The Great Con: The 2018 "Progession" of Mitchell Trubisky

[richig07]

It's pretty simple.

Mitch has 3 total anomaly flare-up games in 2018 and then an utterly putrid career across his 36 games collectively.

These 3 games are responsible for the entire mirage that were his total surface numbers in 2018.

Last year, essentially half of his TD passes came from the TB/GB/DET games. Those three games also account for more than one quarter of his total TD passes across his 3 seasons of starting.

THREE SEASONS! Over a quarter of his passing production comes from THREE GAMES.

In those 3 games: 64 for 84 76.1% CMP 944 yards 11.23 Y/A 14.75 Y/C 11 TD's 0 INT's 151 QB Rating

Outside of those three games. His career numbers are as follows:

33 games 622 for 1004 61% CMP 6,334 Yards 6.3 Y/A 10.1 Y/C 30 TD's 25 INT's 79.5 QB Rating

His 2018 numbers are as follows:

11 games 225 for 350 64% CMP 2279 yards 6.5 Y/A 10.1 Y/C 13 TD's (3.7%) 12 INT's (3.4%) 80.8 QB Rating

This is, of course, totally in-line with his career numbers, his 2019 numbers and totally justifies the notion that Trubisky never actually progressed last season. The mirage was created by three huge statistical games against the league's absolute worst.

Trubisky has only ever tenuously grasped the necessary tenants and traits of what is required of being an NFL QB. He has never sustained this for any extended period of time. He only ever grasped them for a full game THREE times. Only THREE times has he played a complete football game and it came against dreadful defenses. The only other game you could argue he was "that guy" from start to finish is his rookie year vs Cincinnati.

It's time to stop making fools of ourselves apologizing for him and face facts. Stop riding the sinking ships like we did with Rex, Kyle and Cutler. Apologizing all the way until the end. Mitch is a horrible NFL starting QB. Even if Nagy is bad. So is he.

It's GLARINGLY obvious to everyone besides the small handful of Bears fans here still clinging onto him. Mitch literally does NOTHING well. NOT ONE THING that is absolutely required of a franchise QB. He does NONE of them.

I don't understand why there is so much loyalty among fans for QB's. If any other position was failing like Mitch; you wouldn't think TWICE about waving goodbye with a gigantic smile. You wouldn't be fabricating and reaching for EVERY possible excuse about CB or DT failing at his job. QB shouldn't be different.

Fan-bases do this constantly with QB's and when you get to this point in a QB's career. How often does it workout? This side of the century. WHO IN THE HELL was in their 3rd year as a starter, was arguably the worst starting QB in football and then went onto be a successful franchise QB? No one. Not one.

I have spoken my peace. Now, go back to your hypotheticals of "if he had a better O-line"... "if he had a better coach"... La-dee-fucking-dah. You hear the same thing with every QB that busts. From fans who can't let go. A coach can't make Mitch feel the pocket better, a coach can't throw the ball for Mitch and he can't sit there reading the field for Mitch.

End of story. It's OVER, JOHNNY! Done! KAPUT! See ya!

 

[Jiddy]

It's not over until we have somebody other than Chase Daniel or Tyler Bray to step in for him.

That's really why it isn't so simple.

Mitch will continue playing...The same sh*t will continue happening...Highly likely we will sign some b-tier QB to "challenge" (read: replace) him in 2020. If that experiment fails and the offense is still monkey sh*t, Nagy is gone...probably Pace too. If the offense shows out under this different QB, then we all will have our answer about Nagy. I have my doubts.

 

[Dolemite censored]

It's pretty simple.

Mitch has 3 total anomaly flare-up games in 2018 and then an utterly putrid career across his 36 games collectively.

These 3 games are responsible for the entire mirage that were his total surface numbers in 2018.

Last year, essentially half of his TD passes came from the TB/GB/DET games. Those three games also account for more than one quarter of his total TD passes across his 3 seasons of starting.

THREE SEASONS! Over a quarter of his passing production comes from THREE GAMES.

In those 3 games: 64 for 84 76.1% CMP 944 yards 11.23 Y/A 14.75 Y/C 11 TD's 0 INT's 151 QB Rating

Outside of those three games. His career numbers are as follows:

33 games 622 for 1004 61% CMP 6,334 Yards 6.3 Y/A 10.1 Y/C 30 TD's 25 INT's 79.5 QB Rating

His 2018 numbers are as follows:

11 games 225 for 350 64% CMP 2279 yards 6.5 Y/A 10.1 Y/C 13 TD's (3.7%) 12 INT's (3.4%) 80.8 QB Rating

This is, of course, totally in-line with his career numbers, his 2019 numbers and totally justifies the notion that Trubisky never actually progressed last season. The mirage was created by three huge statistical games against the league's absolute worst.

