sexes can apply for it. So, that makes this position the Minority Assistant.

When your key qualification is the color of your skin or the fact that you have XX chromosomes, that reeks of tokenism. A job where certain races or sexes need not apply....there's a word for that...

 

[gkekoa]

That is also illegal.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

It's a tough situation, qualified Black coaches often aren't given opportunities to advance -- while white coaches are, even if they are clearly not ready to lead a NFL team.
But every job is this way, some folks minority or not get in -- based on who you know.
I didn't even read the article but imagine being hired because you HAD to?? ughh, easy to fire you the next year and bring in who you really want.
I did it, I hired him or her......now can i please get who i really want??

 

[Breed]

The league has good intentions

"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions." - Dr Alan Grant, Jurassic Park 3

 

[Rowdy]

NFL: All teams must add minority offensive coach

To ensure more opportunities for diverse candidates, the NFL has added requirements on the hiring of offensive assistant coaches, and women in general.

www.espn.com

Shit like this is why we’ve got the most embarrassing and incompetent administration in US history right now. Everything is based on identity and not qualification

 

[wilwhite]

That's not where you need the minorities and women, to be honest. You need them in the country club and on the golf course.

When owners can have an unguarded conversation with somebody they feel "gets" them, they're much more inclined to hire that person. Everybody's on eggshells these days.

 

[skinsdad62]

Have we explored why minorities aren’t being hired ? Or are we just defaulting to race ?

I have a theory about that but right now society isn’t ready for it . Instead it’s victim hood carrying the day .

 

[gkekoa]

The argument is always the league is 80% black but…

Well the league is 0% women but apparently they get the job.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Have we explored why minorities aren’t being hired ? Or are we just defaulting to race ?

I have a theory about that but right now society isn’t ready for it . Instead it’s victim hood carrying the day .

it has been explored, minorities are not being given enough oppertunities to be head coaches.
However I can accept its not always about unfair treatment -- you may have 2 people equally qualified and just prefer the other.
For instance, as much as Eric B in KC seem ready to be a head coach, there's something about him, where I personally don't know if I'd want him.
Brian Flores, on the other hand -- I'm still shocked it didn't work out based on where things were headed.

 

[dcrising]

it has been explored, minorities are not being given enough oppertunities to be head coaches.
However I can accept its not always about unfair treatment -- you may have 2 people equally qualified and just prefer the other.
For instance, as much as Eric B in KC seem ready to be a head coach, there's something about him, where I personally don't know if I'd want him.
Brian Flores, on the other hand -- I'm still shocked it didn't work out based on where things were headed.

you're shocked about flores getting canned? i'm not. If you're a minority HC, you'd better play ball and do what mr. owner wants or the first oppurtunity to get rid of you happens, you gone.

 

[Stymietee]

The league has good intentions here, but I agree with you.

Unless I'm reading that wrong, the league is requiring ALL 32 teams to now hire a "woman or a minority" for an "offensive coaching position" that works closely with the offensive staff.

This isn't a WR coach, or the Asst. OLine coach, or even a Quality Control Coach b/c only certain races and sexes can apply for it. So, that makes this position the Minority Assistant.

When your key qualification is the color of your skin or the fact that you have XX chromosomes, that reeks of tokenism. A job where certain races or sexes need not apply....there's a word for that...

I disagree concerning their "intentions," and assert that this is the proper manner in which to address the larger question... how to properly correct historic (read as "normal") wrong?

Before I go on, let's be clear about this subject... This is ABSOLUTELY NOT just an NFL issue but one that finds no exception across the entirety of the United States! The answer, I believe lies in its relation to the whole name change controversy, but first, we have to agree that people no matter who or what they are/represent have general feelings, better, a legitimate POV about what equality looks like. (this conversation won't work otherwise) Further, for purposes related to the subject, we must agree that we'll make every attempt NOT to use trigger wording, an example being my use of "normal" vs. "wrong."

At the moment, the team name "Commanders" elicits almost every aspect of human expression from love to hatred and all stops in between, but what about five years from now? ten years? twenty? fifty, one hundred? I suggest that the farther we get away from the moment, the more "normalized" that name becomes should it stand that test of time. As such, women and POC have uncomfortably been left out of the "normalized" hiring process, but as a still relatively young country matures from its early "normal" underpinnings to a more considered, inclusive one and beyond, there MUST be some level of discomfort towards those who are charged with being very comfortable with the previous "normal" and their ability to take part in making those changes.

You wrote " When your key qualification is the color of your skin or the fact that you have XX chromosomes, that reeks of tokenism. A job where certain races or sexes need not apply....there's a word for that..."

It is a point well taken historically when the discomfort was important to those left out of the "normal" manner of doing things in the country. The NFL is taking a bold step toward correcting historical "norms" with the realization that at the moment, there's going to be discomfort, and in an interesting historical twist of fate, labeling ( "tokenism"...."words for that") but what about, five years from now? ten years? twenty? fifty, one hundred?

