special teams

[skinsdad62]

OK let's end this nonsense right now. Here are the states. Kai has averaged 61.6 yards per kickoff. Do the math, that means his kicks land on average inside the 9 yard line. To claim he had major trouble getting them inside the 20 is simply idiotic and not supported by the facts as we tried to tell you days ago.

When you compare Kai with the other kickers in the league, according to Breed's link, the vast majority seem to fall in the 64-65 yard average with the top guys all the way up to 66. So we are talking about 3-4 yards guys. For 3 yards per kickoff I'll be happy to keep Kai.

When you consider the fact that he kicks on the worst field in the league, by far, when many are kicking in domes or at least on great surfaces his FG stats are pretty amazing.

Kai Forbath: Career Stats at NFL.com

2014 NFL Kickoff Statistics - The Football Database

As a follow up to this discussion Tress Way averaged over 65 yards per kickoff which placed him among the league leaders. Since Tress is going nowhere soon if they are smart the problem has been solved. Kai hits a clutch 43 yarder to extend the lead to 10, Tress kicks off into the end zone.

What's the problem again? Oh yeah, Kai is struggling on August 9th on a practice field. LMAO.

my only response , stop clouding the issue with facts

i like how people see one bad play and apply it to all of his play

i get it he is struggling in TC , how about we give the guy some time to get through it ?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Check that, I've sill got it stuck in my head that they are still kicking from the 30. Forbath's kickoffs land on average inside the 4, which is oh so close to the 20 I can see the confusion. The average guy is landing around the 1, again 2-3 yards different. Mason Crosby has been kicking in GB since Jimmy Carter was in office and he has the exact same kickoff average as Kai. And nobody is looking to replace him up there.

 

[Stymietee]

Two posters, well, actually 3, of which you were one. Made a claim along the lines that all KOs are now automatic touch-backs for just about every team except the Redskins. One of those posters since making his claim has not engaged further in this current conversation. Another one of those posters who has continued to engage in this discussion. Looked at evidence provided and said "My bad, and now I know better." And while you've also continued to engage in the discussion. You've simply glossed over that fact. Why do people do that? Its one thing if you have a difference of opinion with someone and there's no evidence to support either opinion. Or there is evidence available, but not enough to make a reasonable call one way or the other. That isn't the case with your claim that the majority of NFL teams have defenses that always start at the 20 yard line after their offense has scored, Because they have a KO kicker who hammers a kick for a TB just about every time on KOs. So I'l ask again. Why do people do that?

Another thing I find interesting. You've brought up the subject of Redskins fans, other than yourself, settling for, maybe even being giddy over mediocrity. You also claim to be a long time football/Redskins fan. So I'm gonna assume you're aware of the on-going and longstanding issues this team has had with FG kicking/FG kickers just in the Synder era alone and before Forbath's arrival. The Skins have failed to advance in the playoffs due to FG issues and have failed to make the playoffs because of FG issues in said Snyder era. Now tell me. What's mediocre about a FG kicker who's been in the top 10 among FG kickers twice in 3 years far as FG % goes and over the course of 3 seasons has made 88% of all FGs he's attempted? Is that mediocre to you? Cuz its pretty damn good to me. Good enough that all this talk about getting rid of Forbath or at seeming hopeful the Skins get rid of him. Because he's had a rough week in the opening week of practice with the reg season still 2 months is completely asinine to me.

And while those who advocate sticking with Forbath or at the least are not yet concerned with his poor week of practice. Have readily acknowledged his job as a kicker on the KO team has been sub-par and an upgrade is needed there. The fans who seem to want to get rid of Forbath now, have and continue to completely ignore evidence showing that not only is Forbath as a KO kicker not doing a good job. Neither is the KO coverage team doing a good job coverage-wise. Are you settling for the KO coverage teams mediocre performance. It sure seems that way. Or maybe you think GMSM is gonna pull a kicker out his ass that can hit 88% of all his FGs attempted and hammer KOs for touch-backs like you thought just about every other NFL team was doing. Good luck with that.

OK, I don't dispute that coverage must also be better. That said this team by generally most accounts is in a rebuild mode. The point I'm making is that if you're going to upgrade then make no exceptions when going over the roster. I've never disputed the fact that Forbath has been pretty good inside of the 50, my issues with him is the rest of his game. He should be ranked in the top 10-15 but because of everything else he's ranked 27th.

Now let me respond to other things that you've written here. First, let me apologize for the elapsed time in responses. I've had two major surgeries since July 14th and recovery has not reached 100% yet.

