The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

[Sharkinva]

My opinion of Kirk Cousins was formed on two things. One, how the hell is he worth $27-30M a year? Two, he's got the stats of a great QB who's got a direct path to the HoF, but he doesn't have the success of the team on his back to go along with it. I'll never get why fans back QBs that put up great stats but don't lead the team to success. The Skins are back where they were in 2012 just with consistency on their side now. And that consistency is being 1 game over .500 and always being on the edge of the playoffs. I don't know how y'all can settle for that. But, with that said, Cousins isn't the main problem. He needs a supporting cast of competent FO people, running game, o-line protection and better defensive pieces. Maybe if he feels the team is building around him, he'll play better and lead the team better. Just a thought.

I think you are mistaking playing better, with being a one man show. Because at the end of the day, Kirk is PLAYING the QB position as good as or better than most right now. What he isnt doing is breaking out of a pile of five defenders to rush for the TD. What he isnt doing is being the Sports center poster child for new and flashy exciting.


As for how is he worth that much?? Simple, because you can either pay him. Or spend the draft capitol and risk saving money and being a 3-13 team again. He is worth that much because the front office bet against him and lost. Time to pay up.

 

[j_y19]

This whole money angle with KC is laughable. KC is worth what the market will pay him. And given his play, that is going to be in the Stafford range. That type of contract does not hinder this franchise one bit in doing what ever we want in FA. For those that are using the money angle, that is all a ruse. There are other issues they have with KC and that is the only one they are willing to admit to publicly.

 

[Sharkinva]

This whole money angle with KC is laughable. KC is worth what the market will pay him. And given his play, that is going to be in the Stafford range. That type of contract does not hinder this franchise one bit in doing what ever we want in FA. For those that are using the money angle, that is all a ruse. There are other issues they have with KC and that is the only one they are willing to admit to publicly.

Because its the only angle that holds even a shred of weight at this point. YOu cant really say Kirk is playing poorly, because he isnt.

You cant say he is making soul crushing game killing mistakes. Because he isnt.

So the only Peg the ABC crowd can hang their hat on now is, well what if we could get as good or better production for less money. They better call Geico.

 

[j_y19]

Because its the only angle that holds even a shred of weight at this point. YOu cant really say Kirk is playing poorly, because he isnt.

You cant say he is making soul crushing game killing mistakes. Because he isnt.

So the only Peg the ABC crowd can hang their hat on now is, well what if we could get as good or better production for less money. They better call Geico.

But the thing is (and I know you know this better than anyone) that the money angle doesn't even hold a shred of weight. Its a non factor. We have the money to sign KC to a market contract and still go after most any FA we want. So for those saying that they just don't see him worth $25 or $30M just haven't done their homework on either the market value for QBs of KC's caliber or our cap situation. They are just spewing subterfuge to avoid saying what is really the issue they have with KC.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Because its the only angle that holds even a shred of weight at this point. YOu cant really say Kirk is playing poorly, because he isnt.

You cant say he is making soul crushing game killing mistakes. Because he isnt.

So the only Peg the ABC crowd can hang their hat on now is, well what if we could get as good or better production for less money. They better call Geico.

Yep & if this were another team w/ a good track record of selecting QBs I could possibly see them looking for their future QB in the draft. However the Redskins track record w/ 1st rd QBs is awful to include the Snyder era. What leads anyone to believe that luck will change w/ the next draft?

As you alluded to - the storyline in play now against Cousins is that he can't win on MNF or in big games. Exactly what did he do in the last few games that was the primary reason for those losses? He actually made what could have been the game winning pass against KC only to have it dropped. He made more than enough plays against the Eagles to possibly win, but Philly was the better team, the Redskins had no running game, had tons of injuries & the Redskins defense was just outplayed (for whatever reason).

I will grant you that Cousins takes a major part of the blame for last season's losses against teams like the Panthers & Giants but don't see it that way w/ the losses this season. I guess it is time for Cousins to makes some statements in the weeks ahead.

 

[Yo Tee]

I think you are mistaking playing better, with being a one man show. Because at the end of the day, Kirk is PLAYING the QB position as good as or better than most right now. What he isnt doing is breaking out of a pile of five defenders to rush for the TD. What he isnt doing is being the Sports center poster child for new and flashy exciting.


