Sunday's officiating crew

[CalamityX11]

That we hold more than anybody else is complete bullshit.

You are aware that defenses are allowed to hand check right? Or bump and block within five yards?
The fact is, they really are just that fast and strong, and I am tired of hearing all this bullshit about how they just hold a lot.

LOL whats your point then? no one is complaining about within the 5 yards... its the 15-20 yards from the LOS that ticks off fans n coaches... lol

seriously....

 

[Podunkparte]

LOL whats your point then? no one is complaining about within the 5 yards... its the 15-20 yards from the LOS that ticks off fans n coaches... lol

seriously....

There's always going to be hand checking and fighting for position downfield when you actually have good DBs who aren't getting burned playing defense. Our guys are good at getting their heads around to look for the ball, making the play completely legal.

It's not like you're not allowed to touch a guy at all after 5 yards. There's a line. If it's crossed there are men in stripes who's job it is to call it. If they don't, tough shit. Don't complain to us about getting bad calls against you.

 

[octagondd]

LOL whats your point then? no one is complaining about within the 5 yards... its the 15-20 yards from the LOS that ticks off fans n coaches... lol

seriously....

Seriously, I believe you can hand check with one hand, no matter where. All recievers push off and all dbs touch more than the rules allow, just like all linemen hold. Just because our guys re-route recievers in the first 5 yards more often than most dbs, does not mean they are always cheating. They are stronger, longer and faster than most dbs in the league. This Defense is built to disrupt the timing of the West Coast offense and the passing game in general.

 

[FirebreathingMonkey]

Personally I think the whole five yards no contact rule should be destroyed. Only if the WR can't get to the ball or make a catch should there be a flag and it should be five yards replay down or auto first. If a WR can't break free than that's on them. I hate seeing flags every Sunday where teams are 3 and forever get a free 1st or 50 yards from a flag.

 

[CalamityX11]

Seriously, I believe you can hand check with one hand, no matter where. All recievers push off and all dbs touch more than the rules allow, just like all linemen hold. Just because our guys re-route recievers in the first 5 yards more often than most dbs, does not mean they are always cheating. They are stronger, longer and faster than most dbs in the league. This Defense is built to disrupt the timing of the West Coast offense and the passing game in general.

I dont think I want to keep at this, hand checks are far from an infraction... its the holds/mugs beyond the allowable distance that gets them a bad rep... but i guess that means hand checks to you and I really don't want to fight about it.

anything goes within 5 yards fine, heads are irrate or frustrated the no calls that happen beyond the allowable distance. No one is calling murder for the legal permittance... If the pic provided by Yossarian is a hand check to you(in general) then there's no discussion...

 

[CalamityX11]

Personally I think the whole five yards no contact rule should be destroyed. Only if the WR can't get to the ball or make a catch should there be a flag and it should be five yards replay down or auto first. If a WR can't break free than that's on them. I hate seeing flags every Sunday where teams are 3 and forever get a free 1st or 50 yards from a flag.

i agree... just abolish the rule.. if they're not enforcing it or letting them play, the spirit of the rule(stupid to begin with) is null..

take it out and you won't find so many complaints.

 

[octagondd]

I dont think I want to keep at this, hand checks are far from an infraction... its the holds/mugs beyond the allowable distance that gets them a bad rep... but i guess that means hand checks to you and I really don't want to fight about it.

anything goes within 5 yards fine, heads are irrate or frustrated the no calls that happen beyond the allowable distance. No one is calling murder for the legal permittance... If the pic provided by Yossarian is a hand check to you(in general) then there's no discussion...

I think we are the most penalized team in the league, so apparently they are calling it on us, more than any other team. I vaguely recall holds even being called on a player on the opposite side of the field from the pass which went incomplete on a 3rd down and short, and the other team getting a 1st down because of it. Usually, if it does not affect the play they will not call it and I think this was a situation where the QB never even looked to that side of the field, just quick drop and fired a pass to the other side and it was incomplete.

I think the media makes more of a deal about it than it actually is, as well as coaches for opposing teams who don't like their light weight WRs getting re-routed.

 

[CalamityX11]

I think we are the most penalized team in the league, so apparently they are calling it on us, more than any other team. I vaguely recall holds even being called on a player on the opposite side of the field from the pass which went incomplete on a 3rd down and short, and the other team getting a 1st down because of it. Usually, if it does not affect the play they will not call it and I think this was a situation where the QB never even looked to that side of the field, just quick drop and fired a pass to the other side and it was incomplete.

I think the media makes more of a deal about it than it actually is, as well as coaches for opposing teams who don't like their light weight WRs getting re-routed.

thats a fair assestment... its basically forcing the refs to throw a flag if the QBs throws in that area... but I think the more experienced QBs would do so rather than the younger guy who sees it as a not open wideout.

 

[WizardHawk]

well they don't... I agree they could and should do the same however, non-SF homer, the DBs in Seattle have gotten away with the mugging beyond the allowable distance all year while other teams have been penalized or been penalized for minimal contact...

it be no problem for me if we do it n get away with it as Seattle would... if the flag aint thrown for one side then it shouldn't for the other... unless its straight out interference.

