The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[Mecca]

Looking at OKC remaining schedule, they're likely going to end up with 56-58 wins in a year they were projected to win 44ish games.

If you don't give it to SGA this year then when will he ever get this award? Him repeating the same year next season while OKC goes 54-28 as a 3 seed won't get him shit. This should be his year but it won't be

It doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Joker has been terrific.

SGA has been better…imo

 

[Stakesarehigh]

It doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Joker has been terrific.

SGA has been better…imo

nba voters are lazy

 

[The Q]

It doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Joker has been terrific.

SGA has been better…imo

There’s nothing statically that backs that up though

 

[Mecca]

There’s nothing statically that backs that up though

My eyes back it up.

Take SGA off the floor, what are the Thunder?

Not saying Denver would be a juggernaut with no Joker.

Not saying Joker doesn’t deserve consideration.

But he hasn’t been the best player this year.

 

[Mecca]

D Rose won MVP over Howard and goddamn Lebron James with this stat line .

You can’t tell me that the Bulls surprisingly finishing top of the mountain didn’t play a hand in that.

SGA deserves the same consideration….imo


At just 22 years old, D-Rose became the youngest MVP in NBA history, averaging 25 points, 7.7 assists, and 4.1 rebounds, all while leading the Bulls to a 62-20 record and the number 1 seed in the Eastern Conference.

 

[The Q]

D Rose won MVP over Howard and goddamn Lebron James with this stat line .

You can’t tell me that the Bulls surprisingly finishing top of the mountain didn’t play a hand in that.

SGA deserves the same consideration….imo


At just 22 years old, D-Rose became the youngest MVP in NBA history, averaging 25 points, 7.7 assists, and 4.1 rebounds, all while leading the Bulls to a 62-20 record and the number 1 seed in the Eastern Conference.

And that choice has aged horrifically


This would be like that

Not as bad, but still it would be closer to that than actually deserving it

 

[Mecca]

And that choice has aged horrifically


This would be like that

Not as bad, but still it would be closer to that than actually deserving it

No.

Both guys have a case.

I am not a Jokic hater.

He is fantastic.

If he wins, nobody should riot.

But I would still think it was the wrong call.

You are acting like Rose/SGA are in the Nash category of stolen MVPs.

This would be more like when Joker beat Embiid.

Both worthy.

Like with SGA, I felt Joel was a tad bit better.

 

[shopson67]

My eyes back it up.

Take SGA off the floor, what are the Thunder?

Not saying Denver would be a juggernaut with no Joker.

Not saying Joker doesn’t deserve consideration.

But he hasn’t been the best player this year.

So is it best player or the most important to his team?

 

[shopson67]

Just to piss off our token math denier...

PIE Formula=(PTS + FGM + FTM – FGA – FTA + Deff.REB + Off.REB/2 + AST + STL + BLK/2 – PF – TO) / (Game.PTS + Game.FGM + Game.FTM – Game.FGA – Game.FTA + Game.Deff.REB + Game.Off.REB/2 + Game.AST + Game.STL + Game.BLK/2 – Game.PF – Game.TO)

Player Impact Estimate (P.I.E.)

1.	Nikola Jokic DEN	21.1
2.	Luka Doncic DAL	20.2
3.	Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL	19.8
4.	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC	19.1
5.	Domantas Sabonis SAC	17.0
6.	Anthony Davis LAL	16.5
6.	LeBron James LAL	16.5
8.	Victor Wembanyama SAS	16.0
9.	Tyrese Haliburton IND	15.9
10.	Kawhi Leonard LAC	15.6

 

[Mecca]

So is it best player or the most important to his team?

Here’s the thing….

SGA is kinda both.

Same case can be made for Joker.

It’s about preference.

To say that stats don’t back up a case being made for the kid in OKC would also be based on preference.

Preference on what stats you see as valuable.

 

[thunderc]

He's not even putting up Lebron stats from 23-24. A few more shots netting a few more ppg, fewer rebounds, fewer assists, lower 3%. Better steals/blocks/TOs. Is Lebron an MVP candidate? Doesn't seem so.

All I said was his numbers are at or better than what MJ and Lebron put up in their first mvp years. The actual numbers are in another post somewhere.

 

[thunderc]

Without math you don't have a final score. Sports are built on math.

Look at the top of the western conference standings, that’s math

 

[Mecca]

Just to piss off our token math denier...

PIE Formula=(PTS + FGM + FTM – FGA – FTA + Deff.REB + Off.REB/2 + AST + STL + BLK/2 – PF – TO) / (Game.PTS + Game.FGM + Game.FTM – Game.FGA – Game.FTA + Game.Deff.REB + Game.Off.REB/2 + Game.AST + Game.STL + Game.BLK/2 – Game.PF – Game.TO)

Player Impact Estimate (P.I.E.)

1.	Nikola Jokic DEN	21.1
2.	Luka Doncic DAL	20.2
3.	Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL	19.8
4.	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC	19.1
5.	Domantas Sabonis SAC	17.0
6.	Anthony Davis LAL	16.5
6.	LeBron James LAL	16.5
8.	Victor Wembanyama SAS	16.0
9.	Tyrese Haliburton IND	15.9
10.	Kawhi Leonard LAC	15.6

I’m leaving before the meltdown ensues.

 

[Mecca]

Look at the top of the western conference standings, that’s math

If wins and loses don’t matter, just stats, give it to Luka.

 

[thunderc]

If wins and loses don’t matter, just stats, give it to Luka.

The Coach of the Year race is over right?

 

[Mecca]

The Coach of the Year race is over right?

I’m not actually paying attention.

I think ROY and MVP are.

 

[thunderc]

I’m not actually paying attention.

I think ROY and MVP are.

ROY definitely is

 

[Mecca]

ROY definitely is

They both are.


According to Basketball Reference, Jokic sits in a clear lead at the top with a 47.3% chance to win the MVP award. Gilgeous-Alexander is in second place at 16.8%, slightly ahead of Giannis Antetokounmpo at 13.7%..

https://www.si.com/nba/thunder/news/despite-being-second-in-odds-shai-gilgeous-alexanders-mvp-case-seems-like-a-long-shot

 

[Mecca]

 

[Mecca]