SportsHoopla 2017 Hall of Fame Ballot

[Villain]

Vote yes on PEDs

 

[navamind]

BBHOF Tracker by Ryan Thibodaux.xlsm - Microsoft Excel Online

 

[Erie Warrior]

I voted for Raines, Bagwell, Hoffman, Pudge and Schilling.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Bonds
Clemens
Manny
Walker
Pudge
Bagwell
Edgar
Schilldouche
Mussina
Raines

I think Vlad's a bit overrated and I think he's pretty borderline. Great hitter, but he was averageish defensively, wasn't a good baserunner (pretty poor base stealer) and hit into a lot of double plays. I'd probably vote for him if I had an 11th vote, but I think those ten are more deserving. Not really a fan of relievers in the HOF and Hoffman isn't remotely close to Rivera. Rivera's career ERA+ is 64 points better and he has over 200 more regular season innings than Hoffman. And that's before you account for Rivera's 0.70 ERA in the postseason (over 141 innings) and the league differences. Hoffman may not have faced many pitchers batting, but he still never really faced any designated hitters. There's still a difference between facing a DH and a PH.

I had the exact same ballot.

 

[soxfan1468927]

BBHOF Tracker by Ryan Thibodaux.xlsm - Microsoft Excel Online

George Willis needs to explain why he voted for Sheffield and not Bonds or Clemens. And why vote for Lee Smith and not Trevor Hoffman? And Tony Mazz is such an idiot. Bagwell out and Martinez in? How?

 

[calsnowskier]

George Willis needs to explain why he voted for Sheffield and not Bonds or Clemens. And why vote for Lee Smith and not Trevor Hoffman? And Tony Mazz is such an idiot. Bagwell out and Martinez in? How?

Unfortunately, I suspect at least a few of these voters use their vote as clickbait instead of honoring the game.

I can't imagine any argument against Bonds that does not also apply to Sheffield. Only more so because Bonds was clearly a better player in just about every aspect.

 

[Cedrique]

BBHOF Tracker by Ryan Thibodaux.xlsm - Microsoft Excel Online

This Ryan Thibodaux needs to seek help. I've never seen someone so obsessed with the baseball hall of fame voting.

With the time he spent on that spreadsheet, you'd think he could do something useful--like come up with a way to win at horse racing or something

 

[ChiSoxFan]

Hopefully Tim Raines and Lee Smith get some love this year.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Hopefully Tim Raines and Lee Smith get some love this year.

Tim Raines, yes. Lee Smith, hell no.

 

[StanMarsh51]

According to the 70 ballots (17% of total) released from Thibodaux' tally:

Bagwell - 91%
Raines - 88%
Pudge - 84%
Hoffman - 77%
Vlad - 72%
Clemens - 70%
Bonds - 70%
Edgar - 66%
Mussina - 61%
Schilling - 49%
Manny - 35%

The pre-released numbers tend to be overstated (last year it was about 5-10% overstated), so the numbers above should decrease a bit for the actual results.

 

[soxfan1468927]

According to the 70 ballots (17% of total) released from Thibodaux' tally:

Bagwell - 91%
Raines - 88%
Pudge - 84%
Hoffman - 77%
Vlad - 72%
Clemens - 70%
Bonds - 70%
Edgar - 66%
Mussina - 61%
Schilling - 49%
Manny - 35%

The pre-released numbers tend to be overstated (last year it was about 5-10% overstated), so the numbers above should decrease a bit for the actual results.

Up to 21% now.

Bagwell - 91%
Raines - 90%
Pudge - 85%
Hoffman - 75%
Vlad - 73%
Clemens - 71%
Bonds - 71%
Edgar - 66%
Mussina - 60%
Schilling - 51%
Manny - 34%

Looking good for Bagwell and Raines. The big thing is that so far, Raines has gained 16 returning voters. He needed just 20 extra votes last year. I would be pleasantly surprised if Ivan Rodriguez was a first ballot HOFer.

And could we see a 15 point jump for Clemens and Bonds?

 

[calsnowskier]

Up to 21% now.