Trubisky has only ever tenuously grasped the necessary tenants and traits of what is required of being an NFL QB. He has never sustained this for any extended period of time. He only ever grasped them for a full game THREE times. Only THREE times has he played a complete football game and it came against dreadful defenses. The only other game you could argue he was "that guy" from start to finish is his rookie year vs Cincinnati.

It's time to stop making fools of ourselves apologizing for him and face facts. Stop riding the sinking ships like we did with Rex, Kyle and Cutler. Apologizing all the way until the end. Mitch is a horrible NFL starting QB. Even if Nagy is bad. So is he.

It's GLARINGLY obvious to everyone besides the small handful of Bears fans here still clinging onto him. Mitch literally does NOTHING well. NOT ONE THING that is absolutely required of a franchise QB. He does NONE of them.

I don't understand why there is so much loyalty among fans for QB's. If any other position was failing like Mitch; you wouldn't think TWICE about waving goodbye with a gigantic smile. You wouldn't be fabricating and reaching for EVERY possible excuse about CB or DT failing at his job. QB shouldn't be different.

Fan-bases do this constantly with QB's and when you get to this point in a QB's career. How often does it workout? This side of the century. WHO IN THE HELL was in their 3rd year as a starter, was arguably the worst starting QB in football and then went onto be a successful franchise QB? No one. Not one.

I have spoken my peace. Now, go back to your hypotheticals of "if he had a better O-line"... "if he had a better coach"... La-dee-fucking-dah. You hear the same thing with every QB that busts. From fans who can't let go. A coach can't make Mitch feel the pocket better, a coach can't throw the ball for Mitch and he can't sit there reading the field for Mitch.

End of story. It's OVER, JOHNNY! Done! KAPUT! See ya!

So what do you really think about Trubisky?

 

[richig07]

It's not over until we have somebody other than Chase Daniel or Tyler Bray to step in for him.

That's really why it isn't so simple.

That's not the point I was making by saying "it's over" and I think you realize that.

I am not saying he should be benched tomorrow.

"It's over" means "he does not remotely resemble a franchise QB and is not apart of our long-term future". That was rather self-evident.

That being said... if you have another LAR, Philly, GB or NO type of game. At a certain point, I almost think you have to bench him just because tolerating that level of play consistently without giving another guy a shot? That's a rather horrific message to send to the team. That's a whole other discussion, though. I don't even really know how I feel about that. I would have to think it over more.

Whole other issue. But he's definitely our starter NOW and in 2019. That has nothing to do with this thread.

 

[richig07]

So what do you really think about Trubisky?

I think he's actually really good young man. He seems very likeable, respectful, charming and good looking.

I think he should prepare to settle into a career as a backup QB, maybe do some modeling and marry a really smoking hot chick.

 

[Nelly]

It's pretty simple.

Mitch has 3 total anomaly flare-up games in 2018 and then an utterly putrid career across his 36 games collectively.

These 3 games are responsible for the entire mirage that were his total surface numbers in 2018.

Last year, essentially half of his TD passes came from the TB/GB/DET games. Those three games also account for more than one quarter of his total TD passes across his 3 seasons of starting.

THREE SEASONS! Over a quarter of his passing production comes from THREE GAMES.

In those 3 games: 64 for 84 76.1% CMP 944 yards 11.23 Y/A 14.75 Y/C 11 TD's 0 INT's 151 QB Rating

Outside of those three games. His career numbers are as follows:

33 games 622 for 1004 61% CMP 6,334 Yards 6.3 Y/A 10.1 Y/C 30 TD's 25 INT's 79.5 QB Rating

His 2018 numbers are as follows:

11 games 225 for 350 64% CMP 2279 yards 6.5 Y/A 10.1 Y/C 13 TD's (3.7%) 12 INT's (3.4%) 80.8 QB Rating

This is, of course, totally in-line with his career numbers, his 2019 numbers and totally justifies the notion that Trubisky never actually progressed last season. The mirage was created by three huge statistical games against the league's absolute worst.

Trubisky has only ever tenuously grasped the necessary tenants and traits of what is required of being an NFL QB. He has never sustained this for any extended period of time. He only ever grasped them for a full game THREE times. Only THREE times has he played a complete football game and it came against dreadful defenses. The only other game you could argue he was "that guy" from start to finish is his rookie year vs Cincinnati.

