The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

[Yo Tee]

Rbs are or should be cheap.

WRs SHOULD come from the draft, and after the PRyor fail, I would hope Bruce realizes that. My only knock on Doctson is health, if he stays healthy, we might be ok there.

O-line... again health and the draft.

Zack Brown wont be cheap. BUt he wont be a deal breaker either.

Most of what ails us SHOULD come from the draft, the rub is.. if we are drafting a QB.... everything and I mean everything becomes secondary.

Only expensive RBs would probably be Le'Veon, Blount and Hyde. Fitzgerald, Watkins, Adams, Landry, Jeffrey, some good names in FA next year at the WR spot. I don't think you guys get a decent RB from the draft, but then again, one of the best RBs came in the 4th round this year.

 

[Yo Tee]

Possibly because we have seen this line of reasoning from other people. And as I stated, usually the people making this arguement were also the people who

1. Never thought Kirk should start in the first place.
2. Expected him to fail miserably
3. Generally were RG3 defenders
4. have come to the conclusion that any one would be better than Kirk (mainly because they used 1-3 to come to this conclusion)


Now maybe you dont fit all four. And if i have misjudged you... my bad.

But know you know where we are coming from.

I can honestly say I don't fit any of those 4 things lol.

 

[Sharkinva]

Only expensive RBs would probably be Le'Veon, Blount and Hyde. Fitzgerald, Watkins, Adams, Landry, Jeffrey, some good names in FA next year at the WR spot. I don't think you guys get a decent RB from the draft, but then again, one of the best RBs came in the 4th round this year.

All well and good. But again as i said, if QB s a need going into the draft, you can forget about RB, D-line, o-line or anything else. As we have seen... this team will do what it takes and sink what ever draft resources required to get there guy at the QB position. If I had ot choose... pay Kirk and save Dan a few million, or over pay Kirk and go into the draft with the flexibility to take the BPA at a position of need... well fuck it give Kirk $35M and give Tomsula another 1st round D-lineman.


And yes $35M WOULD be overpaying.

 

[j_y19]

All well and good. But again as i said, if QB s a need going into the draft, you can forget about RB, D-line, o-line or anything else. As we have seen... this team will do what it takes and sink what ever draft resources required to get there guy at the QB position. If I had ot choose... pay Kirk and save Dan a few million, or over pay Kirk and go into the draft with the flexibility to take the BPA at a position of need... well fuck it give Kirk $35M and give Tomsula another 1st round D-lineman.


And yes $35M WOULD be overpaying.

Exactly the point.

 

[skinsdad62]

Comparing Kirk Cousins to Troy Aikman? Are we serious here? Like I've said, he needs the pieces around him but as of right now, throughout his career. He's a .500 QB and paying him that much money, you gotta be okay with that.

Nobody knew what aikman would be those first 3 years terry so stop with some lazy deflection

I wouldn’t be paying KC for what he is rght now which is damn good but what he will later

It is an intellectually lame argument to lay wins and losses solely on the qb example HOF qb sonny jurgensen

 

[Sharkinva]

Since week three Kirk Cousins leads the league in Completion Percentage, Passer rating average pass distance and passing yards per game


#ThisIsTheReasonWeAreA.500Team

Just throwing it out there.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Nobody knew what aikman would be those first 3 years terry so stop with some lazy deflection

I wouldn’t be paying KC for what he is rght now which is damn good but what he will later

It is an intellectually lame argument to lay wins and losses solely on the qb example HOF qb sonny jurgensen

Yep & BTW how does anyone really know if Aikman was good on his own or needed a great supporting cast to be successful. He played with a HOF RB, WR & O lineman, had one of the best OLs ever, a very good TE and other receivers and also benefitted from a very good defense. This idea that a QB is the end all / be all of a team is nonsense in most cases.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yep & BTW how does anyone really know if Aikman was good on his own or needed a great supporting cast to be successful. He played with a HOF RB, WR & O lineman, had one of the best OLs ever, a very good TE and other receivers and also benefitted from a very good defense. This idea that a QB is the end all / be all of a team is nonsense in most cases.

100% agree. How ever when you have guys like Marshall Faulk saying the problems with the Ravens right now is Flacco cant carry the team, he is basically feeding into the whole QBs should carry the team mantra.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Since week three Kirk Cousins leads the league in Completion Percentage, Passer rating average pass distance and passing yards per game


#ThisIsTheReasonWeAreA.500Team

Just throwing it out there.

Yep - just think what he might be able to do if 80% of the OL was not hurt at some time, had more than one RB contributing anything rt now & had some WRs who made more than 1 or 2 plays a game. To satisfy some folks here Cousins is going to have to figure out a way to block for, pass & throw it to himself (& maybe kick & defend passes while he is at it). Otherwise he is a "system" QB who is never the reason for success - only the reason why they fail at times.

 

[Yo Tee]

Have you guys thought about the alternative where this is about as good as this Redskins team gets? For arguments sake, how long to you let 8-8, 9-7 and no playoff wins go on for before you say enough is enough? 2 years? 5 years?

 

[Sharkinva]

Have you guys thought about the alternative where this is about as good as this Redskins team gets? For arguments sake, how long to you let 8-8, 9-7 and no playoff wins go on for before you say enough is enough? 2 years? 5 years?

Thats an awesome question.