That has been discussed all over the media up here and the overall take on the secondary and their extra contact is Seattle does a better job than any other team at starting that contact right off the line. They do normally maintain that contact past 5y and the refs seems to allow it because of where it started. If you try to jam a guy 8y down field you should get flagged for it. If you start contact 3y off the ball and that contact goes out to 7y past the LOS then no ref in the league is going to throw it. There is a bit of a grey area.

Any team playing press that well and getting in their hits early are going to be given some latitude on how far off the ball they are going to be allowed to continue.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Watch out for Harbaugh he cries like crazy on the sideline about holding to the refs… Pete needs to pull the refs aside and tell them to just call the game how they see it DO NOT allow Harbaugh to cry about holding… It's not like the Niners haven't gotten away with it… Harbaugh never cry's then… I watched Patrick Willis ride the back of the receiver like a cheap suit and then get a pick… Harbaugh was all smiles then…

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I want to clarify before hell rains in, the Seattle secondary is good/great... thats no issue..

but from my POV as well as many others(non SF), they've blatantly mugg/hold more times than other teams without being called on it...

in fact they should just abolish the stupid rule...if they're not enforcing it why have it?

I've watched the Niners MUG receivers in the last 2 playoff games… Don't act like your Niners don't hold… Look I feel you should always be able to put a feeler out but if there is a hold it should be called… With all the dam rules against defenses db's should have a little advantage there… Call a hold but don't call illegal contact because a receiver is touched a little…

 

[dkmightyhammer]

They were talking about this today on NFL satellite radio. The league average is 14 penalties per game. Seattle games average 19 flags per game. San Fran games average.....drum roll......19 flags per game.

Individually Seattle takes 7.9 penalties per game compared to San Fran's 6.1 per game. Not much of a difference really. Seattle will get called about 2 more times a game than San Fran so if I were a Niner fan I'd think that favors their team.

All this shows is that the notion that Seattle "gets away" with more is false. They actually get called more than anyone else, just not much more.

 

[calsnowskier]

They were talking about this today on NFL satellite radio. The league average is 14 penalties per game. Seattle games average 19 flags per game. San Fran games average.....drum roll......19 flags per game.

Individually Seattle takes 7.9 penalties per game compared to San Fran's 6.1 per game. Not much of a difference really. Seattle will get called about 2 more times a game than San Fran so if I were a Niner fan I'd think that favors their team.

All this shows is that the notion that Seattle "gets away" with more is false. They actually get called more than anyone else, just not much more.

That assumes all teams actually foul at the same rate each game (ie, Team A commits 20 fouls, but gets called for 4 and team B commits 20 fouls but gets called for 6). The argument is that Seattle (and SF as well, probably) commit 40 fouls per game while only getting called for 9. The fact they get called for 9 vs the opponents 6 does not mean they were called tighter than their opponent. It actually means they got away with more than the opponent.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

That assumes all teams actually foul at the same rate each game (ie, Team A commits 20 fouls, but gets called for 4 and team B commits 20 fouls but gets called for 6). The argument is that Seattle (and SF as well, probably) commit 40 fouls per game while only getting called for 9. The fact they get called for 9 vs the opponents 6 does not mean they were called tighter than their opponent. It actually means they got away with more than the opponent.

Naaaaaah, I like my way better. lol.

 

[calsnowskier]

Naaaaaah, I like my way better. lol.

Fair enough. I can deal with a fan who uses this logic

 

[blstoker]

That assumes all teams actually foul at the same rate each game (ie, Team A commits 20 fouls, but gets called for 4 and team B commits 20 fouls but gets called for 6). The argument is that Seattle (and SF as well, probably) commit 40 fouls per game while only getting called for 9. The fact they get called for 9 vs the opponents 6 does not mean they were called tighter than their opponent. It actually means they got away with more than the opponent.

Fans will be fans, there are no stats to show how often a team commits a foul that isn't called. Jut looking at plays and saying "That should have been called" isn't enough. Let's be honest, most fans don't fully understand the rulebook and how it's enforced any more than the average citizen fully understands the U.S. tax code.

 

[SonnyCID]

"I think that’s the way the game of football was built. I think when they came up with the rules and they first built the game and created the game, these rules weren’t in place. The game was allowed to be played physical, and that’s why you had so many run games. That’s an old school brand of football. I don’t know how old the rules are, but since these rules have come, you look up and every receiver, every play they could drop a wide‑open pass and turn around and look for a flag. I think that kind of ruins the game. That kind of ruins the intensity, the whole DNA of football and what it is if you see flags every single play. So I think DBs playing physical is the way football should be. A lot of people want to see great offense. You see great offense all the time. People running through zones and guys not being able to cover them. We stand up there and have a dog fight every play. You know, there are going to be some pushing offs and grabbing here and there, and that is the game of football. That’s how it is. That’s how it’s always been. Ask the Michael Irvin’s of the world, the Jerry Rice’s who had to deal with those before these rules coming up. That is real football."


-Mr Dick Sherman