Bagwell - 91%
Raines - 90%
Pudge - 85%
Hoffman - 75%
Vlad - 73%
Clemens - 71%
Bonds - 71%
Edgar - 66%
Mussina - 60%
Schilling - 51%
Manny - 34%

Looking good for Bagwell and Raines. The big thing is that so far, Raines has gained 16 returning voters. He needed just 20 extra votes last year. I would be pleasantly surprised if Ivan Rodriguez was a first ballot HOFer.

And could we see a 15 point jump for Clemens and Bonds?

A lot of hard-line no-votes for Bonds and Clemens have announced that they will be voting for both moving forward. Selig getting in was a breaking of the damn in their eyes.

 

[Gopherfan84]

Hoffman
Schilling
Edgar
Mussina


Everyone else I see as either tainted or not good enough to be HOF worthy.

 

[ChiSoxFan]

Hoffman
Schilling
Edgar
Mussina


Everyone else I see as either tainted or not good enough to be HOF worthy.

What about Vlad or Raines? Tim Raines only did coke, not traditional PEDs.

 

[Gopherfan84]

What about Vlad or Raines? Tim Raines only did coke, not traditional PEDs.

I'd consider them both part of the Hall of Very Good.

 

[soxfan1468927]

I'd consider them both part of the Hall of Very Good.

How many guys were better than Raines in the 80s and early 90s?

 

[soxfan1468927]

125 ballots in the tracker so far

Bagwell: 92.8%
Raines: 90.4%
Rodriguez: 84.8%
Guerrero: 76.0%
Hoffman: 72.8%
Bonds: 70.4%
Clemens: 70.4%
Martinez: 67.2%
Mussina: 62.4%
Schilling: 52.0%
Ramirez: 32.0%
Smith: 28.8%
Walker: 27.2%
McGriff: 13.6%
Kent: 11.2%
Sheffield: 11.2%
Sosa: 11.2%
Wagner: 10.4%
Posada: 4.8%

 

[StanMarsh51]

125 ballots in the tracker so far

Bagwell: 92.8%
Raines: 90.4%
Rodriguez: 84.8%
Guerrero: 76.0%
Hoffman: 72.8%
Bonds: 70.4%
Clemens: 70.4%
Martinez: 67.2%
Mussina: 62.4%
Schilling: 52.0%
Ramirez: 32.0%
Smith: 28.8%
Walker: 27.2%
McGriff: 13.6%
Kent: 11.2%
Sheffield: 11.2%
Sosa: 11.2%
Wagner: 10.4%
Posada: 4.8%

The few years will be pretty weak (on the whole) with regards to pitchers on the ballot, so there's a good chance we'll see Mussina and Schilling elected as they'll be among the best of the bunch.

2018 notable pitching newcomers:
Moyer
Santana

2019 notable newcomers:
Halladay
Pettitte
Oswalt
Rivera

2020 notable newcomers:
Cliff Lee
Beckett

2021:
Buehrle
Hudson

 

[soxfan1468927]

The few years will be pretty weak (on the whole) with regards to pitchers on the ballot, so there's a good chance we'll see Mussina and Schilling elected as they'll be among the best of the bunch.

2018 notable pitching newcomers:
Moyer
Santana

2019 notable newcomers:
Halladay
Pettitte
Oswalt
Rivera

2020 notable newcomers:
Cliff Lee
Beckett

2021:
Buehrle
Hudson

I guess in your world, Kerry Wood is what you would consider a "weak" candidate. Please.

 

[ChiSoxFan]

The few years will be pretty weak (on the whole) with regards to pitchers on the ballot, so there's a good chance we'll see Mussina and Schilling elected as they'll be among the best of the bunch.

2018 notable pitching newcomers:
Moyer
Santana

2019 notable newcomers:
Halladay
Pettitte
Oswalt
Rivera

2020 notable newcomers:
Cliff Lee
Beckett

2021:
Buehrle
Hudson

I'm interested in seeing how the writers approach Pettitte. Halladay has a chance. Buehrle has a fool's chance with the perfect game, no hitter and 214 wins with ERA under 4.