The Football Thread

[nuraman00]

How does the clock work if a pass is thrown, it bounces off the receiver's hands, and hits the ground in bounds?

 

[MHSL82]

How does the clock work if a pass is thrown, it bounces off the receiver's hands, and hits the ground in bounds?

Incomplete pass, clock stops. Only a tackle in bounds continues the clock, whether the player with the ball caught the pass, recovered a fumble, intercepted call mom stole the ball out of the other players hands, ran with it or both.

 

[nuraman00]

How does the clock work at the end of a quarter? Does the ball have to be snapped before the clock reads 0:00?

Or does a team have to score before 0:00?

Look at all the stuff that's happening when there's 0:00 in the 4th quarter clock!


Also, how does the clock work on an incomplete pass? Does it stop as soon as the pass is not caught? Or does a player have to touch the missed ball? Or does a team have to have possession of the missed ball, and then be "down" on the field for the clock to stop?

Incomplete pass, clock stops. Only a tackle in bounds continues the clock, whether the player with the ball caught the pass, recovered a fumble, intercepted call mom stole the ball out of the other players hands, ran with it or both.

At 0:16 in this clip, the ball hits the ground. Why isn't it a dead ball? The announcer even says the ball "hits the turf".

 

[MHSL82]

At 0:16 in this clip, the ball hits the ground. Why isn't it a dead ball? The announcer even says the ball "hits the turf".

If the ball goes backwards, it’s not considered a pass. Instead it would be a fumble just like if somebody dropped it and the other player picked it up.

 

[nuraman00]

If the ball goes backwards, it’s not considered a pass. Instead it would be a fumble just like if somebody dropped it and the other player picked it up.

This is dumb.

It is barely backwards, and hard to determine in real time.

Apparently the ball starts being thrown at the 35 yard line:


And hits the ground at the 36 yard line:


I think if the ball leaves your hand, it's a throw.

And I think the intent was probably to throw it forward.

 

[nuraman00]

This is why football rules on what a throw is, what a catch is, and when the clock runs, are too confusing.

 

[MHSL82]

This is dumb.

It is barely backwards, and hard to determine in real time.

Apparently the ball starts being thrown at the 35 yard line:


And hits the ground at the 36 yard line:


I think if the ball leaves your hand, it's a throw.

And I think the intent was probably to throw it forward.

When the play is live, it wouldn’t be intentionally thrown forward, because you can only have one forward pass on a play, and once you go beyond the line of scrimmage, which is where you start the play, you can’t pass forward. This play only happens when there’s basically no time on the clock and the player with the ball feels like they are either going to be tackled or go out of bounds. And technically, there’s a thing called a lateral password doesn’t go forward at all or backwards.

 

[nuraman00]

When the play is live, it wouldn’t be intentionally thrown forward, because you can only have one forward pass on a play, and once you go beyond the line of scrimmage, which is where you start the play, you can’t pass forward. This play only happens when there’s basically no time on the clock and the player with the ball feels like they are either going to be tackled or go out of bounds. And technically, there’s a thing called a lateral password doesn’t go forward at all or backwards.

More rules!

Players should be able to throw the ball wherever they want. Forward, backwards, laterally, into a 4th dimension.

 

[nuraman00]

What's the penalty for throwing forward twice?

 

[MHSL82]

What's the penalty for throwing forward twice?

They penalize from the spot of the pass,10 yards back, so even if you advance, you there’s no benefit. I think you also lose the down, so if you have two forward passes on first down, it would be 2nd and 20 instead of first and 20.

 

[MHSL82]

More rules!

Players should be able to throw the ball wherever they want. Forward, backwards, laterally, into a 4th dimension.

Football is really easy to understand the rules to me. I have people tell me that rules are hard in football, but I don’t understand why.