The reality is, if you are a .500 team you build and improve. When you are sub .500 for the number of years we were.. you rebuild. The next time we are .500 or better three years in a row, will be the FIRST time this team has been .500 or better three years in a row in this century.

Take a moment, reflect on that. Then give me another reason why this team needs to start over.

 

[gkekoa]

Yep & BTW how does anyone really know if Aikman was good on his own or needed a great supporting cast to be successful. He played with a HOF RB, WR & O lineman, had one of the best OLs ever, a very good TE and other receivers and also benefitted from a very good defense. This idea that a QB is the end all / be all of a team is nonsense in most cases.

Airman was just a facillitator, just like Brady.

 

[Yo Tee]

Thats an awesome question.

The reality is, if you are a .500 team you build and improve. When you are sub .500 for the number of years we were.. you rebuild. The next time we are .500 or better three years in a row, will be the FIRST time this team has been .500 or better three years in a row in this century.

Take a moment, reflect on that. Then give me another reason why this team needs to start over.

89-92, you guys have 4 straight over .500 seasons. Did you mean decade, not century? I'm not saying the team needs to start over, but something needs to improve or change if you want to be a contender come playoff time. And like I've said, the first thing to improve or change should not be the QB position.

 

[gkekoa]

89-92, you guys have 4 straight over .500 seasons. Did you mean decade, not century? I'm not saying the team needs to start over, but something needs to improve or change if you want to be a contender come playoff time. And like I've said, the first thing to improve or change should not be the QB position.

In this century...not in a century. He could have said this millennium for a more dramatic feel and he would still be right.

 

[skinsdad62]

What part of THIS Century is unclear ?

 

[Yo Tee]

What part of THIS Century is unclear ?

Calm down, Pops. Not that serious.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

This is the NFL. The difference say between going 7-9 & 11-5 depends on a lot of factors including luck. Luck in this case mainly involves injuries. Lots of teams could vouch for that this season (Packers, Giants, Cards, etc)

Beyond that - regardless of how the Skins do this season - they are not that far away from tweaking the team to the pt off adding a few wins & being expected to have a winning record each season barring major injuries. The primary way to improve in this era is via the draft and not free agency. Even at that the Redskins will have cap room to add some key FAs regardless of what they pay Cousins if he is extended. This idea that signing a QB to a big contract precludes your team from having enough money to build the rest of the team is just nonsense.

 

[j_y19]

This is the NFL. The difference say between going 7-9 & 11-5 depends on a lot of factors including luck. Luck in this case mainly involves injuries. Lots of teams could vouch for that this season (Packers, Giants, Cards, etc)

Beyond that - regardless of how the Skins do this season - they are not that far away from tweaking the team to the pt off adding a few wins & being expected to have a winning record each season barring major injuries. The primary way to improve in this era is via the draft and not free agency. Even at that the Redskins will have cap room to add some key FAs regardless of what they pay Cousins if he is extended. This idea that signing a QB to a big contract precludes your team from having enough money to build the rest of the team is just nonsense.

That's what some of us have been saying for quite some time. The notion that Cousins (or stafford or and other Franchise QB) is not worth the money is inane. They are worth what the market will bear. As the cost of these QBs go up, the owners will just increase the cap. They are not stupid.
Cousins is a top 10 QB for 3 years running now. He is moving closer to a top 5. Of course we can afford him and of course he is worth it. Unfortunately we may loose him not to money but to a dumb shit GM/President who messed this up 2 years ago.

 

[skinsdad62]

Because he’s only a system quarterback and barely above average in some eyes, it probably hurts to face the reality that Cousins is second in NFL history, when it comes to completion percentage among quarterbacks, at 66.1%, with at least 1,500 career attempts.

Cousins enters the game second in NFL history(behind Drew Brees 66.7%) in completion percentage (66.1) among players with at least 1,500 career attempts.

In yards per pass attempt, a key metric in today’s NFL, Cousins is tied for 11 th all-time in NFL history, with two legends (Bart Starr & Johnny Unitas) at 7.8. That’s just one-tenth of a yard below Aaron Rodgers , Russell Wilson, Tony Romo and Kurt Warner’s career mark of 7.9 through week seven.

Cousins is also seventh all time, tied with Ben Roethlisberger in adjusted yards per pass attempt (a complicated formula) at 7.64, just a notch below Tom Brady and Tony Romo (7.81) and a spot ahead of Peyton Manning (7.61), based on a minimum of 1,500 attempts.

Just saying

 

[Sharkinva]

Because he’s only a system quarterback and barely above average in some eyes, it probably hurts to face the reality that Cousins is second in NFL history, when it comes to completion percentage among quarterbacks, at 66.1%, with at least 1,500 career attempts.

Cousins enters the game second in NFL history(behind Drew Brees 66.7%) in completion percentage (66.1) among players with at least 1,500 career attempts.

In yards per pass attempt, a key metric in today’s NFL, Cousins is tied for 11 th all-time in NFL history, with two legends (Bart Starr & Johnny Unitas) at 7.8. That’s just one-tenth of a yard below Aaron Rodgers , Russell Wilson, Tony Romo and Kurt Warner’s career mark of 7.9 through week seven.

Cousins is also seventh all time, tied with Ben Roethlisberger in adjusted yards per pass attempt (a complicated formula) at 7.64, just a notch below Tom Brady and Tony Romo (7.81) and a spot ahead of Peyton Manning (7.61), based on a minimum of 1,500 attempts.

Just saying

But can he carry a team??