It's time to stop making fools of ourselves apologizing for him and face facts. Stop riding the sinking ships like we did with Rex, Kyle and Cutler. Apologizing all the way until the end. Mitch is a horrible NFL starting QB. Even if Nagy is bad. So is he.

It's GLARINGLY obvious to everyone besides the small handful of Bears fans here still clinging onto him. Mitch literally does NOTHING well. NOT ONE THING that is absolutely required of a franchise QB. He does NONE of them.

I don't understand why there is so much loyalty among fans for QB's. If any other position was failing like Mitch; you wouldn't think TWICE about waving goodbye with a gigantic smile. You wouldn't be fabricating and reaching for EVERY possible excuse about CB or DT failing at his job. QB shouldn't be different.

Fan-bases do this constantly with QB's and when you get to this point in a QB's career. How often does it workout? This side of the century. WHO IN THE HELL was in their 3rd year as a starter, was arguably the worst starting QB in football and then went onto be a successful franchise QB? No one. Not one.

I have spoken my peace. Now, go back to your hypotheticals of "if he had a better O-line"... "if he had a better coach"... La-dee-fucking-dah. You hear the same thing with every QB that busts. From fans who can't let go. A coach can't make Mitch feel the pocket better, a coach can't throw the ball for Mitch and he can't sit there reading the field for Mitch.

End of story. It's OVER, JOHNNY! Done! KAPUT! See ya!

Can't argue with much of that. Assume we can wave a magic wand and solve the issues with the coaching, tight ends and offensive line. I think Mitch would be good enough to have us at 7-4 right now, at which point we would be saying "this team should be at least 9-2 right now but Trubisky can't make plays."

I think what you have to hope for him is that he becomes Alex Smith 2.0 who also had the rap of not being able to throw downfield but could hurt you with his legs. Smith was the 1st overall pick, universally considered a bust but managed to carve out a nice career in KC before getting hurt with the Skins last year. Whether that happens is up in the air, and it almost certainly wouldn't happen with us. The likely scenario is that he's here next year, hopefully with a free agent to push him in training camp, and then gone after next season when his contract is up.

 

[richig07]

Can't argue with much of that. Assume we can wave a magic wand and solve the issues with the coaching, tight ends and offensive line. I think Mitch would be good enough to have us at 7-4 right now, at which point we would be saying "this team should be at least 9-2 right now but Trubisky can't make plays."

I think what you have to hope for him is that he becomes Alex Smith 2.0 who also had the rap of not being able to throw downfield but could hurt you with his legs. Smith was the 1st overall pick, universally considered a bust but managed to carve out a nice career in KC before getting hurt with the Skins last year. Whether that happens is up in the air, and it almost certainly wouldn't happen with us. The likely scenario is that he's here next year, hopefully with a free agent to push him in training camp, and then gone after next season when his contract is up.

By Smith's 37th start and his 3rd full season. He was in the midst of a respectable campaign where his numbers and averages checked in at or above league average. Mitch isn't even close to that.

I would rather just go and sign Alex Smith.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

1. Worst coaching in the NFL.
2. Worst Oline in the NFL.
3. Worst TEs in the NFL.
4. No run game.
5. WRs lead the league in dropped passes.
6. Most wasted gimmick plays on offense in the NFL.
7. Most penalty's on positive offensive plays in the NFL.
8. Most dropped passes by RBs in the NFL.
9. No preseason games played by starters
10. Switching from RPO offense mid season to new scheme call WR bunch. It's where all our WRs run routes within 3 yards of each other leaving defenses laughing so hard they cant catch their breaths.
11. Dumbest fan base that cant comprehend the QB is the least of our problems.

 

[richig07]

1. Worst coaching in the NFL.
2. Worst Oline in the NFL.
3. Worst TEs in the NFL.
4. No run game.
5. WRs lead the league in dropped passes.
6. Most wasted gimmick plays on offense in the NFL.
7. Most penalty's on positive offensive plays in the NFL.
8. Most dropped passes by RBs in the NFL.
9. No preseason games played by starters
10. Switching from RPO offense mid season to new scheme call WR bunch. It's where all our WRs run routes within 3 yards of each other leaving defenses laughing so hard they cant catch their breaths.
11. Dumbest fan base that cant comprehend the QB is the least of our problems.

Aww. That's cute. It's every excuse a bust of a QB ever gets. All rolled into one post.

#1 #2 and #6 are totally arbitrary. The Bears don't have a WR anywhere near the top of the drop list.

Mitch is 9th highest in passes dropped.

2019 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

You also left off "arguably the worst QB in the NFL". Isn't it funny how you're willing to acknowledge EVERY OTHER position's failures as being legitimate under this "horrible coaching". Yet, you excuse the QB? Why? Why is that the one position?

