So who wins the SB

[KwitYerWhinin]

Lynch is a Beast, doe. Havent you heard?

I think he will eventually break out. he always does.
I dont feel as much confidence in RW as most "experts", but I think he will be able to make some plays and limit mistakes against a loaded box.

I dunno..I'm looking at regular season stats and it shows the lynch kid ranking number 6..and frankly with less ypc than our very own Knowshon Moreno...I dont see the fear....I certainly wouldn't call that a beast, and McCoy and Charles were quite significantly better this season, with the Bronco's handling them just fine.

I must be missing something...like artificial hype ?

 

[WizardHawk]

if they didn't have to sell out to stop the other two the same applies here.

both SB teams are tied at stopping the run and Phil. and KC had better QBs then Seattle does.

I don't see where Denver needs to sell out to do it or where Denver's CBs are that inferior at all against a Seattle passing game ?

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Denver was not good against the pass this year. No other way to say it. They did do well against the run, no doubt and that's where this game will be won or lost. If they can't keep Lynch down Wilson is going to freaking go off on them.

As for KC having a better QB? Smith lit them up for more than 50y rushing himself. If you are going to tell me right now that you would take Smith's legs over Wilson's it will be official: You are clueless.

Denver MUST contain Lynch and Wilson on the scramble. Those will enable them to take on the passing game. If they cannot it will be a looooong day for that unit. Sorry, but the 27th team against the pass isn't going to scare any QB. Just isn't.

 

[SonnyCID]

I dunno..I'm looking at regular season stats and it shows the lynch kid ranking number 6..and frankly with less ypc than our very own Knowshon Moreno...I dont see the fear....I certainly wouldn't call that a beast, and McCoy and Charles were quite significantly better this season, with the Bronco's handling them just fine.

I must be missing something...like artificial hype ?

You are missing something alright, knowledge. Those other guys are nice playmakers, but Lynch is a tone setter. You'll understand fully Sunday night.

 

[Midnightangel]

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Denver was not good against the pass this year. No other way to say it. They did do well against the run, no doubt and that's where this game will be won or lost. If they can't keep Lynch down Wilson is going to freaking go off on them.

As for KC having a better QB? Smith lit them up for more than 50y rushing himself. If you are going to tell me right now that you would take Smith's legs over Wilson's it will be official: You are clueless.

Denver MUST contain Lynch and Wilson on the scramble. Those will enable them to take on the passing game. If they cannot it will be a looooong day for that unit. Sorry, but the 27th team against the pass isn't going to scare any QB. Just isn't.

For about half the year, they were atrocious, yes. After that San Diego game they picked it up a notch.

Remember, last years SB winner - the Ravens - had an Oline that played badly most of the year then found themselves (if you will) about 3/4 of the way through and rode that all the way to the Lombardi.

Denver's defense isn't as bad as you think they are.

And judging by what I saw in the playoff games, Wilson can't 'go off' on anyone.

 

[Midnightangel]

T'was a joke.

Hence the laughing icon.

I was poking fun at BB saying that Welker took out Talibe intentionally.

Thanks for playing.

 

[WizardHawk]

I dunno..I'm looking at regular season stats and it shows the lynch kid ranking number 6..and frankly with less ypc than our very own Knowshon Moreno...I dont see the fear....I certainly wouldn't call that a beast, and McCoy and Charles were quite significantly better this season, with the Bronco's handling them just fine.

I must be missing something...like artificial hype ?

The only games Lynch had problems in were in the middle of the season when 3 of the starting O line were out with injuries. As much as we complain about our line and how bad they are at pass blocking, when healthy (as they are now) they are solid at run blocking and springing Lynch for huge games, especially in the second half when defenses start to wear down. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was told Denver didn't have a lot of depth left in their front 7 due to injuries. They might have some success at slowing him down early, but if they don't have fresh bodies the 3rd quarter is where you will see him breaking them open.

 

[SonnyCID]

For about half the year, they were atrocious, yes. After that San Diego game they picked it up a notch.

Remember, last years SB winner - the Ravens - had an Oline that played badly most of the year then found themselves (if you will) about 3/4 of the way through and rode that all the way to the Lombardi.

