TEBOW SUCKS!!!

[Wings]

Barkley. 5/9 28 yards 61 QB rating
Tebow. 2/2 15 Yards. 98 rating

Interesting that they tried Tebow as a 2 point specialist.

Barkley had 2 perfect balls just dropped....But you just love your stats.

 

[Wings]

I read an article that suggests cutting both Tebow and Barkley while using Trey Burton (who was a converted QB at Florida) as your emergency #3 ... thus allowing for an extra roster spot. Tebow keeps proving that his immediate future is in a booth and not a football field.

Again, everyone is forgetting how much money Sanchez is making to be a backup......So we are not developing a backup qb? So just give up on Barkley?

 

[deerpathdave]

Again, everyone is forgetting how much money Sanchez is making to be a backup......So we are not developing a backup qb? So just give up on Barkley?

Hardly a rash decision after 3 years. Every other week you hear another report about Barkley being offered for trade. It seems clear that Kelly doesn't like the guy.

 

[old duke]

Personally, he likes him, but it seems he's seen enough to know that he won't be a long term backup. So, if he gets a pic for him, he'll pull the plug, if not, he may cut him, and maybe add him to the PS. If Chip sees a young QB with a lot of potential, he may try to gt him as a FA, or even trade a conditional 7th round pick for him.

 

[L.Freamon]

I'd ride w/Barkley 1 more year

 

[I miss Dawkins]

I've said all along neither look good. How in the world anyone can look at Barkley and start to tug on his nuts has any credibility. That's just man love. Barkley is close to done in the NFL. And Teblow blows. But if I'm making a playoff run, and down to my 3rd - I want a vet, and someone that simply won't lose the game - not a developmental player that will make all the rookie mistakes trying to prove himself. Thus in that situation teblow wins hands down over Barkley. It's just not even close.

 

[PhillyGreen]

I've said all along neither look good. How in the world anyone can look at Barkley and start to tug on his nuts has any credibility. That's just man love. Barkley is close to done in the NFL. And Teblow blows. But if I'm making a playoff run, and down to my 3rd - I want a vet, and someone that simply won't lose the game - not a developmental player that will make all the rookie mistakes trying to prove himself. Thus in that situation teblow wins hands down over Barkley. It's just not even close.

Then you do not want Tebow other. He is not what I would consider a veteran QB. He started a handful of games one season for Denver and that is it. Has been out of the NFL for 2 years. Barkley is more of a veteran than he is if we are going to be totally honest. He has been on an NFL roster longer.

 

[deerpathdave]

Then you do not want Tebow other. He is not what I would consider a veteran QB. He started a handful of games one season for Denver and that is it. Has been out of the NFL for 2 years. Barkley is more of a veteran than he is if we are going to be totally honest. He has been on an NFL roster longer.

There you go again playing fast and loose with the facts. Fact is that Barkley has been rostered for 34 games and been active for 4, playing a significant amount in 2 games. Both lossses with QBRs of 32 and 65. Tebow has been rostered for 50 games, been active for 37 and played a significant role in 14 games with an 8-6 record. His QBR numbers blow Barkley away.

In this thread alone you have.
- Mischaracterized Tebow's yards per game.
- misstated the 3rd QB rule.
- misstated Barkley's career games.
- Characterized Tebow's passing as horrible based on completion percentage while totally ignoring the other passing statistics.
- By any measure, 14 starts is more than a "handful".

Today, Barkley is arguably in a dead heat battle for a number 3 job with Tebow, despite being in his third year in the system against a guy with just one training camp in Kelly's system. If Barkley was any good, this would not be close, and in fact, Kelly would not have spent the big bucks to re-sign Sanchez. If Barkley were performing to his expectations he would be competing with Sanchez, not Tebow.

The continued hate I see for Tebow out of both Philly Green and Wings is irrational and must be a an anti-Tebowmania response. Note that I say Ant-Tebowmania and not Anti-Tebow. I believe there is a large group of people out there that don't have any real issue with Tebow, but hate the groups that follow them. As Wings states, the Bible thumpers and women. Now I know you are going to say you don't hate Women or religion, and I buy that, but I do believe you don't want either encroaching on your football time.

