The Natives are restless again

[TBBishop]

Trust me, I wasn't the only white suburban youth who was rocking it to rap during the early 1990s.

Also, Bon Jovi was a 1980s thing, in the 1990s everyone in the suburbs was into rock and rap. That's when rap really started taking off, that's why Snoop Dogg became the legend he became.

Obviously more white kids listened to rock than rap but there were plenty of white kids listening to rap. White suburban kids listening to NWA was what all the uproar about NWA was about and that started in '89. Also, the term WIGGER was coined in the early '90s when white suburban kids were trying to dress like rappers and talk black. Hell, check out the movie Kids from the mid '90s.

 

[PDay8810]

the entertainment remains the very best part

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm Native American Chippewa Indian,and I Support the Washington Redskins with all my Heart. - Hogs Haven

read this

 

[skinsdad62]

How do actual Native Americans feel about the name Redskins?

here is some more , both views

 

[TBBishop]

skinsdad, I admittedly didn't read your 2 links. It really deosn't matter if there are Natives who are fine with the name. There are far too many Natives who are not fine with the name. Far too many who are offended by the name, offended by the logo, offended that the owner and the NFL don't give a shit how they feel about it. I don't consider myself a Native but I do have Native blood and the name is fine with me. But any opinion that the name is fine and should stay is worthless and completely and totally trumped by those who are offended. The name needs to be changed, period.

 

[gkekoa]

Realistically it isn't about color...


it's about character and how you carry yourself.

 

[gkekoa]

I can only imagine where this country will be when my boys are grown.

We should probably be worried that boys can't really be boys when your boys are grown.

We are a hyper-sensitive nation these days whether it's race, religion, sexuality...or

"gender norms." There is a sect of this nation that wants everybody treated exactly the same...not based on merit...but based on being human. Forget strengths and weaknesses...just be the same. Forget you have a penis...just be the same.

It's very disturbing.

 

[TBBishop]

Hold on, you'e not really saying that its disturbing to treat humans like humans are you? Because that's what I get out of what you're saying.

 

[skinsdad62]

skinsdad, I admittedly didn't read your 2 links. It really deosn't matter if there are Natives who are fine with the name. There are far too many Natives who are not fine with the name. Far too many who are offended by the name, offended by the logo, offended that the owner and the NFL don't give a shit how they feel about it. I don't consider myself a Native but I do have Native blood and the name is fine with me. But any opinion that the name is fine and should stay is worthless and completely and totally trumped by those who are offended. The name needs to be changed, period.

well that is a myth . very few are bothered by the name and that is the point

the owner ? and i see nothing wrong with the logo

its just the PC police

 

[Sharkinva]

well that is a myth . very few are bothered by the name and that is the point

the owner ? and i see nothing wrong with the logo

its just the PC police

You know, I always find it funny how people say if one Native American is offended by the name, then it needs to be changed. Yet if one is offended by the political correctness movement they are told they need to get over it and accept the differences of others. IM offended by the use of the word GOD in our pledge of aligence, should it be changed or completely abolished since I as a non believer feel extremely persecuted by having the concept of GOD forced into my life and the lives of my children??

And No Skinsdad, you know Im not faulting you your beliefs. I actually respect the fact that you believe in a higher power.

 

[skinsdad62]

You know, I always find it funny how people say if one Native American is offended by the name, then it needs to be changed. Yet if one is offended by the political correctness movement they are told they need to get over it and accept the differences of others. IM offended by the use of the word GOD in our pledge of aligence, should it be changed or completely abolished since I as a non believer feel extremely persecuted by having the concept of GOD forced into my life and the lives of my children??

And No Skinsdad, you know Im not faulting you your beliefs. I actually respect the fact that you believe in a higher power.

you know i cant get over how someone wants to respond to my stance by saying , well i didnt read those 2 links so i will comment on their content even though i dont know their content

you get a group of people saying the headdress is offensive to their "religion " yet when i show the saints name as offensive that is just glossed over or not addressed . why ? because it shreds that silly argument

you get propaganda about surveys being ten years old or if 1 is offended then it kills it for everyone which is facist

believe me if they had a survey that said 85 % of native americans were offended by the name then it would be all over the news

its just PC foolishness

 

[Sharkinva]

you know i cant get over how someone wants to respond to my stance by saying , well i didnt read those 2 links so i will comment on their content even though i dont know their content

you get a group of people saying the headdress is offensive to their "religion " yet when i show the saints name as offensive that is just glossed over or not addressed . why ? because it shreds that silly argument

you get propaganda about surveys being ten years old or if 1 is offended then it kills it for everyone which is facist

believe me if they had a survey that said 85 % of native americans were offended by the name then it would be all over the news

its just PC foolishness

Figure it like this. We all have the right to be accepting or offended by any and everything. Whats wrong is trying to force ones beliefs or feelings onto another individual. Those that are offended by the name have the right to be offended. What they dont have the right to do is force the team to change its name any more than I have the right to force the country to change its pledge of alligence. I can however refuse to take that pledge based on its premise in a belief that I dont hold.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Figure it like this. We all have the right to be accepting or offended by any and everything. Whats wrong is trying to force ones beliefs or feelings onto another individual. Those that are offended by the name have the right to be offended. What they dont have the right to do is force the team to change its name any more than I have the right to force the country to change its pledge of alligence. I can however refuse to take that pledge based on its premise in a belief that I dont hold.