Denver's defense isn't as bad as you think they are.

And judging by what I saw in the playoff games, Wilson can't 'go off' on anyone.

Kind of like Lynch averaging 125 yards per game on the ground in the playoffs.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

You are missing something alright, knowledge. Those other guys are nice playmakers, but Lynch is a tone setter. You'll understand fully Sunday night.

no seriously...give me something factual here...those guys arent just playmakers, they are every bit as much tone setters as your boy....give me some facts here not just bluster...he also has a bit of a fumbling problem, not as bad as Wilson does, but certainly that can be taken advantage of as well...heck, Wilson alone has 10 fumbles on the year. He takes A ALOT of sacks and fumbles pretty often being sacked. You cant just make silly claims without having something substantial to back it up. Lets hear it

 

[Midnightangel]

Kind of like Lynch averaging 125 yards per game on the ground in the playoffs.

Wow. Nice deflection.

See how we were talking about WILSON and you switched it LYNCH?

Like I said, WILSON won't go off on anyone.

 

[SonnyCID]

no seriously...give me something factual here...those guys arent just playmakers, they are every bit as much tone setters as your boy....give me some facts here not just bluster...he also has a bit of a fumbling problem, not as bad as Wilson does, but certainly that can be taken advantage of as well...heck, Wilson alone has 10 fumbles on the year. He takes A ALOT of sacks and fumbles pretty often being sacked. You cant just make silly claims without having something substantial to back it up. Lets hear it

15-3 is the only fact I need.

They are not tone setters like him. It's OK that you dont know that, as you seem to believe that the game is played in a stat box. All you can do is watch and learn on Sunday.

 

[ram29jackson]

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Denver was not good against the pass this year. No other way to say it. They did do well against the run, no doubt and that's where this game will be won or lost. If they can't keep Lynch down Wilson is going to freaking go off on them.

As for KC having a better QB? Smith lit them up for more than 50y rushing himself. If you are going to tell me right now that you would take Smith's legs over Wilson's it will be official: You are clueless.

Denver MUST contain Lynch and Wilson on the scramble. Those will enable them to take on the passing game. If they cannot it will be a looooong day for that unit. Sorry, but the 27th team against the pass isn't going to scare any QB. Just isn't.

context- passing defense stats for Denver are loaded by teams catching up with the pass. That doesn't hold much water as an argument

 

[SonnyCID]

Wow. Nice deflection.

See how we were talking about WILSON and you switched it LYNCH?

Like I said, WILSON won't go off on anyone.

Oh, OK. Now you dont like deflection?

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

The only games Lynch had problems in were in the middle of the season when 3 of the starting O line were out with injuries. As much as we complain about our line and how bad they are at pass blocking, when healthy (as they are now) they are solid at run blocking and springing Lynch for huge games, especially in the second half when defenses start to wear down. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was told Denver didn't have a lot of depth left in their front 7 due to injuries. They might have some success at slowing him down early, but if they don't have fresh bodies the 3rd quarter is where you will see him breaking them open.

I appreciate the effort to make a point but....Denver has been just as good if not better in run stopping late in the season (after losing linemen) as they were before. It would appear there are "enough bodies" as they have been plenty successful late in the season and in the playoffs.

 

[WizardHawk]

For about half the year, they were atrocious, yes. After that San Diego game they picked it up a notch.

Remember, last years SB winner - the Ravens - had an Oline that played badly most of the year then found themselves (if you will) about 3/4 of the way through and rode that all the way to the Lombardi.

Denver's defense isn't as bad as you think they are.

And judging by what I saw in the playoff games, Wilson can't 'go off' on anyone.

With all due respect since you are actually taking instead of preaching,

I don't think Denver's defense is garbage at all. I don't have a lot of respect for NE or SD this year so I do consider who they were playing and likewise so far Seattle has played against SF and NO, both had punishing defenses. When it comes to pass defense the Saints were 2nd best and SF like 7th best in the league. Not impressed with Seattle's passing game in both of those? Well no kidding, but I think most of us believe we will see the same Wilson we did against the other teams near the middle of the pack in pass coverage.

