Taking over a keeper league roster

[tlance]

I did not see Wilson's name on there. I would be OK with Wilson over Murray. Wilson is hands down better than Andy Dalton, and it is not even close.

Wilson is one of the most efficient QBs in the league, but fails to put up elite fantasy points because of volume. Dalton had the volume last year, but times are changing. Enter Hue Jackson, a run loving OC who will certainly rely on Dalton less than Jay Gruden had. Also, consider that Marshawn Lynch appears to be on his last legs.

While I don't think Wilson is a top 10 QB for this season, I don't think it will be long before he is a top 5 QB. The Seahawks offense will gradually shift as Wilson continues to grow.

Murray is the play for the short term, but Wilson is the guy if you want to lock up a franchise QB. Honestly, I would not even grab Dalton in the re-draft unless he falls to the 3rd round, because he really is not that good.

 

[TREFF]

Meh..I kinda like the lil red headed bastard.. In a 2 QB league, he's easily a QB2

 

[TKOSpikes]

I'd still keep Murray and Graham.

I'd be extremely happy with two drafted QBs and getting Russell back is easier than getting Murray back. Plus, you can grab a Bridgewater late and who knows?

The fact that it's only a keep-2 league doesn't force your hand in keeping a marginal QB, that, even in 2-QB leagues, gets drafted after guys like Murray and Graham.

 

[tlance]

Meh..I kinda like the lil red headed bastard.. In a 2 QB league, he's easily a QB2

I agree, but I am also not about to draft him over a top 15 RB or a top 10 WR because I think you can find a cheaper QB option who is capable of producing similar numbers.

I don't have anything against Dalton, but I think you can get by with 1 good QB and 1 low end option if you can accumulate enough strength elsewhere. Drafting Dalton significantly limits your ability to do that.

 

[TREFF]

I'd still keep Murray and Graham.

I'd be extremely happy with two drafted QBs and getting Russell back is easier than getting Murray back. Plus, you can grab a Bridgewater late and who knows?

The fact that it's only a keep-2 league doesn't force your hand in keeping a marginal QB, that, even in 2-QB leagues, gets drafted after guys like Murray and Graham.

That's really the way to go if he doesn't feel he has to keep a QB. But he won't be getting Wilson back unless he has the first pick in the Draft. .and Bridgewater, along with any other young, promising QB, won't be there late. These 2 QB leagues are an entirely different beast when it comes to the QB.

24 QB's starting each and every week. That's not counting your backup for injury and bye's. You've got to get them early, and get them often. . Just the bottom line.

 

[leftypower]

I'd still keep Murray and Graham.

I'd be extremely happy with two drafted QBs and getting Russell back is easier than getting Murray back. Plus, you can grab a Bridgewater late and who knows?

The fact that it's only a keep-2 league doesn't force your hand in keeping a marginal QB, that, even in 2-QB leagues, gets drafted after guys like Murray and Graham.

If the other teams keep all the top QB's anyway, you may as well try and solidify the team with other positions and find one QB of the future (Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles) and a best of the current starters left.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If the other teams keep all the top QB's anyway, you may as well try and solidify the team with other positions and find one QB of the future (Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles) and a best of the current starters left.

But if you do keep the marginal QB, now you at least have one qb... you now have the option to draft anything if it comes forth... If you keep murray you are forced into drafting a QB in the first round... The marginal QB will at least allow you to draft the best available player whether it is QB or not!!! and if it is QB then at worst you will have 2 marginal QBs... that is still better than what you would have had... Why take bridgewater- he might not even start... Keeping the QB is for protection so you will at least have one decent QB...

 

[leftypower]

But if you do keep the marginal QB, now you at least have one qb... you now have the option to draft anything if it comes forth... If you keep murray you are forced into drafting a QB in the first round... The marginal QB will at least allow you to draft the best available player whether it is QB or not!!! and if it is QB then at worst you will have 2 marginal QBs... that is still better than what you would have had... Why take bridgewater- he might not even start... Keeping the QB is for protection so you will at least have one decent QB...