Amen shark, amen.

 

[RoboticDreams]

skinsdad, I admittedly didn't read your 2 links. It really deosn't matter if there are Natives who are fine with the name. There are far too many Natives who are not fine with the name. Far too many who are offended by the name, offended by the logo, offended that the owner and the NFL don't give a shit how they feel about it. I don't consider myself a Native but I do have Native blood and the name is fine with me. But any opinion that the name is fine and should stay is worthless and completely and totally trumped by those who are offended. The name needs to be changed, period.

I'm offended that you're so uninformed and completely indoctrinated by the liberal mass media. That's what I find offensive.

"I didn't read your links, skinsdad, because they don't conform to what my preconception allows me to take part in." - TBBishop

 

[TBBishop]

well that is a myth . very few are bothered by the name and that is the point

the owner ? and i see nothing wrong with the logo

its just the PC police

Very few is bothered by the name from your point of view. PC police, no PC police, there are plenty of people offended by the name.

 

[TBBishop]

I'm offended that you're so uninformed and completely indoctrinated by the liberal mass media. That's what I find offensive.

"I didn't read your links, skinsdad, because they don't conform to what my preconception allows me to take part in." - TBBishop

Oh, RobiticDreams, you poor soul. The majority of the media simply report the facts. Those pesky facts. Facts tend to say the left is correct and the right are fucking morons. Don't blame the media because you are on the wrong side of the facts.

 

[j_y19]

Oh, RobiticDreams, you poor soul. The majority of the media simply report the facts. Those pesky facts. Facts tend to say the left is correct and the right are fucking morons. Don't blame the media because you are on the wrong side of the facts.

So how do you square the fact that every poll taken of the native american community, the VAST majority do not see a need for a name change? How do you square the fact that many native american high schools have adoted the Redskins as their team name? What facts do you refer to? The only group clamoring for a name change is the PC crowd and the opportunistic media types who jump on the bandwagon once they smell a little blood.

 

[j_y19]

Here is an abbreviated list of high schools that have the mascot Redskins. The majority are in Native American communities. Are the all racists?

A descriptive moniker by itself is not racist. There must be intent meant and taken. Apparently there isn't any racist intent taken by those the name honors as they use it themselves and do not find it an issue.


Anderson High School (Cincinnati, Ohio)[29] In a local controversy twist: Native American student wanted to be mascot.[30]
Arcadia High School (Arcadia, Ohio)
Belding High School, Belding MI
Bryan County High School, Pembroke GA
Caldwell High School (Caldwell, Ohio)
Calaveras High School, San Andreas CA
Camden-Frontier High School, Camden MI
Canister-Greenwood High School, Canisteo NY[36][37]
Capitol Hill (Oklahoma City)
Chowchilla High School, Chowchilla CA[38]
Clinton High School, Clinton MI[39][40]
Conrad Schools of Science, Wilmington DE[41]
Coshocton High School, Coshocton OH[42]
Cuyahoga Heights High School
Donna High School, Donna TX
Dustin High School, Dustin OK[43]
Emmerich Manual High School, Indianapolis IN[44]
Fort Loramie High School, Fort Loramie OH
Goshen High School, Goshen IN[45]
Gustine High School, Gustine CA[46]
Hurricane High School (West Virginia)
Indian Creek High School (Wintersville, Ohio)[47]
Kingston High School, Kingston OK[48] The town population is about 15% Native American
Knox Community High School, Knox IN[49]
La Veta High School, La Veta CO[50]
Lancaster High School (Lancaster, New York)[51]
Ledgemont High School, Thompson OH
Liberal High School (Kansas)
Little River High School, Little River KS[52]
Loudon High School, Loudon TN[53]
Manteo High School, Manteo NC
McLoud High School, McLoud OK[56]
Momence High School, Momence IL[57]
Morris Community High School, Morris IL[58]
Neshaminy High School, Langhorne PA - School officials keep name
Nokomis High School, Nokomis IL[61]
North Side High School (Fort Wayne, Indiana)
Oneonta High School, Oneonta AL[62]
Oriskany High School, Oriskany NY[63]
Paw Paw High School, Paw Paw MI[64]
Pocahontas High School (Arkansas)
Port Townsend High School, Port Townsend WA[65]
Port Clinton High School, Port Clinton OH
Red Mesa High School, Teec Nos Pos AZ (Majority of students Native American)
Ringgold High School, Ringgold LA[66]
Rush Springs High School, Rush Springs OK[67]
Sandusky High School, Sandusky MI[68]
Saranac High School, Saranac MI[69]
Sayre High School, Sayre PA[70]
Shawnee High School, Wolf Lake, Illinois[71]
Social Circle High School, Social Circle GA[72]
St. Johns High School (Arizona)
St. Henry HS, St. Henry OH
Sullivan High School, Sullivan IL[73]
Tulare Union High School, Tulare CA[74]
Union High School (Tulsa, Oklahoma)
Utica High School (Ohio)
Wapakoneta High School, Wapakoneta OH[75]
Wellpinit High School, Wellpinit WA[76] (Majority of students Native American)
Wichita North High School, Wichita KS[77]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Dang j_y, long list of schools. I hadn't realized there were quite that many of them.

 

[Sharkinva]

j_y drops the PESKY Fact.