Some miscellaneous stuff

[jarntt]

That is a good point. I found a video of him being targeted this season and the guy throwing him the ball was terrible. The routes he ran were decent and some were even good. He was getting open. I hope he can be a reliable target.

He was also the #4 WR on a poor Carolina team that is looking to the future and yet still behind numbers 1, 2 and 3 who weren't very good and he still got no action. looks like a horrible overpay. Could it work out? Of course it could, but the odds are way against this one IMO. Typical Dallas trading for a guy (and even saying it as if it’s meaningful) that they liked in the draft and seemingly have had blinders on ever since. If we like college tape we might as well play Deuce.

 

[Andresrenee]

Yep.this trade was another foolish move

Agreed. Even if it turns out to be a good move, we overpaid which is why Jerrah does not do free agency.

 

[UK Cowboy]

True but he deserves criticism this year as he is near the bottom of QBs in the league. For the last several years before, he was excellent and put up video game numbers against teams the boys should beat and then regressed to below average for games against good teams or with a defensive pulse. So yes, Dak is a great leader (although this year one could say he faulted there too) and an NFL QB but definitely not an elite or top 10 QB when it counts and this year extremely mediocre. And no a below average NFL QB. Should not be paid the most of any QB but that is on the owner.

I agree with PDay that it's the money and only the money. I love Dak to death and am proud to have a great kid like him at QB. And he's a very good player. But he is older now, no longer a great athlete and can't run like he used to. He needs talent around him and could win a Super Bowl if he had it. But not with this Owner and Son hiding behind the cap. If this were hated Philly, or KC or Baltimore, those are clubs that pay their QB and still go out and get them more help. With Jerry's business model, it's almost impossible to make it work

 

[UK Cowboy]

He was also the #4 WR on a poor Carolina team that is looking to the future and yet still behind numbers 1, 2 and 3 who weren't very good and he still got no action. looks like a horrible overpay. Could it work out? Of course it could, but the odds are way against this one IMO. Typical Dallas trading for a guy (and even saying it as if it’s meaningful) that they liked in the draft and seemingly have had blinders on ever since. If we like college tape we might as well play Deuce.

I agree with this. The kid may work out well, hope he does. But by all reports, the Panthers were stunned when the Cowboys offered a high 4th. Better receivers in this league have been had for a pic exchange. A 6th would have gotten this kid. Jerry has zero business making trades. He backed himself into a corner with his "something up my sleeve at the deadline" bullcrap

 

[PDay8810]

True but he deserves criticism this year as he is near the bottom of QBs in the league. For the last several years before, he was excellent and put up video game numbers against teams the boys should beat and then regressed to below average for games against good teams or with a defensive pulse. So yes, Dak is a great leader (although this year one could say he faulted there too) and an NFL QB but definitely not an elite or top 10 QB when it counts and this year extremely mediocre. And no a below average NFL QB. Should not be paid the most of any QB but that is on the owner.

but you skipped over the second part of the first sentence of the post.

 

[PDay8810]

He was also the #4 WR on a poor Carolina team that is looking to the future and yet still behind numbers 1, 2 and 3 who weren't very good and he still got no action. looks like a horrible overpay. Could it work out? Of course it could, but the odds are way against this one IMO. Typical Dallas trading for a guy (and even saying it as if it’s meaningful) that they liked in the draft and seemingly have had blinders on ever since. If we like college tape we might as well play Deuce.

I understand this point. You most certainly could be 100% correct. but separation seems to be a problem and somewhat size in the position group.

I'll just say coaching at one point in time was an honorable profession, not always the case on many sidelines today. I say this with experience from jr high to college, and assume the pros are no different.

Why do you post this?

Everything you see in life.
EGO
GREED.
MONEY.

The best football players on a team seldom equates to the starters.

oh and...your point about Deuce could be said about many football players each year. No?

 

[jarntt]

I understand this point. You most certainly could be 100% correct. but separation seems to be a problem and somewhat size in the position group.

I'll just say coaching at one point in time was an honorable profession, not always the case on many sidelines today. I say this with experience from jr high to college, and assume the pros are no different.

Why do you post this?

Everything you see in life.
EGO
GREED.
MONEY.

The best football players on a team seldom equates to the starters.

oh and...your point about Deuce could be said about many football players each year. No?

I don’t understand what you are asking. Deuce, a lot of our other draft picks we seemingly held onto too long, this kid, every player we trade for or sign that was a bust elsewhere that we traded for and immediately it came out “we liked the player coming out of college”. College tape is very important, but once a player plays in the pros for a few years that becomes more important. It seems like there are 2 or 3 guys per year we sign or trade for and always state “we liked them in the draft“. We are always stuck in the past and always thinking we are the missing piece. How many of these actually work out for us? And if it’s coaching alone, even worse for us because how many of our players seem to be doing better because of the current and former coaching in Dallas than they would do elsewhere?

 

[jarntt]

I agree with this. The kid may work out well, hope he does. But by all reports, the Panthers were stunned when the Cowboys offered a high 4th. Better receivers in this league have been had for a pic exchange. A 6th would have gotten this kid. Jerry has zero business making trades. He backed himself into a corner with his "something up my sleeve at the deadline" bullcrap

Absolutely could work out Amd damn am I hoping hard it does. If the over/under next year was 51 catches (that’s only 3 per game) what are you picking?

