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[SteelersPride]

pitt shit the bed again, typical fn pitt . On a roll lose, will lose to miami, and then who knows in the bowl game, they may finish 500 now

that being said WOW OSU didnt see that coming. miltons injury sucks. sucks suck sucks.ND didnt look great.
Clemson vs bama is the game we all wanna see

 

[iowajerms]

I don't how Iowa State is a Top 20 team. I get that they have the W vs West Virginia and they were never blown out. I also get that outside TCU, they have lost to decent to good teams. I don't consider Iowa good right now, just their defense.

I would put ISU the same place as Iowa. I think if both teams played again, it will be about the same as Sept game.

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

@iowajerms you voting twice?

 

[iowajerms]

@iowajerms you voting twice?

I adjusted. I posted the first one during the Utah State-Boise State game.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

1. Notre Dame 12-0
2. Alabama 12-0
3. Clemson 12-0
4. Georgia 11-1
5. Oklahoma 11-1
6. Ohio State 11-1
7. UCF 11-0
8. Washington 9-3
9. Michigan 10-2
10. Texas 9-3
11. Washington State 10-2
12. West Virginia 8-3
13. Penn State 9-3
14. Florida 9-3
15. LSU 9-3
16. Oregon 8-4
17. Kentucky 9-3
18. Northwestern 8-4
19. Syracuse 9-3
20. Mississippi State 8-4
21. Texas A&M 8-4
22. Boise State 10-2
23. Missouri 8-4
24. Cincinnati 10-2
25. Army 9-2

1. Oregon shouldn't even be ranked, let alone over Utah, who they lost to, and have a worst record than. Who you also don't even have ranked at all. WTF

2. Why are Northwestern and Mississippi St deserving of rankings over the 2 loss smaller schools? Neither have particularly impressive resumes for 4 loss teams. Both are more deserving than Oregon though, I will give you that.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Georgia
5. Oklahoma
6. Ohio State
7. Central Florida
8. LSU
9. Washington
10. Michigan
11. Washington State
12. Florida
13. West Virginia
14. Texas
15. Syracuse
16. Penn State
17. Kentucky
18. Boise State
19. Missouri
20. Northwestern
21. Utah State
22. Iowa State
23. Utah
24. Texas A&M
25. NC State

I'm not seeing it with Syracuse, Northwestern, and Iowa St. Syracuse should be ranked, Northwestern maybe (but I don't think so), Iowa St not at all.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

1. Alabama(1)
2. Clemson(2)
3. Notre Dame(3)
4. Georgia(4)
5. Oklahoma(7)
6. Ohio State(9)
7. UCF(6)
8. Florida(11)
9. Texas(13)
10. Michigan(5)
11. Kentucky(14)
12. West Virginia(12)
13. LSU(10)
14. Washington State(8)
15. Washington(16)
16. Mississippi State(15)
17. Syracuse(17)
18. NC State(18)
19. Iowa State(19)
20. Penn State(20)
21. Utah(21)
22. Northwestern(22)
23. Texas A&M(NR)
24. Missouri(NR)
25. Oregon(NR)

Dropped- Auburn(23), Boston College(24), Georgia Tech(25)

Why no Boise St?

NC State seems high.

Miss St seems high.

Iowa St isn't a top 20 team IMO.

Northwestern shouldn't be ranked. They lost to Akron and have no ranked wins.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Georgia
5. Oklahoma
6. Ohio State
7. Central Florida
8. Michigan
9. LSU
10. Florida
11. Texas
12. Penn State
13. Kentucky
14. West Virginia
15. Washington
16. Washington State
17. Mississippi State
18. Utah
19. Texas A&M
20. Boise State
21. Syracuse
22. Utah State
23. North Dakota State
24. NC State
25. Northwestern

First Five Out: Stanford, Iowa State, Army, Missouri, Iowa

Why is Mississippi St a top 20 team?

 

[Chewbaccer]

Why no Boise St?

NC State seems high.

Miss St seems high.

Iowa St isn't a top 20 team IMO.

Northwestern shouldn't be ranked. They lost to Akron and have no ranked wins.

I've been pretty lazy and just adjusted via my last week's rankings.

I've always been tough on mid majors, and 2 losses as a mid major pretty much eliminates them from my rankings.

Miss State has been playing at a high level ever since Nick Fitzgerald started playing like Nick Fitzgerald. Their defense did far better against Bama than anyone else, and they were a better team than they showed the first half of the season.

Once you get beyond the top 15, things get real murky.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Georgia
5. Ohio State
6. Oklahoma
7. UCF
8. Michigan
9. Washington
10. Washington State
11. Texas
12. Penn State
13. West Virginia
14. Kentucky
15. Florida
16. LSU
17. Utah
18. Boise State
19. Utah State
20. Army
21. Iowa State
22. Texas A&M
23. Cincinnati
24. Syracuse
25. Appalachian State

I was excited seeing your rankings until I saw Iowa St. I just don't understand ranking a 7-4 team before bowl season is over. Overall pretty good though.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I've been pretty lazy and just adjusted via my last week's rankings.

