special teams

[Breed]

So he hits from 52 at the gun last night and was 10/13 from 50+ in college. I guess that ends that problem. I didn't see the game, who kicked off?

I didn't see the game either. So Kai hit a 52 yarder last night eh. Cool beans.

 

[martinez]

Question for sty.
We can all agree that kai is an above average kicker but struggles at kick offs. Would you be willing to sign a kick off specialist that takes up a roster spot to fix the problem? If you think its that huge of an issue.

 

[Stymietee]

Question for sty.
We can all agree that kai is an above average kicker but struggles at kick offs. Would you be willing to sign a kick off specialist that takes up a roster spot to fix the problem? If you think its that huge of an issue.

Absolutely not......and....there lies the issue. Kai is a great kicker inside of 47 (although he did hit that 52 yarder against the Browns) but this is a team game where success comes when each man does his job well. Adding a specialist removes someone else when all that is needed is a more complete player in the first place.

For the life of me I cannot understand why the team has not locked him in the weightroom with the trainer until his legs are twice as strong as they were in the past couple of years. To me that would be the ideal move, not cutting him. As stated he's a great kicker 47 and in, but how often have we heard or insisted that other players step up? Maybe that 52 yarder is an indication that he has.

 

[Breed]

Adding a specialist removes someone else when all that is needed is a more complete player in the first place.

Do you make this same argument for all the specialist players in the game now who come in during certain situations? Pass catching RBs, pass rushing DEs/OLBs, pass coverage LBs, #3 CBs etc. The game is already specialized.

For the life of me I cannot understand why the team has not locked him in the weightroom with the trainer until his legs are twice as strong as they were in the past couple of years. To me that would be the ideal move, not cutting him. As stated he's a great kicker 47 and in, but how often have we heard or insisted that other players step up? Maybe that 52 yarder is an indication that he has.

He's been making 50+ yarders since high school and including college he's made 12 of his last 17 from 50 yards or better.

If simply locking a player up in the weight room with a trainer is all that was required for a player to get twice as strong thereby getting better results. There'd be a gang of players locked up in weight rooms with a gang of trainers. Besides, his leg strength may not be the issue. Maybe its the difference between a FG holder holding the ball on the ground. And the elevation off the ground a kicking tee gives a football.

 

[Stymietee]

Do you make this same argument for all the specialist players in the game now who come in during certain situations? Pass catching RBs, pass rushing DEs/OLBs, pass coverage LBs, #3 CBs etc. The game is already specialized. .

Specialized doesn't make it better. Imagine, Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, and other era DE's, LBers, subjected to being taken out of the game.....for what?? Football players play football, if their game is weak maybe it's a reflection on the pussification of the game than anything else.
This reminds me so much of my time in service.Anyone who served during my era will tell you that soldiers did everything then, everything! There was no haliburton to provide services.

 

[Stymietee]

Breed said:
He's been making 50+ yarders since high school and including college he's made 12 of his last 17 from 50 yards or better.

If simply locking a player up in the weight room with a trainer is all that was required for a player to get twice as strong thereby getting better results. There'd be a gang of players locked up in weight rooms with a gang of trainers. Besides, his leg strength may not be the issue. Maybe its the difference between a FG holder holding the ball on the ground. And the elevation off the ground a kicking tee gives a football.[/QUOTE]

If you want to focus on 50+ field goals that's fine but that is not where his leg weaknesses are most evident. Consistency from this distance is his issue there. I didn't go back to look but someone posted and attempted to justify his KO's as being good because he averaged 61.6 yards per. Weak leg indeed, that 61.6 average is dead last in the entire NFL!! BTW: that's kicking off of a tee! Here's something that you might find interesting, players today are much stronger BECAUSE they spend an inordinate amount of time with various trainers and in the weight rooms across the country.

 

[Breed]

Specialized doesn't make it better. Imagine, Emmit Smith, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, and other era DE's, LBers, subjected to being taken out of the game.....for what?? Football players play football, if their game is weak maybe it's a reflection on the pussification of the game than anything else.
This reminds me so much of my time in service.Anyone who served during my era will tell you that soldiers did everything then, everything! There was no haliburton to provide services.

No need to imagine. Barry Sanders was taken out of games, quite a bit actually, in goal-line situations. It has nothing to do with the pussification of the game or whatever. The game has evolved into a game of match-ups

Your era, my era, I'm 53, are both over. This is a different era now. Just as its a different game with different players. And in this era FG kickers who make almost 90% of all their attempted FGs are high value. They'll be even more important now that the XP is no longer a gimme chip-shot.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

imagine a running back, oh let's just say he wore number 44 just to pick a number at random. The guy couldn't catch passes, couldn't (or more specifically wouldn't) block either. But he did one thing very very well and that was run between the tackles. Should we have cut this guy because we can do better? Or did they recognize the value he brought overcame his deficiencies?

 

[Stymietee]

imagine a running back, oh let's just say he wore number 44 just to pick a number at random. The guy couldn't catch passes, couldn't (or more specifically wouldn't) block either. But he did one thing very very well and that was run between the tackles. Should we have cut this guy because we can do better? Or did they recognize the value he brought overcame his deficiencies?

Here's what I would do........get better then drop his ass to backup.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Here's what I would do........get better then drop his ass to backup.