You've made two references to "ALL" in your response the first relating to KO's the second relating to fans....other than myself settling. Clearly, you are either having trouble with nuance or deliberately employing a tactic generally used by those seeking to isolate and garner majority support. To be clear, I've never said "ALL" KO's nor implied or made reference to DC fans as a collective, while excepting myself. (see: "So many")

I've never "glossed over" anything in fact I've never argued that Forbath was not good inside of the 50. I have state4d that when a team attempting to upgrade everywhere, surely there is room to upgrade a position that is filled with the 27th ranked player at the position.

Finally, you seem to want to narrow Forbath's struggles to early camp woes....well guess when he got that 27th ranking.....last season, not early in camp.

 

[Stymietee]

The human body is not a piece of football equipment.

I'll just say I disagree with both your opinions on A) Helmets making the game safer and B) Removing them from the uniform would ruin the game. And so do others from a safety standpoint.

The concussion epidemic: Should helmets be banned from football? | Fox News

Thanks for providing the link to the subject at hand....while some will no doubt take your word for it and others quickly read through it, I like many others, happen to be a voracious reader who absorbs almost anything relevant to what I'm doing during the course of any day (in this case a few days). You have inadvertently provided material that supports my position.

THE FIRST: (lesser of two evils)

"The football helmet was originally introduced in the late 1800s, after 18 players died from skull fractures sustained during play. Since then, deaths from the sport have plummeted, but some argue the helmet’s introduction ultimately gave rise to the concussion epidemic players are experiencing today".

THE SECOND: (Face guard vs. helmet)

“The game got even more dangerous when they added another safety feature,” Ramirez added. “When they put in the face mask, they made players feel invincible, which was the impetus for the concussion epidemic; they started tackling with their heads. By adding this face mask, we changed behavior so that it became more dangerous for concussions.”

LAST/MOST IMPORTANT (Back to death?)

"Removing the helmet may prompt some football players to better protect their heads, but experts argue that it would simply replace the concussion epidemic with a much deadlier trend".


All three of these excerpts came directly from the link that you've provided. I do have a questions for you though.

1. How do you propose with or with helmets those head to head collisions that occur at the line of scrimmage on every play?

2. Should a pass catcher with or without helmet who drops his head in order to protect himself be penalized/fined?

3. Should all ball carriers with or without helmets who attempt to drop pads in order to get lower than his potential tackler be penalized/fined?

 

[Breed]

OK, I don't dispute that coverage must also be better. That said this team by generally most accounts is in a rebuild mode. The point I'm making is that if you're going to upgrade then make no exceptions when going over the roster. I've never disputed the fact that Forbath has been pretty good inside of the 50, my issues with him is the rest of his game. He should be ranked in the top 10-15 but because of everything else he's ranked 27th.

Now let me respond to other things that you've written here. First, let me apologize for the elapsed time in responses. I've had two major surgeries since July 14th and recovery has not reached 100% yet.

You've made two references to "ALL" in your response the first relating to KO's the second relating to fans....other than myself settling. Clearly, you are either having trouble with nuance or deliberately employing a tactic generally used by those seeking to isolate and garner majority support. To be clear, I've never said "ALL" KO's nor implied or made reference to DC fans as a collective, while excepting myself. (see: "So many")

I've never "glossed over" anything in fact I've never argued that Forbath was not good inside of the 50. I have state4d that when a team attempting to upgrade everywhere, surely there is room to upgrade a position that is filled with the 27th ranked player at the position.

Finally, you seem to want to narrow Forbath's struggles to early camp woes....well guess when he got that 27th ranking.....last season, not early in camp.

Surgeries for what if you don't mind me asking and get better soon.

OK, you didn't use the word "all". You simply posed a question saying there are practically zero returns on kick-offs in the NFL. Or put another way.......damn near every KO.

Typical Washington football disconnect. If the norm now is practically zero returns on kick-offs because they are nonreturnable, why should we not expect at least that?

Typical Washington football disconnect.

That disconnect you speak of above has to do with Skins fans, at least some of them, disconnecting from something, reality, common sense, whatever. And I know you weren't speaking about all Skins fans, but you were speaking about a group, segment, or collective of Skins fan. You even claimed Skins fans are comfortable with mediocrity. By asking the question why so many Skins fans comfortable with it. The usage of the words "so Many" lead me to believe you weren't talking about a couple people. You meant a lot of Skins fans.