As for how is he worth that much?? Simple, because you can either pay him. Or spend the draft capitol and risk saving money and being a 3-13 team again. He is worth that much because the front office bet against him and lost. Time to pay up.

You would pay him even if the Redskins stay at 8-8, 9-7 and always being on the edge of making the playoffs? How long would that be okay for?

 

[j_y19]

You would pay him even if the Redskins stay at 8-8, 9-7 and always being on the edge of making the playoffs? How long would that be okay for?

You pay him as long as he plays at a high level. You are confusing the rational for the Redskins being a .500 team his 2 years as starter. KC is not the issue. Not even close. In fact, if he weren't the QB the last 2 1/2 years, we would be a .300 or less team. The overriding issue for the our record during KC's starting stint is the defense. Hands down. How is this KC's fault?

 

[Yo Tee]

You pay him as long as he plays at a high level. You are confusing the rational for the Redskins being a .500 team his 2 years as starter. KC is not the issue. Not even close. In fact, if he weren't the QB the last 2 1/2 years, we would be a .300 or less team. The overriding issue for the our record during KC's starting stint is the defense. Hands down. How is this KC's fault?

I have already said KC is not the main issue. Not even a top 5 issue to worry about. But while he's playing at a high level, the Redskins are a game over .500 praying that another team loses so they can make the playoffs.

 

[Sharkinva]

You would pay him even if the Redskins stay at 8-8, 9-7 and always being on the edge of making the playoffs? How long would that be okay for?

Hands down I would pay him. MAke it a deal with a three year bail out, 66-7 years total. And not worry about chasing the QB position for the next three years while we concentrate on fixing the defense.

The only way paying Kirk HURTS this team is if we pay him and he suddenly becomes a bad QB. Which I dont see happening.

 

[Yo Tee]

Hands down I would pay him. MAke it a deal with a three year bail out, 66-7 years total. And not worry about chasing the QB position for the next three years while we concentrate on fixing the defense.

The only way paying Kirk HURTS this team is if we pay him and he suddenly becomes a bad QB. Which I dont see happening.

I just don't think paying KC that much for an 8-8, 9-7 QB is a smart decision. But, if he's the QB, you gotta have a decent team around him in order for it to pay off.

 

[j_y19]

I have already said KC is not the main issue. Not even a top 5 issue to worry about. But while he's playing at a high level, the Redskins are a game over .500 praying that another team loses so they can make the playoffs.

So how is that his fault? You insinuate that he is the problem by continually alluding to the team record and getting rid of KC because of it. What problem does that solve for this team?

 

[skinsdad62]

My opinion of Kirk Cousins was formed on two things. One, how the hell is he worth $27-30M a year? Two, he's got the stats of a great QB who's got a direct path to the HoF, but he doesn't have the success of the team on his back to go along with it. I'll never get why fans back QBs that put up great stats but don't lead the team to success. The Skins are back where they were in 2012 just with consistency on their side now. And that consistency is being 1 game over .500 and always being on the edge of the playoffs. I don't know how y'all can settle for that. But, with that said, Cousins isn't the main problem. He needs a supporting cast of competent FO people, running game, o-line protection and better defensive pieces. Maybe if he feels the team is building around him, he'll play better and lead the team better. Just a thought.

Ever heard of sonny jurgensen ? Why is it a given KC and he skins will be forever doomed
To 500 . There is no chance he will ever be more then 500 ? 2 seasons and that’s it ? Troy aikman was 7 and 19 his first 2 years as a starter 14 and 24, his first. Three years . But KC can’t ? Once aikman got pieces around him he got 3 Super Bowls but tha cant happen for KC ? Good thing you weren’t in charge of the cowboys then you would have given up on a HOF qb

 

[j_y19]

Ever heard of sonny jurgensen ? Why is it a given KC and he skins will be forever doomed
To 500 . There is no chance he will ever be more then 500 ? 2 seasons and that’s it ? Troy aikman was 7 and 19 his first 2 years as a starter 14 and 24, his first. Three years . But KC can’t ? Once aikman got pieces around him he got 3 Super Bowls but tha cant happen for KC ? Good thing you weren’t in charge of the cowboys then you would have given up on a HOF qb

The HOF is filled with QBs that had losing records their first couple of years. If I am not mistaken, Pittsburg's own Bradshaw was one such loser. How soon they forget. That is why this is a stupid argument.

