The Grand Incompetency Of NHL Referees

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I just have a hard time understanding how video review would work in offisdes calls. Video review, by nature, requires a stoppage. So do you stop a play to review whether it should have continued on? What if you determine it wasn't offside? You can't just throw the puck on the wing and restart the play. You have to have a faceoff.

It would definitely require some overhead on the league's part, but they could have an off-ice official (or the war room) who immediately video-reviews close plays at the blue line. If they determine that the play was offsides and the play is still in the attacking zone, they could just blow the play dead immediately, rather than reviewing during the next stoppage.

Not advocating for that mind you, just saying...

 

[dash]

Yes it was Barry...

 

[wings-pens2166]

I chose the wrong word in "judgement". I was trying to say it's an easily missed call and at game speed with 3 sets of forward legs and sometimes 4 sets of defensive legs stacked at the blue line and the linesman on one side, it is easy to see how it can be gotten wrong on the ice. It is not a critical call, so I don't think it ever needs to be reviewable.

The big worry I have with reviewing offsides on goal calls is how far back to you go? Teams can be offside and get set up and have 30 or more seconds in the O zone to set up before scoring. Offside would have had zero to do with the goal.

given the speed of the game and all the action going on out there, I think the linesmen do an amazing job with it overall.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I chose the wrong word in "judgement". I was trying to say it's an easily missed call and at game speed with 3 sets of forward legs and sometimes 4 sets of defensive legs stacked at the blue line and the linesman on one side, it is easy to see how it can be gotten wrong on the ice. It is not a critical call, so I don't think it ever needs to be reviewable.

The big worry I have with reviewing offsides on goal calls is how far back to you go? Teams can be offside and get set up and have 30 or more seconds in the O zone to set up before scoring. Offside would have had zero to do with the goal.

I think at the least, something like the Duchene goal (dash's link above) would be covered. And that would definitely be considered a critical call since it was on a breakaway.

But yeah, setting a threshold (5, 10, 15, etc. seconds) would be tough since you'd end up with goals being allowed to stand because they were scored 16 seconds after the missed call.

I guess they could do something like first possession change, similar to a delayed penalty. If the D gets possession of the puck but fails to clear the zone, the missed offsides no longer applies.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

horseshit ^^

Figures you support it since it came after a Flyers game

 

[forty_three]

It would definitely require some overhead on the league's part, but they could have an off-ice official (or the war room) who immediately video-reviews close plays at the blue line. If they determine that the play was offsides and the play is still in the attacking zone, they could just blow the play dead immediately, rather than reviewing during the next stoppage.

Not advocating for that mind you, just saying...

I see the logic, but good gravy what a nightmare.

given the speed of the game and all the action going on out there, I think the linesmen do an amazing job with it overall.

I agree. Like I said there are thousands of calls that are not contested and a few that get blown way up.

I think at the least, something like the Duchene goal (dash's link above) would be covered. And that would definitely be considered a critical call since it was on a breakaway.

But yeah, setting a threshold (5, 10, 15, etc. seconds) would be tough since you'd end up with goals being allowed to stand because they were scored 16 seconds after the missed call.

I guess they could do something like first possession change, similar to a delayed penalty. If the D gets possession of the puck but fails to clear the zone, the missed offsides no longer applies.

Again, I see the logic. But I wish the NHL rule book would get thinner with less caveats.

 

[thedddd]

The contact was deliberate since he was going for the puck I guess the difference he was already in front of the net and not skating toward the net?

 

[Destroydacre]

One of the things the NHL has made the biggest deals over since the 2005 lockout is trying to increase scoring. They could add dozens of goals per year just by overriding their lame brain refs and allowing legitimate goals to stand. For the love of God why is this goal disallowed (this was one of the plays referenced early in the thread):

Wingels No Goal Video - NHL VideoCenter - San Jose Sharks

Also FWIW I think the Philly goal should have counted.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Of course, then there are just horribly blown calls...

[youtube]PT6q-lDiDA0[/youtube]

What's really sad is the kid became a hero to the Yankees & their fans.

 

[Slimpikins]

One of the things the NHL has made the biggest deals over since the 2005 lockout is trying to increase scoring. They could add dozens of goals per year just by overriding their lame brain refs and allowing legitimate goals to stand. For the love of God why is this goal disallowed (this was one of the plays referenced early in the thread):

Wingels No Goal Video - NHL VideoCenter - San Jose Sharks

Also FWIW I think the Philly goal should have counted.

That was a bad call, the worst part is they reviewed it and still git it wrong. The overhead shot clearly shows the pick going in with the goalie never having had 'possession' (covering the pick long enough to warrant a stoppage in play).

 

[RangersReds03]

One of the things the NHL has made the biggest deals over since the 2005 lockout is trying to increase scoring. They could add dozens of goals per year just by overriding their lame brain refs and allowing legitimate goals to stand. For the love of God why is this goal disallowed (this was one of the plays referenced early in the thread):

Wingels No Goal Video - NHL VideoCenter - San Jose Sharks

Also FWIW I think the Philly goal should have counted.

Wow that's just horrendous.

 

[beantownmaniac]

Is this a trick thread? Are you all telling me not only are there incompetent refs but it can go to GRAND incompetency?

 

[forty_three]

What's really sad is the kid became a hero to the Yankees & their fans.

And he ranks third in people most of the citizens of Baltimore consider the worst to have walked the earth behind Art Modell and John Elway. Slightly ahead of Stalin, Hitler and Bin Laden.

But, it was game one. They had four more games to make it not matter and they didn't.





But I'd still stab that kid with bullets if I got the chance.

 

[elocomotive]

But I'd still stab that kid with bullets if I got the chance.

I'm not sure you understand how guns work, but I agree with your sentiment.

Jeffrey Fucking Maier. I love that his Wiki page says... "See also: Steve Bartman"

 

[Comeds]

And he ranks third in people most of the citizens of Baltimore consider the worst to have walked the earth behind Art Modell and John Elway. Slightly ahead of Stalin, Hitler and Bin Laden.

But, it was game one. They had four more games to make it not matter and they didn't.





But I'd still stab that kid with bullets if I got the chance.

You just make stuff up to make Baltimore fans look silly. As if most of the citizens here know who Stalin was.....

"That Russian leader was Stylin'!"

 

[elocomotive]

You just make stuff up to make Baltimore fans look silly. As if most of the citizens here know who Stalin was.....

Wasn't he the O's second basemen after Lenn Sakata?

 

[forty_three]

You just make stuff up to make Baltimore fans look silly. As if most of the citizens here know who Stalin was.....

"That Russian leader was Stylin'!"

I was going to say O'Malley, Hitler and Bin Laden but didn't think most would get the joke.

 

[Destroydacre]

That was a bad call, the worst part is they reviewed it and still git it wrong. The overhead shot clearly shows the pick going in with the goalie never having had 'possession' (covering the pick long enough to warrant a stoppage in play).

Exactly. The NHL needs to quit pretending like their officials never make mistakes and say, "Hey you f'ed up, you're wrong, that's a goal." But heaven forbid the NHL actually correcting one of their officials.

 

[pixburgher66]

He was offsides.


Oh hey! Look! Brooks Orpik was out of position!

 

[Comeds]

He was offsides.


Oh hey! Look! Brooks Orpik was out of position!

tough call for sure, I can't tell for certain