Taking over a keeper league roster

[tlance]

fine, he is higher, but if you take him you are at a distinct disadvantage at WR and RB no matter what... Lets just say he keeps murray and Graham(we all agree he keeps Graham). then he must draft a QB in the next 2 rounds and then he would have to Draft a WR right away too... So the RB 2 will be at best in the 4th round after keepers... That is saying that He will most likely have a very weak RB 2... So then he will Have a weak RB 1 and a weak RB 2... and still have weak WRs and QB... Only Graham at TE will be a strength... Compare him to the rest of the teams and he is at a distinct disadvantage... If he Keeps Dalton or Wilson, then first round draft the best QB available, he will now be strong at QB and TE, and he can still have decent WRs- by drafting weak in RB he can Be strong everywhere except RB, and then he can get RBs like lamar miller and Steven Ridley(for the start of the season) and load up on High potential guys...

I see this to be his best shot to be successful...

If he keeps Gronk and Graham then he has one of his flex set(and that flex will be better than most other teams- and will significantly weaken other teams at the TE position).

Either way, I see this to be the perfect opportunity to draft with the NO RB strategy... I just think Murray as the number one will give the team no big strengths, and really no appeal...

I know, you guys don't like the no RB strategy, but I honestly think that this is his best route...

You are honestly wrong then.

Why purposefully put yourself in a huge hole at RB, when the flex guy you are taking is not even likely to score more points than the RB you are passing up, AND is more injury prone than the injury prone RB you are not taking?

I think you are way over committed to this no RB thing. It could make sense at certain times, but not when you start talking about keeping Gronk as your 2nd TE over a legit top 10 RB with top 5 potential.

Murray is going to be a PPR beast this year.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

You are honestly wrong then.

Why purposefully put yourself in a huge hole at RB, when the flex guy you are taking is not even likely to score more points than the RB you are passing up, AND is more injury prone than the injury prone RB you are not taking?

I think you are way over committed to this no RB thing. It could make sense at certain times, but not when you start talking about keeping Gronk as your 2nd TE over a legit top 10 RB with top 5 potential.

Murray is going to be a PPR beast this year.

Well, as i said i would keep Dalton over Gronk... I dont know if i like the no RB strategy either, but in a 12 team league and Murray is going to be your number one RB, you might as well try... Especially since you can be strong everywhere else by doing it...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

it really brings up the question: should you always keep your best players??

 

[TKOSpikes]

When they're your first picks you do. I don't get the argument that having Murray somehow hurts your team?

 

[nj_cup]

You are honestly wrong then.

Why purposefully put yourself in a huge hole at RB, when the flex guy you are taking is not even likely to score more points than the RB you are passing up, AND is more injury prone than the injury prone RB you are not taking?

I think you are way over committed to this no RB thing. It could make sense at certain times, but not when you start talking about keeping Gronk as your 2nd TE over a legit top 10 RB with top 5 potential.

Murray is going to be a PPR beast this year.

Healthy gronk will put up more points then Murray no question about that. You keep Murray and jimmy who is going into your second flex spot?

 

[Cobrabit]

Will check to see when we have to declare who we keep, but we don't have to keep anyone from I've been told. I have absolutely zero experience in keeper leagues, PPR, or 12 team leagues. Just started with FF the last couple years and both were 10 team leagues. Won the first year and finished second the second year.

I'll start doing some research, but FF is just something fun for me to do and I don't take it that seriously. In other words, I'm not going to do that much research and if I could take this inherited team out of the hole and into the middle of the pack, I'll be happy for the first time in a league like this.

However, I'm impressed about how much strategy you guys are putting into this and realize that I may need to put more thought into it than I originally thought....if I've got time over the next couple weeks.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Yeah we are hard core...probably to a fault, but I wouldn't have it any other way!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

When they're your first picks you do. I don't get the argument that having Murray somehow hurts your team?

Maybe hurt was too strong of a word...

I just feel that by keeping Dalton it will give you more options to do during the draft...

This is a 2 QB in a 12 team league... i would be shocked if only 32 QBs are taken... i would not want to have any of the questionable team QBs(Jacksonville, Jets, Vikings,Houston,etc)...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Look at the long game, if you do keep Murray, project the how the first 4 rounds will go:

I would much rather be weak in one place than to be weak at all positions...