My lack of worry or narrowing of Forbath's issues has nothing to do with his KO duties. The Skins need an upgrade at that spot period. I'm not worried niw because Forbath is missing a lotta FGs at Present. And what stats are you using that has Forbath as 27th in the league?

 

[Stymietee]

Surgeries for what if you don't mind me asking and get better soon.

OK, you didn't use the word "all". You simply posed a question saying there are practically zero returns on kick-offs in the NFL. Or put another way.......damn near every KO.





That disconnect you speak of above has to do with Skins fans, at least some of them, disconnecting from something, reality, common sense, whatever. And I know you weren't speaking about all Skins fans, but you were speaking about a group, segment, or collective of Skins fan. You even claimed Skins fans are comfortable with mediocrity. By asking the question why so many Skins fans comfortable with it. The usage of the words "so Many" lead me to believe you weren't talking about a couple people. You meant a lot of Skins fans.

My lack of worry or narrowing of Forbath's issues has nothing to do with his KO duties. The Skins need an upgrade at that spot period. I'm not worried niw because Forbath is missing a lotta FGs at Present. And what stats are you using that has Forbath as 27th in the league?

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There are a lot of Washington fans and I was NOT talking about a couple. I'm sure that you like most of us talk to and interact with a good number of them. You'll have to excuse my skepticism if you are suggesting that there are not great numbers of them that have gotten used to mediocrity especially in the Snyder era.


I used several references. There are others!!

2014 NFL Kicking & Punting | Pro-Football-Reference.com
www.pro-football-reference.com/.../2014/k...

WalterFootball.com: 2014 Fantasy Football Rankings - Kickers
walterfootball.com/fantasy2014kickers.php


WalterFootball.com: 2015 Fantasy Football Rankings - Kickers
walterfootball.com/fantasy2015kickers.php


Anyhow, anyone using that 61.6 yard average on kickoffs is going to be hard pressed to find anyone who's done worse. Statically, that 61.6 yards on kickoffs is the worse in the NFL.

 

[Stymietee]

Here's another:

NFL Team Kickoff Touchback Percentage - TeamRankings
Sports Predictions, Rankings & Stats - TeamRankingsnfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Wait you are using Walter Camp's fantasy football rankings to evaluate kickers? You do realize that is based on points scored and is a direct reflection of the team he plays for and more specifically how many opportunities he gets right?

Again all this is moot. As I pointed out Tress Way is among the league leaders and since any fool would understand he would be the best option for kickoffs why are we even talking about this? Kai makes the kick, Way kicks off.

Off topic good luck on the recovery and thanks for the PSA on the health check. I've been a good boy, taking the scope last fall, but it always helps to be reminded.

 

[Breed]

All three of these excerpts came directly from the link that you've provided. I do have a questions for you though.

1. How do you propose with or with helmets those head to head collisions that occur at the line of scrimmage on every play? They will eliminate themselves as players will no longer lead with their head if not wearing a helmet.

2. Should a pass catcher with or without helmet who drops his head in order to protect himself be penalized/fined?

He (the receiver) should take care not to drop his head into an oncoming shoulder
of head of an opposing player.

3. Should all ball carriers with or without helmets who attempt to drop pads in order to get lower than his potentialtackler be penalized/fined?

No.

I don't know any Skins fans that have been happy in the Snyder era for too long. Nor do I know any Skins fans that are happy or cool with how the team has preformed the last few years. Bringing in GMSM has provided them/us/me with what maybe the first piece of tangible hope in the Snyder era. We finally have a football man in the GM-sense making the football decisions that GMs make.


I fail to see why you posted those special teams links you did. They do nothing to shed any new light an anything we've talked about in this thread. At least not for me.

 

[Stymietee]

Wait you are using Walter Camp's fantasy football rankings to evaluate kickers? You do realize that is based on points scored and is a direct reflection of the team he plays for and more specifically how many opportunities he gets right?

Again all this is moot. As I pointed out Tress Way is among the league leaders and since any fool would understand he would be the best option for kickoffs why are we even talking about this? Kai makes the kick, Way kicks off.

Off topic good luck on the recovery and thanks for the PSA on the health check. I've been a good boy, taking the scope last fall, but it always helps to be reminded.

I would greatly appreciate any links that you have that supports your position relating to Forbath's ranking as a complete kicker, not just his ranking inside of the 50 yard line. BTW: 50 and out he stinks (0-1). Seems the team would rather go for it or punt in these situations possibly because of lack of trust.