Well, I guess we will just disagree. You will not be able to redraft Murray, Dalton or Wilson you can. Besides, no one is 'forced' to draft anything - maybe another decent RB or a WR fall to him. He is in a rebuild stage. ... may as well face the fact and make the rest of the team as strong as he can.

 

[TKOSpikes]

I guess what I'm saying is that if I was in a 2-QB league, there is no way in holy hell that I would draft Andy Dalton over DeMarco Murray. I understand (and like) Wilson's present and future value, but the options available (if not the same) will be extremely similar in value. ...but if keeping a QB is a must, you throw Graham back, not Murray.

 

[TKOSpikes]

And look at it this way. This team finished last with Dalton throwing 33 TD. (I suppose trades could have been made throughout the season), but Dalton scoring less fantasy points than last year is of high probability, so I don't think starting your team with him would be wise.

Wilson's future is bright, but the big thing here is it's only two keepers. That's more of a dynasty strategy, IMO.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I guess what I'm saying is that if I was in a 2-QB league, there is no way in holy hell that I would draft Andy Dalton over DeMarco Murray. I understand (and like) Wilson's present and future value, but the options available (if not the same) will be extremely similar in value. ...but if keeping a QB is a must, you throw Graham back, not Murray.

First off, even though I like Dalton over Russell Wilson, I would not be opposed to keeping him over Dalton since I see that just to be preference... I am not arguing Dalton over Wilson, I am arguing QB over RB...

I have already said, I think his best route is the NO RB strategy... and it is for the reason you actually gave, he already doesn't have the greatest team, why not be strong everywhere else... He might not be strong at QB but if he drafts a QB with his first 2 picks and keeps Dalton/Wilson he will have 2 decent QBs... 2 decent QBs is still better than having one terrible QB... So even though he might not have the best QB tandem, he certainly will not have the worst... and If he goes the no RB strategy he will likely have a very strong WR group, since most keepers are going to be RBs and QBs... So If he is strong at WRs and decent at QB and Very strong at TE, being weak at RB is probably the best scenario, if he can be deep there... Take risks on Sankey, Richardson, and others and he could have high potential RBs... He can actually have a very good team...

If he drafts murray, then he is going to be behind the 8 ball in every single position except TE...

I just see keeping a QB to give him the most options on draft day...

Maybe I am a little bias, because all I have been doing recently has been listening to the fantasy sports channel on Sirius radio, and all they have been doing recently has been pushing the no RB strategy... And it is starting to make sense to me(as long as you cant get any of the big RBs)...

 

[TKOSpikes]

Having Murray does not put you behind the 8 ball at RB though, and having Dalton instead of Rivers or Palmer or whoever is not an advantage either...that's what it sounds like you're saying.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Having Murray does not put you behind the 8 ball at RB though, and having Dalton instead of Rivers or Palmer or whoever is not an advantage either...that's what it sounds like you're saying.

Either way, if there is the option of not keeping anyone, and having a first and second round pick(where the keepers were supposed to be kept) is his best option... By doing this, he should have the pick of the litter... and can get the best player available, but in this format the best available is likely a QB...

But I don't think this will be an option because it seems to big of an advantage(since I don't see anyone with a top 10 QB or a top 5 RB or a top 2 WR not keeping at least one player...

 

[Barilko]

Jimmy G and Demarco easy choice....

 

[Barilko]

Either way, if there is the option of not keeping anyone, and having a first and second round pick(where the keepers were supposed to be kept) is his best option... By doing this, he should have the pick of the litter... and can get the best player available, but in this format the best available is likely a QB...

But I don't think this will be an option because it seems to big of an advantage(since I don't see anyone with a top 10 QB or a top 5 RB or a top 2 WR not keeping at least one player...