What one really needs to look at is has Cousins improved and is he continuing to improve? I don't see how anyone with any football knowledge can say that he has not improved, even this year. We have seen a different KC this year. One willing to make plays when everything breaks down. He has done that on numerous occasions this year. He has become a playmaker. For some, that was they most recent knock on him, but no more (at least it shouldn't be). Does he still have room to improve? Absolutely. Is there any logical reason to believe he won't continue to improve? I can't see one.

 

[Yo Tee]

So how is that his fault? You insinuate that he is the problem by continually alluding to the team record and getting rid of KC because of it. What problem does that solve for this team?

I'm not insinuating anything. He's an issue because all throughout his career, he's been a .500 QB. When he filled in for RG3 and while he's been the starter. But he's not the main problem. He's been a career .500 QB. Nothing wrong with that, but when you pay that guy as if he's taking your team to the playoffs every year, winning 11-12 games a year, that's a problem. But if you want the QB to be successful in leading the team, you gotta have the pieces around him to do it. That should be the focus.

 

[j_y19]

I'm not insinuating anything. He's an issue because all throughout his career, he's been a .500 QB. When he filled in for RG3 and while he's been the starter. But he's not the main problem. He's been a career .500 QB. Nothing wrong with that, but when you pay that guy as if he's taking your team to the playoffs every year, winning 11-12 games a year, that's a problem. But if you want the QB to be successful in leading the team, you gotta have the pieces around him to do it. That should be the focus.

So I will ask again. How is the record during his stint is fault? Please be specific.

 

[gkekoa]

The HOF is filled with QBs that had losing records their first couple of years. If I am not mistaken, Pittsburg's own Bradshaw was one such loser. How soon they forget. That is why this is a stupid argument.

What one really needs to look at is has Cousins improved and is he continuing to improve? I don't see how anyone with any football knowledge can say that he has not improved, even this year. We have seen a different KC this year. One willing to make plays when everything breaks down. He has done that on numerous occasions this year. He has become a playmaker. For some, that was they most recent knock on him, but no more (at least it shouldn't be). Does he still have room to improve? Absolutely. Is there any logical reason to believe he won't continue to improve? I can't see one.

Bradshaw' first two seasons...11-17 as a starter. He actually lost his job in 1974.

 

[Yo Tee]

Ever heard of sonny jurgensen ? Why is it a given KC and he skins will be forever doomed
To 500 . There is no chance he will ever be more then 500 ? 2 seasons and that’s it ? Troy aikman was 7 and 19 his first 2 years as a starter 14 and 24, his first. Three years . But KC can’t ? Once aikman got pieces around him he got 3 Super Bowls but tha cant happen for KC ? Good thing you weren’t in charge of the cowboys then you would have given up on a HOF qb

Comparing Kirk Cousins to Troy Aikman? Are we serious here? Like I've said, he needs the pieces around him but as of right now, throughout his career. He's a .500 QB and paying him that much money, you gotta be okay with that.

 

[Yo Tee]

So I will ask again. How is the record during his stint is fault? Please be specific.

The coaching staff? Changed. The team around him? Changed. He and the front office are the only constants. Plus, he's the QB, he's also gotta be a leader and improve along with the team around him. he you can't improve the team around you, you aren't a leader, you're just playing the position.

 

[Rowdy]

The coaching staff? Changed. The team around him? Changed. He and the front office are the only constants. Plus, he's the QB, he's also gotta be a leader and improve along with the team around him. he you can't improve the team around you, you aren't a leader, you're just playing the position.

Cousins is probably all your Steelers need to be a good team right now dude

 

[Yo Tee]

Cousins isn't the main problem. He needs a supporting cast of competent FO people, running game, o-line protection and better defensive pieces. Maybe if he feels the team is building around him, he'll play better and lead the team better. Just a thought.

But, if he's the QB, you gotta have a decent team around him in order for it to pay off.

But if you want the QB to be successful in leading the team, you gotta have the pieces around him to do it. That should be the focus.

Like I've said, he needs the pieces around him but as of right now, throughout his career. He's a .500 QB

Are y'all just cherry picking things you disagree with out of my responses? I've said it at least 4 times, not 5, that you he needs the pieces around him to be successful IF you are keeping him around. But it nothing changes after that, you gotta look at the constant in the equation.