1. You want to get the ball to the other end of the field.
2. You want to stop the other team from getting to the other end.
3. You have four attempts to get 10 yards.
4. You can get those 10 yards by passing or running the ball.
5. You can pass forward once or backwards/lateral however many times you want.
6. If the ball hits the ground on a lateral or backwards pass, it’s a fumble, either team can get it.
7. You can kick it to the other team anytime you want but it’s almost always on the fourth attempt.
8. If you try to get it on fourth attempt and don’t, it’s their ball at that spot.
9. If the other team catches it, it’s theirs. You have to tackle them or force them out of bounds before they get to the end zone.
10. If you have the ball and drop it (not a pass) and the other team gets it, it’s theirs. You have to tackle them or force them out of bounds before they get to the end zone.
11. You can’t “foul” a receiver because that would be pass interference. Defense would be too easy.
12. You can’t block a player by grabbing them, as holds would make it too easy to get someone open, stop a tackle, or prevent the offense from moving.
13. You can’t hit somebody with the crown of your helmet to their head or hit them when they are blindsided receiving the ball.
14. You can’t hit the quarterback, after he has released the ball, within reasonable exceptions like when you have jumped at him while the ball was still in his hands and you want to go before you get there. You can’t hit a player after the play is over.
13. You have a playclock to start a play. Clock continues unless there’s an incomplete pass, they go out of bounds, etc.
14. 6 points for a touchdown plus one (kick) or two (pass/run). 3 points for a field goal.
16. If you are tackled in the end zone that you’re not trying to go to, it’s two points for the other team. And you have to kick it to them. The reason for this is because they don’t want you to purposely give up two points just to get the ball closer to the end zone to get seven.

Because you think of everything: if you get possession starting in the end zone and are tackled or kneel, this is not two points for the other team. You get the ball at the 20 yard line to start your possession. You also have the choice after you get the ball to keep running towards your goal but if you’re tackled short of the 20, you’re down there. So you could lose yards technically why not kneeling.

You can’t call time out while plays being run. You can run out of bounds if you want or purposely kneel or slide to end the play.

 

[MHSL82]

Anything else is just a small detail just like you have in soccer or basketball.

 

[nuraman00]

Football is really easy to understand the rules to me. I have people tell me that rules are hard in football, but I don’t understand why.

1. You want to get the ball to the other end of the field.
2. You want to stop the other team from getting to the other end.
3. You have four attempts to get 10 yards.
4. You can get those 10 yards by passing or running the ball.
5. You can pass forward once or backwards/lateral however many times you want.
6. If the ball hits the ground on a lateral or backwards pass, it’s a fumble, either team can get it.
7. You can kick it to the other team anytime you want but it’s almost always on the fourth attempt.
8. If you try to get it on fourth attempt and don’t, it’s their ball at that spot.
9. If the other team catches it, it’s theirs. You have to tackle them or force them out of bounds before they get to the end zone.
10. If you have the ball and drop it (not a pass) and the other team gets it, it’s theirs. You have to tackle them or force them out of bounds before they get to the end zone.
11. You can’t “foul” a receiver because that would be pass interference. Defense would be too easy.
12. You can’t block a player by grabbing them, as holds would make it too easy to get someone open, stop a tackle, or prevent the offense from moving.
13. You can’t hit somebody with the crown of your helmet to their head or hit them when they are blindsided receiving the ball.
14. You can’t hit the quarterback, after he has released the ball, within reasonable exceptions like when you have jumped at him while the ball was still in his hands and you want to go before you get there. You can’t hit a player after the play is over.
13. You have a playclock to start a play. Clock continues unless there’s an incomplete pass, they go out of bounds, etc.
14. 6 points for a touchdown plus one (kick) or two (pass/run). 3 points for a field goal.
16. If you are tackled in the end zone that you’re not trying to go to, it’s two points for the other team. And you have to kick it to them. The reason for this is because they don’t want you to purposely give up two points just to get the ball closer to the end zone to get seven.

Because you think of everything: if you get possession starting in the end zone and are tackled or kneel, this is not two points for the other team. You get the ball at the 20 yard line to start your possession. You also have the choice after you get the ball to keep running towards your goal but if you’re tackled short of the 20, you’re down there. So you could lose yards technically why not kneeling.

You can’t call time out while plays being run. You can run out of bounds if you want or purposely kneel or slide to end the play.

Good post.

It sounds easier when you say it.

It's not when watching a game.

 

[nuraman00]

5. You can pass forward once or backwards/lateral however many times you want.

I don't like this.

 

[nuraman00]

Tennis is the simplest sport.

Tennis has one rule: "Hit the ball to the other side of the court, in the in bounds area, before the ball bounces twice on your side, without crossing over to the other side yourself or touching the net".