OK I will stand corrected if there is a link that announces that TW has assumed KO duties. Maybe I missed it. What I didn't miss was that 61.6 KO average that some want to brag about is DEAD LAST in the entire league!

Thanks for your well wishes, it is important that no matter what we men support/ encourage and remind one another that our health cannot be taken for granted.

 

[Stymietee]

All three of these excerpts came directly from the link that you've provided. I do have a questions for you though.

1. How do you propose with or with helmets those head to head collisions that occur at the line of scrimmage on every play? They will eliminate themselves as players will no longer lead with their head if not wearing a helmet.

2. Should a pass catcher with or without helmet who drops his head in order to protect himself be penalized/fined?

He (the receiver) should take care not to drop his head into an oncoming shoulder
of head of an opposing player.

3. Should all ball carriers with or without helmets who attempt to drop pads in order to get lower than his potential tackler be penalized/fined?

No.

I don't know any Skins fans that have been happy in the Snyder era for too long. Nor do I know any Skins fans that are happy or cool with how the team has preformed the last few years. Bringing in GMSM has provided them/us/me with what maybe the first piece of tangible hope in the Snyder era. We finally have a football man in the GM-sense making the football decisions that GMs make.


I fail to see why you posted those special teams links you did. They do nothing to shed any new light an anything we've talked about in this thread. At least not for me.

1. History does not support this assertion as death from head trauma preceded concussions. In addition, with the advent of MMA, MA, I'm very certain that blows to the head would increase if there was no helmet. BTW: head to head contact is not the only way that concussions occur. Imagine, a well placed elbow, an inadvertent knee, etc. etc. during the course of a game.

2. What does this mean? "Take care not to drop his head" most of that is instinct, self preservation from absorbing a direct blow. The rest is an attempt to protect the ball (fumbling). The NFL mandating that players "Take care not to drop their heads" is more closely akin to telling someone not to think of pink elephants.

3. NO? really??? So it's OK for the offensive player to lead with his head (dropping his pads) while the defender does what in attempting to make the tackle?

When the team hired Bruce Allen as GM, there was one voice here that proclaimed loudly and consistently that this team fire him and hire a dedicated GM not named Bruce Allen. Right now, the team is selling the same thing that it has in past times......H.O.P.E. There are plenty of reasons why fans of this team are not optimistic. Chief among them is that the putrid product being sold makes mediocrity seem like an upgrade. Admit it, our ray of hope this time is GMSM and the changes that he's made, until we see it on the field ( not winning off the field...Bruce) all it is....is still H.O.P.E.

Finally, there are two competing topics on this thread. 1. Helmet vs. No helmet....and...2. Kai Forbath. The links are there to support my assertion that a kicker in the NFL has three areas of responsibility. FG's, PAT's, and Kickoffs. It is comforting to know that ours is very efficient from 45 in but equally disheartening to know that he cannot be relied on to be average from 48 and beyond. Just as disheartening is his 61.6 yards per kickoff average which is Dead last in the entire NFL. All I'm calling for is consistency here...if the team is going to upgrade everywhere else why not kicker too?

 

[Breed]

I would greatly appreciate any links that you have that supports your position relating to Forbath's ranking as a complete kicker, not just his ranking inside of the 50 yard line. BTW: 50 and out he stinks (0-1). Seems the team would rather go for it or punt in these situations possibly because of lack of trust.

OK I will stand corrected if there is a link that announces that TW has assumed KO duties. Maybe I missed it. What I didn't miss was that 61.6 KO average that some want to brag about is DEAD LAST in the entire league!

Thanks for your well wishes, it is important that no matter what we men support/ encourage and remind one another that our health cannot be taken for granted.

First off, glad to hear you seem to be alright. I'm going to the eye doctor tomorrow and have an appt with the booty scope doctor a month or so down the road.

I can't supply you with any links on Forbath the complete kicker and I haven't, not one time, even hinted at him being a complete kicker. I also share questions about his range/accuracy, but from the 50 yard or beyond mark he's actually 2/4. With both makes coming from 50 yards and I believe 1 miss was from 50 as well. He didn't miss it by much and it was wide not short. In fact I can recall that miss and one of he makes having the distance to go 53 or so yards.

You've seen the games throughout the years though. Hell, any Redskins fan with a half ass decent memory knows. We've had FG issues going back to the freakin early/mid 90s and all the way into the Snyder era till Kai Forbath hit the scene. And the Skins have had enough FG issues from 45 yards, 37 yards, 28 yards, 21 yards. That I'm OK with Forbath and the unknown knowns we don't know about from beyond 50 yards when it comes to Cobra. As Forbath has been a damn good /aruably great FG kicker for the Skins.