 

[TheSnowdog]

I’m not trumpeting Barkley to be the groomed QB of the future
I don’t think he is going to be anything other than a clipboard holder and emergency situation QB

In my opinion stats or no stats Barkley looks like an actual QB compared to Tebow this preseason
I’m not saying Barkley is playing lights out or anything and if it came right down to him I would not be comfortable at all with Barkley playing any significant time at QB

Tebow just does not look like a QB in any shape or form - it is painful to watch
And if Kelly wants to keep him on as the 3rd stringer because of possibly using him in goal line situations my response to that is why?
The Eagles are loaded at running back - I would prefer to go with any of the running backs versus Tebow

It’s too bad the Eagles couldn’t find a way to grab Hundley
He looked like a good promising QB out there for Green Bay

I wouldn’t have a problem with the Eagles cutting both Barkley and Tebow and seeing who else is out there vet wise as Dawkins said
I don’t think Tebow is that veteran. I live in the Denver area and he was just a horrible QB.
A lot of games he would stink up the joint for 3 quarters and then in the 4th scramble for some runs and then complete some passes when the defense focused on his runs. It seemed to be a lot of hocus locus and bad defense out there and not actually good QB play.

And as far as hating on the Tebow mania yes back then I couldn’t stand the mania. I would go out after Broncos games and the first thing I would be hit with would be “Isn’t that Tebow great!” noise. It was very irritating the nut sucking that fans did.

But as for my opinion now that is not what is going on - I just don’t think he is a good QB or any QB for that matter
I came into the preseason with an open mind but I’m just not seeing it
If Kelly decides to keep him I’ll disagree with it but hey I’ll root for him to do well and will admit that I was wrong if he does play well or even decent

It is all about the Eagles success for me

 

[old duke]

It is all about the Eagles success for me

Me too! I think all of us. I like Tebow a lot, but want the best QBs possible for us. I echo'd what Dawk said too. We'll see what moves Chip makes over the next week/10 days.

 

[PhillyGreen]

There you go again playing fast and loose with the facts. Fact is that Barkley has been rostered for 34 games and been active for 4, playing a significant amount in 2 games. Both lossses with QBRs of 32 and 65. Tebow has been rostered for 50 games, been active for 37 and played a significant role in 14 games with an 8-6 record. His QBR numbers blow Barkley away.

And I have repeatedly stated that there is not enough sampling of Barkley to actually make an assessment. He has a total of 50 pass attempts and while bad I can't say that is not to be expected. I am not making excuses for Barkley. I don't think he is anything special. I just think he is better the Tebow.

In this thread alone you have.
- Mischaracterized Tebow's yards per game.
- misstated the 3rd QB rule.
- misstated Barkley's career games.
- Characterized Tebow's passing as horrible based on completion percentage while totally ignoring the other passing statistics.
- By any measure, 14 starts is more than a "handful".

I did not mischaracterize his yards per game. I just listed a fact. Tim Tebow: Career Stats at NFL.com I mean those are his career stats. Even the year where he played considerable time he still only averaged 123 yards a game. I am sure you will counter with Barkley not being any better. The kid has 50 attempts. He has never even started an NFL game. Tebow has started a good number and his stats are horrible. You may then counter that Tebow wins games. Well shit so did Nick Foles. What does it mean? QB's don't win games. Teams do.

yes i mistated the 3rd QB rule and actually admitted I was wrong. Beginning to see why so many here think you are a jackass. This has nothing to do with the debate itself.

Mistated Barkley's career games? WTF does that have to do with anything. I don't even recall mentioning his games. Not saying I did not do it but I put a large focus on his total pass attempts.

I am willing to concede that 14 stats are more than a handful.

The continued hate I see for Tebow out of both Philly Green and Wings is irrational and must be a an anti-Tebowmania response. Note that I say Ant-Tebowmania and not Anti-Tebow. I believe there is a large group of people out there that don't have any real issue with Tebow, but hate the groups that follow them. As Wings states, the Bible thumpers and women. Now I know you are going to say you don't hate Women or religion, and I buy that, but I do believe you don't want either encroaching on your football time.

I don't hate Tebow at all. I think he is a horrible QB. I am entitled to that opinion. Just because I think he is bad does not mean I have any dislike or hate for him. He has not show me he has what it takes to be an NFL QB.

 

[deerpathdave]

And I have repeatedly stated that there is not enough sampling of Barkley to actually make an assessment. He has a total of 50 pass attempts and while bad I can't say that is not to be expected. I am not making excuses for Barkley. I don't think he is anything special. I just think he is better the Tebow.



I did not mischaracterize his yards per game. I just listed a fact. Tim Tebow: Career Stats at NFL.com I mean those are his career stats. Even the year where he played considerable time he still only averaged 123 yards a game. I am sure you will counter with Barkley not being any better. The kid has 50 attempts. He has never even started an NFL game. Tebow has started a good number and his stats are horrible. You may then counter that Tebow wins games. Well shit so did Nick Foles. What does it mean? QB's don't win games. Teams do.

yes i mistated the 3rd QB rule and actually admitted I was wrong. Beginning to see why so many here think you are a jackass. This has nothing to do with the debate itself.