It would be good if football could be so simple too.

Baseball also has a lot of conditions in its rules, making some plays hard to follow.

Here's a professional player who didn't know you couldn't go to the other side of the net.

 

[nuraman00]

Football is really easy to understand the rules to me. I have people tell me that rules are hard in football, but I don’t understand why.

1. You want to get the ball to the other end of the field.
2. You want to stop the other team from getting to the other end.
3. You have four attempts to get 10 yards.
4. You can get those 10 yards by passing or running the ball.
5. You can pass forward once or backwards/lateral however many times you want.
6. If the ball hits the ground on a lateral or backwards pass, it’s a fumble, either team can get it.
7. You can kick it to the other team anytime you want but it’s almost always on the fourth attempt.
8. If you try to get it on fourth attempt and don’t, it’s their ball at that spot.
9. If the other team catches it, it’s theirs. You have to tackle them or force them out of bounds before they get to the end zone.
10. If you have the ball and drop it (not a pass) and the other team gets it, it’s theirs. You have to tackle them or force them out of bounds before they get to the end zone.
11. You can’t “foul” a receiver because that would be pass interference. Defense would be too easy.
12. You can’t block a player by grabbing them, as holds would make it too easy to get someone open, stop a tackle, or prevent the offense from moving.
13. You can’t hit somebody with the crown of your helmet to their head or hit them when they are blindsided receiving the ball.
14. You can’t hit the quarterback, after he has released the ball, within reasonable exceptions like when you have jumped at him while the ball was still in his hands and you want to go before you get there. You can’t hit a player after the play is over.
13. You have a playclock to start a play. Clock continues unless there’s an incomplete pass, they go out of bounds, etc.
14. 6 points for a touchdown plus one (kick) or two (pass/run). 3 points for a field goal.
16. If you are tackled in the end zone that you’re not trying to go to, it’s two points for the other team. And you have to kick it to them. The reason for this is because they don’t want you to purposely give up two points just to get the ball closer to the end zone to get seven.

Because you think of everything: if you get possession starting in the end zone and are tackled or kneel, this is not two points for the other team. You get the ball at the 20 yard line to start your possession. You also have the choice after you get the ball to keep running towards your goal but if you’re tackled short of the 20, you’re down there. So you could lose yards technically why not kneeling.

You can’t call time out while plays being run. You can run out of bounds if you want or purposely kneel or slide to end the play.

Another rule: You can stick out your arm, but your hand has to be open ("a stiff arm"), not closed. Closing your hand would be considered a punch.

 

[MHSL82]

Tennis is the simplest sport.

Tennis has one rule: "Hit the ball to the other side of the court, in the in bounds area, before the ball bounces twice on your side, without crossing over to the other side yourself or touching the net".

It would be good if football could be so simple too.

Baseball also has a lot of conditions in its rules, making some plays hard to follow.

Here's a professional player who didn't know you couldn't go to the other side of the net.

Football without their rules would be rugby. Play would never end until it goes out of bounds or a tackle. Possession would change so many times, if an incomplete pass were treated like fumbles. Clock would be used up quicker if an incomplete pass did not stop the clock. But it would be too long if a tackle stopped the clock. Reason is a tackle has the ball near the new line of scrimmage. Incomplete pass could be anywhere. You couldn’t stop the clock with a spike. You could use a different ball to minimize time loss, and they do use different balls (same size, just physically a different ball), but I like the clock stopping there. (There is a
kicking ball, too, but you can kick either that or the regular ball, depending on time.)

 

[nuraman00]

What's wrong with allowing multiple forward passes?

 

[nuraman00]

Another rule: You can stick out your arm, but your hand has to be open ("a stiff arm"), not closed. Closing your hand would be considered a punch.

Why are stiff arms allowed?

Or, why are stiff arms allowed, but not closed fists? Seems like either neither should be allowed, or both.

 

[MHSL82]

What's wrong with allowing multiple forward passes?

It would be absolutely awful if you could make multiple forward passes. I wouldn’t like football if you could. It would end up being like soccer or like lacrosse in a way that you would just constantly throw it anytime somebody tries to tackle you. There would be multiple changes of possession, over and over, and then, there would be backward passes like soccer. There would be times where you just stay on the one side of the field back-and-forth. Shutter.