special teams

[skinsdad62]

Why has Washington's special teams been so bad? | Comcast SportsNet Washington

look at those crap rankings

all about depth

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Thanks for starting this thread Dad. ST has been nothing short of embarrassing for the last few years and it needs to stop. They've changed coaches, they've changed players, and yet nothing helped. It's time for a change.

Everyone wants to dump Forbath because of his short kicks. My position has always been lets keep the guy who can make field goals, something we have been missing since Chip Loemiller, and just cover the damn kick. It wasn't that long ago that teams returned nearly every kick and maybe broke 1-2 for an entire year. So covering kicks can be done.

 

[skinsdad62]

Thanks for starting this thread Dad. ST has been nothing short of embarrassing for the last few years and it needs to stop. They've changed coaches, they've changed players, and yet nothing helped. It's time for a change.

Everyone wants to dump Forbath because of his short kicks. My position has always been lets keep the guy who can make field goals, something we have been missing since Chip Loemiller, and just cover the damn kick. It wasn't that long ago that teams returned nearly every kick and maybe broke 1-2 for an entire year. So covering kicks can be done.

i believe that too . enough of the forbath blaming game . they cant tackle and lack discipline

 

[deanpet21]

Forbath has been horrible in camp. Is anyone else noticing this?

 

[skinsdad62]

good day for coverage units vs texans no kick brought back past the twenty

and yes forbath is struggling with FGS as well this camp

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Stymietee]

I'd keep an eye on the N.O. Saints and what they do with their kickers. Zack Hocker was one kick away from replacing Forbath. I'm pretty sure that he's worked on that and could take the job here if the Saints release him.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So Forbath misses from 50 and struggles in the first week of camp and everyone wants him replaced. It's amazing to me how much hate this guy gets considering the horrible kickers we have been trotting out there for the last 2 decades.

 

[Breed]

So Forbath misses from 50 and struggles in the first week of camp and everyone wants him replaced. It's amazing to me how much hate this guy gets considering the horrible kickers we have been trotting out there for the last 2 decades.

I like Cobra as well.

17/18 = 94.4% accuracy rate in 2012/FGs
18/22 = 81.8% accuracy rate in 2013/FGs
24/27 = 88.8% accuracy rate in 2014/FGs

Overall
59/67 = 88.0% accuracy rate

From the accuracy rates, 2012 and 2014 were damn good/arguably great even and 2013 was good.

Its somewhat troubling to me though that in 67 attempts Cobra has no makes from 50+ yards.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I like Cobra as well.

17/18 = 94.4% accuracy rate in 2012/FGs
18/22 = 81.8% accuracy rate in 2013/FGs
24/27 = 88.8% accuracy rate in 2014/FGs

Overall
59/67 = 88.0% accuracy rate

From the accuracy rates, 2012 and 2014 were damn good/arguably great even and 2013 was good.

Its somewhat troubling to me though that in 67 attempts Cobra has no makes from 50+ yards.

Why it's....it's...it's as if John Hall has returned.

(Inside joke)

Edit: I checked and according to the ESPN stats he's 2-4 from 50+ as a Redskin. He's also a a damned good 22-25 from 40-49.

Kai Forbath Stats - Washington Redskins - ESPN

 

[Breed]

Why it's....it's...it's as if John Hall has returned.

(Inside joke)

Edit: I checked and according to the ESPN stats he's 2-4 from 50+ as a Redskin. He's also a a damned good 22-25 from 40-49.

Kai Forbath Stats - Washington Redskins - ESPN

Heh. I almost made a J Hall reference myself. Good grief that was a clusterfuck of a couple seasons back then.

Yeah he's made 2/4 from 50+ but the two makes were from 50 yards. So I'll amend my statement to, its troubling he has no makes of beyond 50 yards. Though I do recall one of the 50 yard makes and one of the misses, also right at 50 yards I believe, and both had enough distance to go 54 yards or so.

I'm in no way advocating that they cut Cobra. 88% accuracy over 3 years is the shit . I also agree with anyone who says its far more critical that the KO team be able to tackle effectively. Than it is for Cobra to knock a few more balls out the end zone. But as long as there's a perception Kai's leg isn't strong enough, and it seems Gruden is of that belief and maybe a few others as well. We're going to see kickers bringing brought in to challenge for KO/FG duties.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Heh. I almost made a J Hall reference myself. Good grief that was a clusterfuck of a couple seasons back then.

