Sorting teams in the NHL standings - continued

[Narva PSK]

Note: This is a continuation of another thread. The purpose of this is not to disrupt the message board in any way, but to seek an explanation for something about the NHL.

In the NHL, a 13-12 team would be listed ahead of a 12-10 team. But in the NBA or MLB, the 12-10 team would be listed ahead of a 13-12 team. In the NHL, if a 15-10 team lost five games while a 14-11 team doesn't play (I know that's not likely - it's just an illustration), the formerly 15-10 team would still lead the 14-11 team. In the NBA or MLB, if that were to happen, the 15-10 (or now 15-15) team would fall behind the 14-11 team.

Why does the NHL do this differently? It can't be because they have ties (or now overtime losses), as a tie (or now OTL) has the net value of half a win and half a loss. Why not simply use games behind and winning percentage as is used in MLB and the NBA?

Does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

[SLY]

Lmao

 

[TiLoBrown]

I smell a match penalty

 

[Automattic]

Note: This is a continuation of another thread. The purpose of this is not to disrupt the message board in any way, but to seek an explanation for something about the NHL.

In the NHL, a 13-12 team would be listed ahead of a 12-10 team. But in the NBA or MLB, the 12-10 team would be listed ahead of a 13-12 team. In the NHL, if a 15-10 team lost five games while a 14-11 team doesn't play (I know that's not likely - it's just an illustration), the formerly 15-10 team would still lead the 14-11 team. In the NBA or MLB, if that were to happen, the 15-10 (or now 15-15) team would fall behind the 14-11 team.

Why does the NHL do this differently? It can't be because they have ties (or now overtime losses), as a tie (or now OTL) has the net value of half a win and half a loss. Why not simply use games behind and winning percentage as is used in MLB and the NBA?

Does anyone have an explanation for this?

We pretty much sit here all day trying to find an explanation for 99% of the shit the league does.

 

[sbb122]

Maybe you should write to the NHL and they will make a new set on standings just for you to view...

 

[SLY]

We pretty much sit here all day trying to find an explanation for 99% of the shit the league does.

What does the NHL even stand for?

 

[Automattic]

What does the NHL even stand for?

I can't read. If your just gonna sit there and rub it in my face all day, then I just might snap.

 

[pixburgher66]

In the long run, the points system works out and the teams that should be in the playoffs are. Who really cares where a team sits during the season with games in hand and winning %. Every team plays 82 games by the end of it, and it works it self out, no?

 

[Narva PSK]

Maybe you should write to the NHL and they will make a new set on standings just for you to view...

I have written to them but never received a response. I'm guessing that there are some hockey experts in here who may have an explanation.

 

[Narva PSK]

In the long run, the points system works out and the teams that should be in the playoffs are. Who really cares where a team sits during the season with games in hand and winning %. Every team plays 82 games by the end of it, and it works it self out, no?

There are times when not all teams have played the same number of games. For example, 13-12-0 vs. 12-10-0. 13-12-0 is listed ahead even though 12-10-0 is clearly a better record.

 

[SLY]

I can't read. If your just gonna sit there and rub it in my face all day, then I just might snap.

Crackle and pop?

 

[Automattic]

I have written to them but never received a response. I'm guessing that there are some hockey experts in here who may have an explanation.

Gary, are you really trying to get the fans to do your work for you?

 

[SLY]

There are times when not all teams have played the same number of games. For example, 13-12-0 vs. 12-10-0. 13-12-0 is listed ahead even though 12-10-0 is clearly a better record.

13 Wins = 26 pts. 12 Wins = 24 pts.

What more do you need to know?

 

[Automattic]

Crackle and pop?

Oh so now I'm a midget elf with a funny little hat huh...

 

[SLY]

Oh so now I'm a midget elf with a funny little hat huh...

... with a Slayer shirt, yes.

 

[Narva PSK]

13 Wins = 26 pts. 12 Wins = 24 pts.

What more do you need to know?

Jeff, if you go strictly by points, then you effectively make a loss the same as not playing. So when comparing 13-12-0 vs. 12-10-0, you are really comparing 13-0-0 vs. 12-0-0.

Why should the detrimental value of the losses be ignored?

 

[SLY]

Jeff, if you go strictly by points, then you effectively make a loss the same as not playing. So when comparing 13-12-0 vs. 12-10-0, you are really comparing 13-0-0 vs. 12-0-0.

Why should the detrimental value of the losses be ignored?

Because they go by points not winning percentage.

 

[elocomotive]

In the long run, the points system works out and the teams that should be in the playoffs are. Who really cares where a team sits during the season with games in hand and winning %. Every team plays 82 games by the end of it, and it works it self out, no?

Yes. Either way you do it is imperfect. (1) You can rank teams by the points they actually have, but not account for the games they have yet to play. (2) You can rank teams by their overall winning percentage, which puts teams ahead of others that have yet to earn them and bases it on their likelihood to win games based on their record. Either way has flaws - it's bird in hand vs. the ones in the bush. You seem unable to recognize that.

 

[Automattic]

... with a Slayer shirt, yes.

I'd beat an oompa loompa's ass, that's for sure.

 

[pixburgher66]

Yes. Either way you do it is imperfect. (1) You can rank teams by the points they actually have, but not account for the games they have yet to play. (2) You can rank teams by their overall winning percentage, which puts teams ahead of others that have yet to earn them and bases it on their likelihood to win games based on their record. Either way has flaws - it's bird in hand vs. the ones in the bush. You seem unable to recognize that.

Yeah, I fail to see the point in this discussion. There's no explanation for the point system that makes it any better than the NBA/MLB way of doing it, but you can't have every team playing the same number of games on any given day. When every team is done playing their entire schedule, it doesn't matter. I understand what you're saying about the teams being ranked ahead, and not playing being a loss, but during the regular season, who cares? A smart fan will look at games played and realize "Well, we're 3 points behind Team A, but we have 2 games in hand, so we could effectively make up that ground". If a fan doesn't feel like doing that research...well, who cares.