I've always been tough on mid majors, and 2 losses as a mid major pretty much eliminates them from my rankings.

Miss State has been playing at a high level ever since Nick Fitzgerald started playing like Nick Fitzgerald. Their defense did far better against Bama than anyone else, and they were a better team than they showed the first half of the season.

Once you get beyond the top 15, things get real murky.

Miss St resume just doesn't justify it IMO. I also have had them higher as recently as a couple weeks ago for the same reasons you listed. However, with the regular season over I feel like we have enough data to start looking at resumes instead of potential. Miss St is a dangerous team to face in a bowl for sure. However...

vs SFA (2-8) W 63-6
@ KSU (6-6) W 31-10
vs ULL (7-5) W 56-10
@ UK (9-3) L 7-28
vs FLA (9-3) L 6-13
vs AUB (7-5) W 23-9
@ LSU (9-3) L 3-19
vs TA&M (8-4) W 28-13
vs LT (7-5) W 45-3
@ ALA (12-0) L 0-24
vs ARK (2-10) W 52-6
@ MISS (5-7) W 35-3

When they played ranked teams they scored 7, 6, 3, 28, and 0 points this year. That's an average of 8.8 points per game against ranked foes. That isn't top 15 worthy which is where people are starting to slide them toward.

 

[ericd7633]

I'm not seeing it with Syracuse, Northwestern, and Iowa St. Syracuse should be ranked, Northwestern maybe (but I don't think so), Iowa St not at all.

I have ISU at 22. It's shit from about 20 on down.

 

[4down20]

Why is Mississippi St a top 20 team?

Why is Miss St not at top 20 team? They have one of the best defenses in the country and all their losses were to top teams: Alabama, LSU, Kentucky and Florida. Meanwhile they have a win over ranked A&M.

It's not top10 material, but top20 doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If they had a weaker schedule and some bad losses, but they don't. Shouldn't a team ranked #20 lose to the teams above them and beat the teams below them in general?

 

[4down20]

Miss St resume just doesn't justify it IMO. I also have had them higher as recently as a couple weeks ago for the same reasons you listed. However, with the regular season over I feel like we have enough data to start looking at resumes instead of potential. Miss St is a dangerous team to face in a bowl for sure. However...

vs SFA (2-8) W 63-6
@ KSU (6-6) W 31-10
vs ULL (7-5) W 56-10
@ UK (9-3) L 7-28
vs FLA (9-3) L 6-13
vs AUB (7-5) W 23-9
@ LSU (9-3) L 3-19
vs TA&M (8-4) W 28-13
vs LT (7-5) W 45-3
@ ALA (12-0) L 0-24
vs ARK (2-10) W 52-6
@ MISS (5-7) W 35-3

When they played ranked teams they scored 7, 6, 3, 28, and 0 points this year. That's an average of 8.8 points per game against ranked foes. That isn't top 15 worthy which is where people are starting to slide them toward.

They have a top5 defense.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

They have a top5 defense.

Yes, they do. I like their team, a lot, but they disappointed this year. They had a lot of shots to impress in the SEC and only showed up against A&M. They scored 16 combined points against all ranked teams not named A&M. You gotta be able to score more than 4 points a game against ranked opponents. That is more pathetic than Oklahoma and West Virginia playing defense you were railing on and on about this weekend.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

I have ISU at 22. It's shit from about 20 on down.

It wasn't egregious, I've just never seen a 7 win team ranked this late in the season before by so many people. Especially when they have the same number of losses as Iowa who isn't getting ranked by anybody and completely dominated Iowa St defensively. Texas was a sieve on defense until they played Iowa St. They are a two trick pony on offense. Montgomery makes 27 people miss to gain 10 yards, or they throw an alley oop to Butler.

They are pretty solid defensively, but I'm not sure they could handle a power offense very well with their 3-3-5 defensive alignment that gives the Big 12 fits. Which is probably what they are going to get in a bowl game.

 

[ericd7633]

It wasn't egregious, I've just never seen a 7 win team ranked this late in the season before by so many people. Especially when they have the same number of losses as Iowa who isn't getting ranked by anybody and completely dominated Iowa St defensively. Texas was a sieve on defense until they played Iowa St. They are a two trick pony on offense. Montgomery makes 27 people miss to gain 10 yards, or they throw an alley oop to Butler.

They are pretty solid defensively, but I'm not sure they could handle a power offense very well with their 3-3-5 defensive alignment that gives the Big 12 fits. Which is probably what they are going to get in a bowl game.

They only have 7 wins because they had a game postponed to next week. I'm fine with someone not ranking them, but once it's down to that low, there's issue with everyone's resume/performance.

 

[Hook'Em0608]

They only have 7 wins because they had a game postponed to next week. I'm fine with someone not ranking them, but once it's down to that low, there's issue with everyone's resume/performance.

It might sound illogical, but I wont rank them until they get that 8th win. Even if it's a cupcake. It just bugs me a bit.

 

[ericd7633]

It might sound illogical, but I wont rank them until they get that 8th win. Even if it's a cupcake. It just bugs me a bit.

That's fine. I disagree, but I understand. Just differing opinions.