As opposed to the clusterfuck of the last couple of seasons?

 

[deanpet21]

short and low kickoffs hamper kickoff coverage that is a fact. In todays nfl all kickoffs should be touchbacks, especially in domed stadiums. I believe its a huge disadvantage that we don't have a kicker that consistently gets touchbacks.

 

[skinsdad62]

short and low kickoffs hamper kickoff coverage that is a fact. In todays nfl all kickoffs should be touchbacks, especially in domed stadiums. I believe its a huge disadvantage that we don't have a kicker that consistently gets touchbacks.

if we cover kicks correctly it isnt an issue . fact is we havent

my issue with forbath isnt his range but so far in camp he isnt hitting it well

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh I totally get what Dean is saying, we are one of the few teams that can't count on setting up our defense on the 20 every kickoff. The problem is finding that guy and also making sure he is good enough on FGs to actually have a kickoff to defend. We've probably had 25 kickers the last few decades and not one of them could do both so I'm keeping the guy who actually makes kicks, and big kicks by the way, over the big leg who is wide left from 38.

 

[Breed]

As opposed to the clusterfuck of the last couple of seasons?

I should've clarified. I was referring specifically to Hall, Hall injuring himself......twice in one season, and in multiple seasons, Gibbs nonsensical decisions to stay with Hall as long as he did, keeping him on the roster etc and last, but by no means least. The Hall/Davekn partnership and the love that dare not speak its name that Davekn had for Hall.

Hall - 2004 missed 8 games due to injury
Hall - 2005 missed 6 games due to injury
Hall - 2006 finally gets cut and was hurt 5 games into the season

 

[Breed]

short and low kickoffs hamper kickoff coverage that is a fact. In todays nfl all kickoffs should be touchbacks, especially in domed stadiums. I believe its a huge disadvantage that we don't have a kicker that consistently gets touchbacks.

Its more than Forbath's kicks on the KO team though. As Tress Way tied for the NFL lead far as punt gross average at 47.5 yards. He drops to 10th though when it comes to net average with 40.0 yards. The Skins also gave up the 5th most yards, 397, on returns and had the 5th most punts returned with 42.

I'll hazard a guess that opposing coaching staffs looked to return both punts and kicks against the Skins. In large part due to the Skins shoddy coverage and tackling on the KO and punt teams.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I should've clarified. I was referring specifically to Hall, Hall injuring himself......twice in one season, and in multiple seasons, Gibbs nonsensical decisions to stay with Hall as long as he did, keeping him on the roster etc and last, but by no means least. The Hall/Davekn partnership and the love that dare not speak its name that Davekn had for Hall.

Hall - 2004 missed 8 games due to injury
Hall - 2005 missed 6 games due to injury
Hall - 2006 finally gets cut and was hurt 5 games into the season

Yes but like a shooting star when he was on he was magnificent.

 

[Breed]

Oh I totally get what Dean is saying, we are one of the few teams that can't count on setting up our defense on the 20 every kickoff.

No team in the NFL can depend on that.

The problem is finding that guy and also making sure he is good enough on FGs to actually have a kickoff to defend. We've probably had 25 kickers the last few decades and not one of them could do both so I'm keeping the guy who actually makes kicks, and big kicks by the way, over the big leg who is wide left from 38.

There was at least one, Graham Gano.

Last year he was 5th in the NFL far as distance on his kick offs.

Of his 79 KOs, 61, or 77% were touch-backs which percentage-wise was easily best in the league for TBs.

FG-wise for the last 3 years for the Panthers, Gano's been 9/11 - 81.8%, 24/27 - 88.8%, and 29/35 - 82.8%

 

[skinsdad62]

No team in the NFL can depend on that.



There was at least one, Graham Gano.

Last year he was 5th in the NFL far as distance on his kick offs.

Of his 79 KOs, 61, or 77% were touch-backs which percentage-wise was easily best in the league for TBs.

FG-wise for the last 3 years for the Panthers, Gano's been 9/11 - 81.8%, 24/27 - 88.8%, and 29/35 - 82.8%

too bad we didnt have patience with him . i dont have a big issue with forbath . we just need to cover kicks better to make up for it