 

[TKOSpikes]

But for half of last season Dalton was weak. Now he has to learn a different offense.. I don't see another 30 TD coming this year....but I guess that's just opinion.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Murray rushed for 1124 and 9 last year with 53 receptions and 1. I'll take that as my RB1 if I get Graham in the first. Personally, I would say keep those 2 no matter what and you had better take a QB first. Now, since you don't have to keep 2 I would highly suggest not making any decisions until you know who is being kept.......................reason being if somebody throws, say Stafford back in then I might be tempted to toss Murray in if I was gonna get Stafford (that's just an example). Keeper leagues are a lot of fun once you figure some of the angles..............BTW, if this wasn't a 2 QB league I wouldn't even be thinking about the QB this early unless his name was Peyton, Drew or Aaron. Good luck.

 

[SteelersPride]

graham, and murray, draft qb with next pick, possibly top 2, and get a rb early

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Murray rushed for 1124 and 9 last year with 53 receptions and 1. I'll take that as my RB1 if I get Graham in the first. Personally, I would say keep those 2 no matter what and you had better take a QB first. Now, since you don't have to keep 2 I would highly suggest not making any decisions until you know who is being kept.......................reason being if somebody throws, say Stafford back in then I might be tempted to toss Murray in if I was gonna get Stafford (that's just an example). Keeper leagues are a lot of fun once you figure some of the angles..............BTW, if this wasn't a 2 QB league I wouldn't even be thinking about the QB this early unless his name was Peyton, Drew or Aaron. Good luck.

Was it said somewhere that he doesnt have to keep 2??

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Will check to see when we have to declare who we keep, but we don't have to keep anyone from I've been told. I have absolutely zero experience in keeper leagues, PPR, or 12 team leagues. Just started with FF the last couple years and both were 10 team leagues. Won the first year and finished second the second year.

I'll start doing some research, but FF is just something fun for me to do and I don't take it that seriously. In other words, I'm not going to do that much research and if I could take this inherited team out of the hole and into the middle of the pack, I'll be happy for the first time in a league like this.

However, I'm impressed about how much strategy you guys are putting into this and realize that I may need to put more thought into it than I originally thought....if I've got time over the next couple weeks.

Not sure Milk but that's how I read this..............

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Not sure Milk but that's how I read this..............

basically, you just have to read!!! has always been my problem!!!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

if not keeping anyone is an option, that may be what i would do... i mean Graham is a low end first rounder anyway... and in a 2 QB league, might be nice to have full control... Even if other owners do this too should not really be an issue...

 

[TREFF]

That is crazy.

Dalton is not that good. Keep Murray and Graham, then draft the best available QB with your first pick (maybe the second one too, depending on who is there). You should be able to find somebody at least as good as Dalton, because I seriously doubt the top 15 QBs will all be gone in the first round.

Firstly, yes I agree it's crazy talk. And Sorry that this was brought up so long ago in this thread and I'm revisiting it..BUT--
it's not crazy at all to assume the top 15 Qb's will be gone in the first round. In fact, you should assume the top 15 Qb's will most likely be KEPT, and not even available in the 1st round.

To the OP- you're taking over the worst team in a 12 team, 2 QB league right? Well, there's a reason that team was the worst team. You've got plenty of great players, but you're failing at the only position that you need in order to excel in a 2 QB format..the 2 Qb's! Considering you have not one single bonafied QB1 on your roster, it's safe to assume that at least 2-3 teams have 2 keeper worthy Qb's. And in a 2 Qb league, NO ONE throws a good QB back onto the pile for the draft. 11 other owners, a minimum of 11 other Qb's are already gone, as in being kept. I'd but a conservative estimate that at least 3-5 other teams will be keeping TWO QB's, putting that total somewhere in the vicinity of 14-16. So your already looking at a QB outside the top 15 to choose form on draft day.
That means you should keep either Wilson or Dalton right? Not so fast my friend. Once you get outside the top 10-12..you're in a clusterf*** of about 10 Qb's that are all virtually Identical in fantasy terms. All could be better than where they're valued, all could be worse, most likely they'll all be right where they're at. So throwing back Wilson and Dalton, and returning with either of the 2 and say, Big Ben or Joe Flacco is basically a wash. I would however add this..of the bunch that we're looking at, the one guy with the most potential to actually be a big time QB1..Russel Wilson..he's your keeper if your thinking of keeping a QB, because whether its this year, or the next year, or maybe 3 years later, he's the guy with the potential for greatness out of this sea of mediocrity, and that's what your going to have to do to compete in this league where everyone else already has their 2 stud QB's, and they won't be dropping either of them anytime soon.