Jerry has taken so much crap for not improving this team this year after another disastrous showing in the only game that mattered last year and in particular by the stars he has hitched his wagon to going forward, from literally everyone and now that this is his only move to point to, I’m worried Jerry has already informed the HC that this kid needs to get the ball. It’s his only chance to save any face at all and Jerry doesn’t care about anything as much as being seen as a football guy. His sensitivity is at level 100 right now.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

I agree with this. The kid may work out well, hope he does. But by all reports, the Panthers were stunned when the Cowboys offered a high 4th. Better receivers in this league have been had for a pic exchange. A 6th would have gotten this kid. Jerry has zero business making trades. He backed himself into a corner with his "something up my sleeve at the deadline" bullcrap

Maybe he had a flask of whiskey up his sleeve?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Mingo has to come in and just kill it or that trade is a disaster. Our 4th will likely be a top 10 pick now. Picks at the top of the day 3 board are often gold, Dak Prescott, Jake Ferguson, etc.

or they experiment with the 4th. Some athletic guy & try to make them change positions or some shit.
Havent looked it up or anything, but if we dont trade our 4th I always felt like we fucked it off with the draft pick.
Feel like Dak & Ferguson are the exception.
I think the cowboys just got lucky. I think they were looking for backup QB & TE to just be somewhat useful. Dont think they were expecting Dak to turn into what he did & the TE was just an added body. Sprinkle in a little hope he would become a #2.

but you could be right. I am a bit jaded how we use our 4th's from the past. So without looking it up. I could be mistaken. (I still envision Stanback type picks)

 

[Schmoopy1000]

trying to use glass half full on Mingo coming to town.

He has been on a horrific team with horrific Qbs.
So maybe change in venue is what he needs.
Also even if he ends up just so-so, I hear he is a speedster. So if true, maybe he loosens up the defense for other receivers to get more room.

 

[Sir Robin Of Camelot]

trying to use glass half full on Mingo coming to town.

He has been on a horrific team with horrific Qbs.
So maybe change in venue is what he needs.
Also even if he ends up just so-so, I hear he is a speedster. So if true, maybe he loosens up the defense for other receivers to get more room.

We can always hope… because not a single point you made was in error.

 

[UK Cowboy]

or they experiment with the 4th. Some athletic guy & try to make them change positions or some shit.
Havent looked it up or anything, but if we dont trade our 4th I always felt like we fucked it off with the draft pick.
Feel like Dak & Ferguson are the exception.
I think the cowboys just got lucky. I think they were looking for backup QB & TE to just be somewhat useful. Dont think they were expecting Dak to turn into what he did & the TE was just an added body. Sprinkle in a little hope he would become a #2.

but you could be right. I am a bit jaded how we use our 4th's from the past. So without looking it up. I could be mistaken. (I still envision Stanback type picks)

High 4th is just great capital to me. Could be top 5 honestly. That's top of day 3 lots of teams will be looking to trade up and its also a way to move up. Hope you're right and he's a stud but everything Jerry has done this year has been a bust. I hope he's a stud too

 

[Schmoopy1000]

High 4th is just great capital to me. Could be top 5 honestly. That's top of day 3 lots of teams will be looking to trade up and its also a way to move up. Hope you're right and he's a stud but everything Jerry has done this year has been a bust. I hope he's a stud too

for the record.
I am not claiming he is gonna be a stud LOL
I would be happy if he becomes a decent #3.

 

[UK Cowboy]

for the record.
I am not claiming he is gonna be a stud LOL
I would be happy if he becomes a decent #3.

Haha. Man if he doesn't become that Jerry will catch Hell. I will say I remember the kid and thought he was a big play type. I heard the Cowboys had him graded high 3rd

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

daks lack of quality production this season and is getting brittle. I remember thinking that they should let him walk in FA. This contract looks way worse now. And trading that very high 4th round pick. Great job by Jerry the idiot.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

High 4th is just great capital to me. Could be top 5 honestly. That's top of day 3 lots of teams will be looking to trade up and its also a way to move up. Hope you're right and he's a stud but everything Jerry has done this year has been a bust. I hope he's a stud too

The kid has potential,but why not trade a 5th or 6th? This pisses me off the more I think about it. It's like this fool is trying to sabotage

 

[PDay8810]

for the record.
I am not claiming he is gonna be a stud LOL
I would be happy if he becomes a decent #3.

yes
always that chance. There is something the room liked. Jerry doesn't do the traditional GM duties.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Jerry doesn't do the traditional GM duties.

You said a mouthful there

 

[jarntt]

for the record.
I am not claiming he is gonna be a stud LOL
I would be happy if he becomes a decent #3.

It’s all about what you give up In trades. For a 4th round pick you should expect him to be a decent #3 at worst, not hope he becomes that And for what is very likely an early 4th round pick you can make the case being a decent #3 isn’t enough Because there is a good chance that pick is around player #110 in the draft.

the other point is why now? Are we going to have playoff success this year now if we just added a “decent #3”? Football is about SBs, not one and dones. That 4th round pick could most certainly be used in the off-season for a good player. I’d have been unloading bad contracts at the trade deadline, not trading for marginal guys. we should have added a couple draft picks, not given one up. It’s just the incompetence of this front office that seems to be th only consistent factor.