"NORMAL" takes time and a level of tolerance that comes with discomfort in change, this is what comes with an entire country transitioning from adolescence to adulthood. (the NFL is just one of its children)

SN: If anyone wants to ask why now? I have a few thoughts about that too!

 

[Skin'EmAll]

you're shocked about flores getting canned? i'm not. If you're a minority HC, you'd better play ball and do what mr. owner wants or the first oppurtunity to get rid of you happens, you gone.

before all the info was released, Miami seemed to be heading in the right direction

 

[skinsdad62]

it has been explored, minorities are not being given enough oppertunities to be head coaches.
However I can accept its not always about unfair treatment -- you may have 2 people equally qualified and just prefer the other.
For instance, as much as Eric B in KC seem ready to be a head coach, there's something about him, where I personally don't know if I'd want him.
Brian Flores, on the other hand -- I'm still shocked it didn't work out based on where things were headed.

No it hasn’t been totally explored , it is assumed to be total racism when In it may not be

 

[Uncle Siggy]

So, that makes this position the Minority Assistant.

And I know just how they'll feel, I'm always the "Token White Boy" at Pinochle/Domino night.

(except for that they'll be making more money)...

 

[Skin'EmAll]

No it hasn’t been totally explored , it is assumed to be total racism when In it may not be

Ay Skinsdad, you need to stop it, you know the history of the league....please bro. Stop it. Again, I agree its bogus that its a requirement to throw minorities in this position, but please don't act like we need to put this subject under a microscope. Again, i also agree you can have a preference on head coaching and not be racist. I also acknowledge a minority member may be less qualified for a certain job at a certain time. But you also have to acknowledge, even unwittingly....if you keep pushing off a minority, or putting him in one specific coaching spot, how exactly does he get the tools to become a head coach?
He needs a chance to be trained, make mistakes and learn. For some owners, they simply don't want a different race representing their franchise as a coach.
That's their coach, but its not always fair

 

[chillerdab]

"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions." - Dr Alan Grant, Jurassic Park 3

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Not enough to have good intentions. Have to actively pursue goodness. Sometimes that means strong-arming naysayers into doing what you tell them to do because of your good intentions.

I can't see how Jennifer King - assistant RB coach for the Commanders - made the team worse. On the other hand, I can't know how King made the team better. When the head RB coach was out for covid reasons at the end of last year, and King was the head coach, I don't remember saying to myself the type of job she did one way or another....

Worth a shot.

 

[skinsdad62]

Ay Skinsdad, you need to stop it, you know the history of the league....please bro. Stop it. Again, I agree its bogus that its a requirement to throw minorities in this position, but please don't act like we need to put this subject under a microscope. Again, i also agree you can have a preference on head coaching and not be racist. I also acknowledge a minority member may be less qualified for a certain job at a certain time. But you also have to acknowledge, even unwittingly....if you keep pushing off a minority, or putting him in one specific coaching spot, how exactly does he get the tools to become a head coach?
He needs a chance to be trained, make mistakes and learn. For some owners, they simply don't want a different race representing their franchise as a coach.
That's their coach, but its not always fair

the history of the league i get , but in todays world there is a reason why you dont see minorities in head coaching positions or at least possibly a reason instead of defaulting to racism

 

[gkekoa]

Ay Skinsdad, you need to stop it, you know the history of the league....please bro. Stop it. Again, I agree its bogus that its a requirement to throw minorities in this position, but please don't act like we need to put this subject under a microscope. Again, i also agree you can have a preference on head coaching and not be racist. I also acknowledge a minority member may be less qualified for a certain job at a certain time. But you also have to acknowledge, even unwittingly....if you keep pushing off a minority, or putting him in one specific coaching spot, how exactly does he get the tools to become a head coach?

Here lies the problem in your thought process. You openly admit a minority member may be less qualified for a certain job at a certain time. Well, if the minority is less qualified for the job that leads to the HC job, then should he be given the job he is less qualified for?

You then ask how he is to become a HC. I would say he same way a white person does.

He needs a chance to be trained, make mistakes and learn. For some owners, they simply don't want a different race representing their franchise as a coach.
That's their coach, but its not always fair

So the organization is responsible for training minority candidates to get a specific job? Is the organization also responsible for training the white candidate? Or do you believe white candidates are miraculously trained or their abilities are innate?

 

[skinsdad62]

Here lies the problem in your thought process. You openly admit a minority member may be less qualified for a certain job at a certain time. Well, if the minority is less qualified for the job that leads to the HC job, then should he be given the job he is less qualified for?

You then ask how he is to become a HC. I would say he same way a white person does.



So the organization is responsible for training minority candidates to get a specific job? Is the organization also responsible for training the white candidate? Or do you believe white candidates are miraculously trained or their abilities are innate?

See I think that black athletes play the sport longer than whites and thus whites are getting trained sooner .