I mentioned it on page two. Tress Way averaged 65.2 yards on KOs, would've been good enough for 10th best in the league if he had enough kicks to qualify. nd on his 18 KOs 9 of them were touch-backs. Kai only had 18 TBs on 54 KOs or 33.3% of his KOs went for TBs. Makes you kinda wonder if Way's leg was tiring from the double duty.

 

[Stymietee]

First off, glad to hear you seem to be alright. I'm going to the eye doctor tomorrow and have an appt with the booty scope doctor a month or so down the road.

I can't supply you with any links on Forbath the complete kicker and I haven't, not one time, even hinted at him being a complete kicker. I also share questions about his range/accuracy, but from the 50 yard or beyond mark he's actually 2/4. With both makes coming from 50 yards and I believe 1 miss was from 50 as well. He didn't miss it by much and it was wide not short. In fact I can recall that miss and one of he makes having the distance to go 53 or so yards.

You've seen the games throughout the years though. Hell, any Redskins fan with a half ass decent memory knows. We've had FG issues going back to the freakin early/mid 90s and all the way into the Snyder era till Kai Forbath hit the scene. And the Skins have had enough FG issues from 45 yards, 37 yards, 28 yards, 21 yards. That I'm OK with Forbath and the unknown knowns we don't know about from beyond 50 yards when it comes to Cobra. As Forbath has been a damn good /aruably great FG kicker for the Skins.

I mentioned it on page two. Tress Way averaged 65.2 yards on KOs, would've been good enough for 10th best in the league if he had enough kicks to qualify. nd on his 18 KOs 9 of them were touch-backs. Kai only had 18 TBs on 54 KOs or 33.3% of his KOs went for TBs. Makes you kinda wonder if Way's leg was tiring from the double duty.

Thanks dude, good luck with both of your appointments, truly wish you the best as well.

As you've mentioned we really need a reliable more complete kicker in order that we not put too much onto the plate of our punter. Chip Lohmiller and prior to that there was Mark Mosley, now that's going back a bit, but there has to be some reason why Kai is not getting stronger if he too is spending a lot of time with the strength and conditioning coach. This team simply cannot afford his KO shortcomings and questions at 50+ yards. The guy is deadly at 45 and in and he has no doubt been the best we've had since the two mentioned above. The question gong forward is does this team stick with the known, shortcomings and all, or, can it (the FO) be trusted in bringing in his eventual, more complete, replacement?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I can't remember if Tress Way was inserted late in the year or if his kicks were too low, there must be a reason he didn't have too many kickoffs. But let's see how it plays out this preseason, as I said he could be the answer and this all will be moot. I don't see Kai improving his distance, it's like asking a 5 HR 2nd baseman to suddenly hit 20 bombs. But again they have brought in plenty of big legged kicker over the last 20 years and none have been able to fill the job. Sure it would be great to have a guy capable of kicking a 52 yarder but seriously how often do teams even try 52 yards with the new rules of where the ball is spotted?

I do know one thing. There is absolutely nothing more deflating to a team than to have a 10 play 62 yard drive end with nothing on the board because the kicker missed from 41. It has happened here for decades, they finally found a guy who not only makes kicks he has made HUGE kicks. It would a total mistake to cut him because the next guy kicks it 3 yard further on kickoffs. And as Breeds first post clearly shows that is what we are talking about, 2-3 yards.

 

[Stymietee]

I can't remember if Tress Way was inserted late in the year or if his kicks were too low, there must be a reason he didn't have too many kickoffs. But let's see how it plays out this preseason, as I said he could be the answer and this all will be moot. I don't see Kai improving his distance, it's like asking a 5 HR 2nd baseman to suddenly hit 20 bombs. But again they have brought in plenty of big legged kicker over the last 20 years and none have been able to fill the job. Sure it would be great to have a guy capable of kicking a 52 yarder but seriously how often do teams even try 52 yards with the new rules of where the ball is spotted?

I do know one thing. There is absolutely nothing more deflating to a team than to have a 10 play 62 yard drive end with nothing on the board because the kicker missed from 41. It has happened here for decades, they finally found a guy who not only makes kicks he has made HUGE kicks. It would a total mistake to cut him because the next guy kicks it 3 yard further on kickoffs. And as Breeds first post clearly shows that is what we are talking about, 2-3 yards.