Mistated Barkley's career games? WTF does that have to do with anything. I don't even recall mentioning his games. Not saying I did not do it but I put a large focus on his total pass attempts.

I am willing to concede that 14 stats are more than a handful.



I don't hate Tebow at all. I think he is a horrible QB. I am entitled to that opinion. Just because I think he is bad does not mean I have any dislike or hate for him. He has not show me he has what it takes to be an NFL QB.

lol.

- Philly in post 26 you were at 69 yards per game and now your at 123.
- In post 127 you said that Barkley had been on an NFL roster for longer than Tebow when he has been on one for one less year. Now you say Who cares. You brought it up, not me.
- Now you say in post 131 that Barkley has never started a game when in actually he did in his first year.

You are entitled to your opinion, but what you are not entitled to is to continuously spout off inaccurate information. That is really the reason why I continue to engage is not that you have a differing opinion, but rather that you are so often, simply wrong in the information you provide and I feel compelled to correct it.

 

[eaglesnut]

If Cassel gets cut as rumored in Buffalo (so they save the 4.5M they were giving him when they thought he'd be their starter) we should pick him up as the 3rd QB. He shredded us a couple years ago, lost a job to one of the next great ones in Teddy Bridgewater, and isn't good enough to keep Buffalo from seeing what they have in Taylor. He can probably get the ball to where it needs to go in this offense.

 

[deerpathdave]

If Cassel gets cut as rumored in Buffalo (so they save the 4.5M they were giving him when they thought he'd be their starter) we should pick him up as the 3rd QB. He shredded us a couple years ago, lost a job to one of the next great ones in Teddy Bridgewater, and isn't good enough to keep Buffalo from seeing what they have in Taylor. He can probably get the ball to where it needs to go in this offense.

True enough. The issue is the player has a vote and why would Cassel come to a team as a third stringer? And why would the Eagles pay him anything above the minimum? Better for Cassel to find a 2nd string job somewhere. He can wait it out a little if need be and wait for the next injury to happen.

 

[eaglesnut]

True enough. The issue is the player has a vote and why would Cassel come to a team as a third stringer? And why would the Eagles pay him anything above the minimum? Better for Cassel to find a 2nd string job somewhere. He can wait it out a little if need be and wait for the next injury to happen.

Where? The backup jobs are filled. It'll be 3rd string for him wherever he goes, if he goes anywhere at all.

He could wait, or he could have gamechecks rolling in.

 

[deerpathdave]

Where? The backup jobs are filled. It'll be 3rd string for him wherever he goes, if he goes anywhere at all.

He could wait, or he could have gamechecks rolling in.

If Brady doesn't win his appeal, perhaps the Patriots shell out some good money to have a better safety blanket than Ryan Lindley for Garroppolo. That really makes sense with his experience there.

Any of a these 8 teams could also decide to upgrade their backup....

25. T.J. Yates, Falcons
26. AJ McCarron, Bengals
27. Luke McCown, Saints
28. Ryan Nassib, Giants
29. Dan Orlovsky, Lions
30. Jimmy Clausen, Bears
31. Johnny Manziel, Browns
32. Blaine Gabbert, 49ers

 

[eaglesnut]

The Falcons traded for Yates, IIRC
McCarron was just drafted, but is hurt. I guess.
McCown has been the Saints backup for years.
Nassib was just drafted, and Eli's never missed a game.
Orlovksy beat out Kellen Moore to earn the backup job.
With the bottom 3 there is more chance of proving he's done, than proving he has something left.

I'm not saying any of those aren't options for him, but if the Eagles made an offer it wouldn't be hard to imagine it being the most attractive. And what if Cassel has coaching aspirations? Why not check out what Chip is doing?

 

[deerpathdave]

The Falcons traded for Yates, IIRC
McCarron was just drafted, but is hurt. I guess.
McCown has been the Saints backup for years.
Nassib was just drafted, and Eli's never missed a game.
Orlovksy beat out Kellen Moore to earn the backup job.
With the bottom 3 there is more chance of proving he's done, than proving he has something left.

I'm not saying any of those aren't options for him, but if the Eagles made an offer it wouldn't be hard to imagine it being the most attractive. And what if Cassel has coaching aspirations? Why not check out what Chip is doing?

- With the Bears he may think there is a pathway to a starting job. Its not clear that Cutler lasts beyond this season.
- Similarly with Kap, he was the last coaches guy and his performance is uneven.
- And with the Browns, you can make a good case he could end up starting this year.

Still, the Pats are slam dunk IMO. Back to an offense he already knows and had success with, and if Jimmy G falters, he may get a few starts in early on..

 

[Iggloo]

 

[Iggloo]