I think it is safe to say the best player available will not be better than Murray and Graham so keep them and have the best player/s available

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Well, this is the last time I'll chime in here: Seems like everybody has an opinion and in my opinion nobody is right or wrong. I can actually see Milks side as this is a 2QB league and like TREFF says in a 2 QB league you can be fucked right quick if you aren't careful. We are all assuming he gets the first pick and I'm assuming this draft doesn't snake so if he was to throw Murray back in he could still draft him if he wanted to. Shit, he could throw them both in and still grab Graham if that was how it shook out. Thing is, he really isn't gonna be able to do shit until he finds out who is going back into the pool.........................so right now, if it was me I'd probably see if there is an upgrade to Murray as a 3rd player on anybody's roster and if so I'd throw them both back. If not, I'd keep them..................but I'm sure I wouldn't be able to bring myself to throw Murray back for Dalton.

 

[TREFF]

True Sammy..I'm only going to say this then bow out if there's any further discussion, because there isn't any explaining or stats, or anything else to discuss on this point:
In 2 QB leagues, you HAVE to have 2 above average QB's to win..probably to make the playoffs. The QB positions are priority 1 and 1A, end of story. In a redraft, if you don't have your 2 QB's by the end of the third round, you've just punched your ticket to miss the playoffs, barring a miracle find like KNowshon or Gordon bolstering you up into contention. Without a bonafied Qb1, and an adequate QB2, you'll forever be fighting an uphill battle. Whether it be by trade, hitting the waiver wire HARD and hitting on that one guy everyone missed, or by keeping Wilson as he continues to develop, those spots need to be filled by someone better than the middle of the road guys, or you'll just be a middle of the road team.
At this point the best player available might very well be a good move..but it's not going to fix your most pressing issue either.

 

[tlance]

True Sammy..I'm only going to say this then bow out if there's any further discussion, because there isn't any explaining or stats, or anything else to discuss on this point:
In 2 QB leagues, you HAVE to have 2 above average QB's to win..probably to make the playoffs. The QB positions are priority 1 and 1A, end of story. In a redraft, if you don't have your 2 QB's by the end of the third round, you've just punched your ticket to miss the playoffs, barring a miracle find like KNowshon or Gordon bolstering you up into contention. Without a bonafied Qb1, and an adequate QB2, you'll forever be fighting an uphill battle. Whether it be by trade, hitting the waiver wire HARD and hitting on that one guy everyone missed, or by keeping Wilson as he continues to develop, those spots need to be filled by someone better than the middle of the road guys, or you'll just be a middle of the road team.
At this point the best player available might very well be a good move..but it's not going to fix your most pressing issue either.

So, what you are saying is that he should keep Wilson for what he will be in a couple years, and be prepared to suck this season?

This could go either way, but I tend to agree that it will be difficult to contend without a lot of things going right.

Maybe you keep Graham and Wilson, then look to package Graham + another stud for an elite option like Rodgers or Cam (Bress and Manning are too old).

That way, you would have your 2 QBs for the future and be ready to go next season.

 

[Bunkamania]

I would keep Graham and start picking in the 2nd round before everyone else. Are you required to keep 2 keepers?

 

[TREFF]

So, what you are saying is that he should keep Wilson for what he will be in a couple years, and be prepared to suck this season?

This could go either way, but I tend to agree that it will be difficult to contend without a lot of things going right.

Maybe you keep Graham and Wilson, then look to package Graham + another stud for an elite option like Rodgers or Cam (Bress and Manning are too old).

That way, you would have your 2 QBs for the future and be ready to go next season.

Yep basically. .We've got to remember, There's only 32 QB's on any given week that are guaranteed to see the field. 12 team 2 QB league. .24 starting QB's, only leaves SEVEN guys that aren't in a guy's starting line uo. And we haven't begun shielding in backups to fill in for BYE weeks which jumps the number of roster worthy QB'S from 24 to 36..4 more than will even play any given week. NO ONE is tossing decent QB'S back onto the pile because it's a certainty they won't ever see them again.

Think about in RB terms. . If there is no RBBC.. no third down back. . The starter is the only guy to see reps.. and 12 teams have to start 2.. you think there's going to be much available in the Draft? ?

Now take the 2 keepers, realize that is going to be mostly QB's that are kept, and all of a sudden there is a buttload of great RB's, WR's, and TE's available in Draft day. . Seems awful simple to me.