Now, go through the list of things Mitch does horribly. How does Nagy cause Trubisky to not see open receivers, miss open receivers and take unnecessary sacks on a consistent basis? Explain that to me.

Regardless of everything you said and what I have said above. Mitch has never displayed consistency in anything required of a franchise QB. Blame whoever you want... but Mitch still has never shown ANYTHING.

Nagy sucking and Mitch sucking are not mutually exclusive options. They can co-exist. Nagy may be the worst coach in the NFL. Mitch is still terrible.

 

[beardown07]

Aww. That's cute. It's every excuse a bust of a QB ever gets. All rolled into one post.

#1 #2 and #6 are totally arbitrary. The Bears don't have a WR anywhere near the top of the drop list.

Mitch is 9th highest in passes dropped.

2019 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

You also left off "arguably the worst QB in the NFL". Isn't it funny how you're willing to acknowledge EVERY OTHER position's failures as being legitimate under this "horrible coaching". Yet, you excuse the QB? Why? Why is that the one position?

Now, go through the list of things Mitch does horribly. How does Nagy cause Trubisky to not see open receivers, miss open receivers and take unnecessary sacks on a consistent basis? Explain that to me.

Regardless of everything you said and what I have said above. Mitch has never displayed consistency in anything required of a franchise QB. Blame whoever you want... but Mitch still has never shown ANYTHING.

Nagy sucking and Mitch sucking are not mutually exclusive options. They can co-exist. Nagy may be the worst coach in the NFL. Mitch is still terrible.

It starts at the top.


Nagy sucking>>>>>Trubisky sucking.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Aww. That's cute. It's every excuse a bust of a QB ever gets. All rolled into one post.

#1 #2 and #6 are totally arbitrary. The Bears don't have a WR anywhere near the top of the drop list.

Mitch is 9th highest in passes dropped.

2019 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

You also left off "arguably the worst QB in the NFL". Isn't it funny how you're willing to acknowledge EVERY OTHER position's failures as being legitimate under this "horrible coaching". Yet, you excuse the QB? Why? Why is that the one position?

Now, go through the list of things Mitch does horribly. How does Nagy cause Trubisky to not see open receivers, miss open receivers and take unnecessary sacks on a consistent basis? Explain that to me.

Regardless of everything you said and what I have said above. Mitch has never displayed consistency in anything required of a franchise QB. Blame whoever you want... but Mitch still has never shown ANYTHING.

Nagy sucking and Mitch sucking are not mutually exclusive options. They can co-exist. Nagy may be the worst coach in the NFL. Mitch is still terrible.

What QB can grow or succeed with all that is wrong with this offense? I don't not blame Mitch but I do give him a incomplete because no one can judge him fairly with all our other problems. Just like I give Monty a incomplete because I cant judge or blame him with this Oline. Nagy I can blame. Nagy is the problem. Nagy is responsible for the mess.

 

[Jiddy]

Bears fans this morning:

Skinna marinky dinky dink!

Skinna marinky doo!

I

LOVE

YOU!

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Yikes, I'd hate to see the comments on this board if the Bears had lost last night.

 

[NCChiFan]

Where was this offense the first 1/2 of the year? Why did it take the staff this long to figure it out?

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Trubisky played well last night, but I think the cowboys are paper tigers. If he looks like this against Green Bay, then I will start to believe it a little more.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

I have always believed, I have always believed it would take a few years to develop. No Oline Bad play calling and no run game are not excuses they are hurdles and facts. Mitch is reading the field now and the blocking and run game are improving. I still think were a year or so away from a true franchise QB. And I don't care what anyone else thinks as we are all allowed to have our own opinions.

 

[Jiddy]

I have always believed, I have always believed it would take a few years to develop. No Oline Bad play calling and no run game are not excuses they are hurdles and facts. Mitch is reading the field now and the blocking and run game are improving. I still think were a year or so away from a true franchise QB. And I don't care what anyone else thinks as we are all allowed to have our own opinions.

You need to work on your "I told you so" game noon.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

You need to work on your "I told you so" game noon.

I don't do I told you so, were all Bear fans wanting the same thing. I'm a longer term thinker and some of you are instant gratification guys. But I know in the end we'll get to the promised land.

 

[BsGenius]

Have to admit, Trubisky looked great last night. He still lacks touch on deep balls and that INT was awful but overall he played great. There is a glimmer of hope again.

Having said that however, we still must draft a QB next year.

 

[BsGenius]

Word is injury to Roquan is not good. I know the backups played well but this one hurts.