You could be looking at perpetually fighting this fight if you don't find a QB who can leap into that 1st or second tier of QB's.

As to your second keeper, we've already covered that your in a huge hole already at both QB positions, so you need to keep the one guy who gives you an automatic advantage at another position to attempt to negate as much of that as you can. that guy is Jimmy Graham, hands down.
I know it's nuts to toss murray back out there, but you need to get and keep a QB in this league, and your not going to find him in the draft.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Firstly, yes I agree it's crazy talk. And Sorry that this was brought up so long ago in this thread and I'm revisiting it..BUT--
it's not crazy at all to assume the top 15 Qb's will be gone in the first round. In fact, you should assume the top 15 Qb's will most likely be KEPT, and not even available in the 1st round.

To the OP- you're taking over the worst team in a 12 team, 2 QB league right? Well, there's a reason that team was the worst team. You've got plenty of great players, but you're failing at the only position that you need in order to excel in a 2 QB format..the 2 Qb's! Considering you have not one single bonafied QB1 on your roster, it's safe to assume that at least 2-3 teams have 2 keeper worthy Qb's. And in a 2 Qb league, NO ONE throws a good QB back onto the pile for the draft. 11 other owners, a minimum of 11 other Qb's are already gone, as in being kept. I'd but a conservative estimate that at least 3-5 other teams will be keeping TWO QB's, putting that total somewhere in the vicinity of 14-16. So your already looking at a QB outside the top 15 to choose form on draft day.
That means you should keep either Wilson or Dalton right? Not so fast my friend. Once you get outside the top 10-12..you're in a clusterf*** of about 10 Qb's that are all virtually Identical in fantasy terms. All could be better than where they're valued, all could be worse, most likely they'll all be right where they're at. So throwing back Wilson and Dalton, and returning with either of the 2 and say, Big Ben or Joe Flacco is basically a wash. I would however add this..of the bunch that we're looking at, the one guy with the most potential to actually be a big time QB1..Russel Wilson..he's your keeper if your thinking of keeping a QB, because whether its this year, or the next year, or maybe 3 years later, he's the guy with the potential for greatness out of this sea of mediocrity, and that's what your going to have to do to compete in this league where everyone else already has their 2 stud QB's, and they won't be dropping either of them anytime soon.

You could be looking at perpetually fighting this fight if you don't find a QB who can leap into that 1st or second tier of QB's.

As to your second keeper, we've already covered that your in a huge hole already at both QB positions, so you need to keep the one guy who gives you an automatic advantage at another position to attempt to negate as much of that as you can. that guy is Jimmy Graham, hands down.
I know it's nuts to toss murray back out there, but you need to get and keep a QB in this league, and your not going to find him in the draft.

Treff, nice to see someone who agrees with me on keeping a QB... although we disagree on which... I say dalton is the bet.. He was 3rd best QB in fantasy last season and he has AJ green... Russel has Percy harvin for who knows how many games... Both are going to be running teams this season, but the bengals #1 RB is a very good receiving back... I would say dalton is the safer pick...

But no matter what he needs to draft a QB with his first pick...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

but if he does not need to keep anyone might be his best shot to get a better QB...

 

[TREFF]

but if he does not need to keep anyone might be his best shot to get a better QB...

He's not getting a better QB in the Draft, regardless of picking 1st round or 3rd.. everyone who is "better" than Wilson, or Dalton, is going to be kept, can nearly guarantee it.
And it's already been covered how flukey Dalton's top 3 finish was, add the new regime in Cincy, he won't get back there baring nothing but blowouts by the Bengals opponents forcing him to throw far too often.