I suppose that's one way to look at it ( merely talking about 2-3 yards) but I don't see it that way. To be clear, setting a goal to find a kicker who is capable of doing it all, should always be the goal. I know how difficult it is to find that guy but this team simply cannot afford to take the position that it shouldn't constantly be searching for him simply because Kai is deadly inside of 45.

 

[skinsdad62]

first and foremost , stymie , you take care of yourself old friend. my prayers are with you and your family

 

[Stymietee]

first and foremost , stymie , you take care of yourself old friend. my prayers are with you and your family

Thank you very much Dad!! The same to you and yours as well!!

 

[Breed]

Stymietee,

Concerning the helmet issue. I'm willing to concede that your argument holds more merit than mine. If for no other reason than. We simply don't know enough about what would happen if grown men who are the size, strength, and speed, of NFL players, played w/o helmets. The only thing I'm willing to say with 100% certainty if they did play w/o helmets is that. Head injures would still occur and some would surely be of a very gruesome nature, if as you suggested. They ended up being of the knee to head/elbow to head/ head to head type hit regardless of how unintentional it would be.

Concerning Cobra Kai,

As I was unwilling to concede Forbath is an uncertainty from 45 yards and beyond, but can get on-board with him being an uncertainty from 50 yards and beyond. I tried to find some articles that would either confirm or alleviate those uncertainties.

First though.......read this article for a nice refresher on how brutally shitty the Skins FG kicking was before Kai hit the scene. In the nutshell it lays it out why we simply can't get rid of Forbath at this time, even with his crappy KO results imo.

Kai Forbath: Best Washington Redskins Kicker Since Mark Moseley | Bleacher Report

I'll post this from the article cuz I think its on point and has quite the nugget of wisdom.

But the numbers don’t even begin to tell the story. A kicker whose range is 45 yards instead of, say, 55 can dramatically affect the way a team plays. More than half of Forbath’s field goals have been from 40 yards or beyond.

It’s also hard to quantify the psychological effect of missing kicks, especially easy ones. Blowouts can happen after a team has missed a couple of field goals.

Talk all you want about Tom Brady, but he hasn’t won a Super Bowl without Adam Vinatieri. Neither has Peyton Manning, for that matter.

If the Redskins make the playoffs for the first time since 2007, RG3 will get most of the credit—and deservedly so. But Forbath will have played a big part in the resurgence of the Redskins, and he just might continue to do so in the postseason.

Redskins sign kicker Kai Forbath [updated] - The Washington Post

iAn All-American and winner of the Lou Groza Collegiate Place-Kicker Award in 2009, Forbath was signed by Dallas after he went undrafted in 2011, but spent the year on injured reserve.

Forbath tweeted: “Couldn’t be more excited to join Redskins nation! #HTTR”

He made five of five field goal attempts for Tampa Bay this preseason, including a long of 55. But the Bucs have a strong kicker in Connor Barth, who has made nine of nine kicks, including a 57-yarder, this season.

In four seasons at UCLA, Forbath made 84.2 percent of his kicks, including 10 of 13 beyond 50 yards. As a high schooler in Sherman Oaks, Calif., Forbath made a 57-yard field goal.

I post this last link cuz it shows Forbath's yearly FG record at UCLA. Take away his junior year and from beyond 50 yards he was straight money.

Kai Forbath Biography - UCLA Bruins Official Athletic Site | UCLABruins.com

I'm not gonna front. It felt good to read that dope on Forbath. Winning the Groza Award, being an All-American, the glossy 10/13 on beyond 50 yard FGs. But...................the Skins have hyped me up and had my head in the clouds a few times. Only to snatch me by the foot, rip off my nutsack, and then body slam my ass like the Hulk did Loki in The Avengers movie. So when it comes to anything concerning the Skins. I'm from Missouri. You can't tell me shit about the Skins cuz I don't wanna hear it. The Skins got to show me.

Still, I'm more on-board with keeping Forbath today, than I was yesterday. Far as FG kicking goes, we may've fond a real gem in Cobra.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So he hits from 52 at the gun last night and was 10/13 from 50+ in college. I guess that ends that problem. I didn't see the game, who kicked off?

 

[j_y19]

So he hits from 52 at the gun last night and was 10/13 from 50+ in college. I guess that ends that problem. I didn't see the game, who kicked off?

Kai. His kickoff a were weak. However, having an accurate FG kicker is even more important with the new xtra point location. There will be critical extra points missed this year.