Again, it all depends on that rushing defense. Lynch has to move in the second half and Wilson has to be able to get out of the pocket and either run or create plays on the scramble. If they can do either/both of those then their passing game will be just fine.

 

[SonnyCID]

The fact is the Seahawks have won games in all types of fashions, blowouts, shootouts, defensive struggles, fighting back after getting down big......

The Broncos have won games on Manning's arm.

Seattle is the more complete team. This will be on display Sunday.

 

[KwitYerWhinin]

15-3 is the only fact I need.

They are not tone setters like him. It's OK that you dont know that, as you seem to believe that the game is played in a stat box. All you can do is watch and learn on Sunday.

So basically you are saying that you have No facts that would support your assertions ? Thats what I thought. I'll take me some Jamaal Charles over your boy every day of the week and ten times on Sunday. Feel free to call him a tone setter if you choose, but no manner of facts support that.

 

[SonnyCID]

So basically you are saying that you have No facts that would support your assertions ? Thats what I thought. I'll take me some Jamaal Charles over your boy every day of the week and ten times on Sunday. Feel free to call him a tone setter if you choose, but no manner of facts support that.

My facts are on tape, not in words. There will be more to add to that tape on Sunday.

 

[WizardHawk]

I appreciate the effort to make a point but....Denver has been just as good if not better in run stopping late in the season (after losing linemen) as they were before. It would appear there are "enough bodies" as they have been plenty successful late in the season and in the playoffs.

And I'm saying that now that the line is back to healthy they have played some of the tougher run stopping defenses and been just fine. We heard all week going into the NFCCG how SF was going to hold lynch to under 50y because of that tough defense they have. Well, that didn't work out so well for them.

You asked a question about why Lynch's season numbers were down and I answered it. He had no problems breaking 100+ when his line wasn't garbage and the line is back to 100% full strength. I think most of us feel pretty confident he will reach his 100, but most of it will be in the second half. Again, I'm more interested in hearing if your depth is as shallow on the front 7 as advertised. Again, if you can't substitute out a lot of fresh legs late I'm not sure you can keep up your early efforts.

 

[Midnightangel]

With all due respect since you are actually taking instead of preaching,

I don't think Denver's defense is garbage at all. I don't have a lot of respect for NE or SD this year so I do consider who they were playing and likewise so far Seattle has played against SF and NO, both had punishing defenses. When it comes to pass defense the Saints were 2nd best and SF like 7th best in the league. Not impressed with Seattle's passing game in both of those? Well no kidding, but I think most of us believe we will see the same Wilson we did against the other teams near the middle of the pack in pass coverage.

Again, it all depends on that rushing defense. Lynch has to move in the second half and Wilson has to be able to get out of the pocket and either run or create plays on the scramble. If they can do either/both of those then their passing game will be just fine.

Thank you for the intelligent response. I'll respond in kind.

Yes, Seattle beat NO, but they played them in Seattle. Yes? NO is horrible in bad weather. They deny that but we know it to be true.

I don't know how Wilson is going to react. This is another advantage Manning has on him. The SB brings pressure all it's own and one never knows how one is going to handle it until it's time. There are men that it simply doesn't bother - there are some it beats down.

Which is Russell Wilson? We'll have to wait and see.

I think the Broncos are going to have to go with 8 men in the box to contain Lynch. At that point the question is, can Wilson make the throws he needs to make.

It's clear from SB XL that you don't need a QB to play lights out to win the SB. Big Ben was beyond horrible but was bailed out by the defense and running game. Wilson, to win this game, doesn't have to play up to Manning's level - he just has to do what he did against the 49er's - don't lose it. Protect the ball. Don't make the mistake. Don't try to play above yourself and be a hero - just be you.

 

[ram29jackson]

It's clear from SB XL that you don't need a QB to play lights out to win the SB. Big Ben was beyond horrible but was bailed out by the defense and running game. Wilson, to win this game, doesn't have to play up to Manning's level - he just has to do what he did against the 49er's - don't lose it. Protect the ball. Don't make the mistake. Don't try to play above yourself and be a hero - just be you.

Pittsburgh wasn't competing against a Manning or superior offense either at the time. Its not a valid comparison