So what if KC lights it up?

[j_y19]

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet. There is also the possible advantage of little game tape on Cousins at this time that could help give an edge and that Jordan and Young will be back which definitely makes a difference. That's an additional solid receiving threat and someone who really helps our running game.

Reed still isn't practicing so he has to be doubtful at this point. That hurts.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Reed still isn't practicing so he has to be doubtful at this point. That hurts.

Damn, I didn't realize that. With all this other drama, it's been hard to keep up, lol. I just assumed he would probably play this week, given how much time has passed. This feels like more than a simple concussion issue with him at this point. Anyone know anything more?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

J_Y.... a few things we can be sure of this week. Atlanta is going to bring the heat and throw everything they can at Cousins. While they are having an off season, they are looking for a feel good right about now. Its already been debunked that Atlanta is any worse than most of the defenses we have faced up to this point. I think (provided the team hasnt mailed it in) we are going to see a markedly better performance from the line and the offense as a whole. Sure we likely will give up a couple of sacks. But it will be very interesting to see how they perform with Cousins under center and him not coming into the game down by 30 points. The next three weeks will either prove that the line is garbage as has been said, or ...........

Falcons could start 5 or more rookies on defense - The Washington Post

Let's qualify this a little. As per this link - the Falcons could be starting 5 or more rookies on defense this week. I suppose that could work out well, but in all likelihood they will have problems (good). Just keep that in mind (again - I hope the Skins & Cousins do well). All of this to me is about the Redskins doing well - not liking RG3 or Cousins.

 

[Sharkinva]

Socal... believe me if Cousins comes out and stinks up the joint by throwing picks, giving up fumbles and in general looking unprepared, I will be the first to call him out.


But my thinking is, if he comes out and looks good many will jump to the spin control of well he was playing against a poor defense, the game had no meaning and generally any thing other than admitting he played well. Personally IM holding him to the same standard I would hold Griffin to in this situation. This is a defense we should feast on. Much like NY, Dallas and a few others we have already played this year.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Socal... believe me if Cousins comes out and stinks up the joint by throwing picks, giving up fumbles and in general looking unprepared, I will be the first to call him out.


But my thinking is, if he comes out and looks good many will jump to the spin control of well he was playing against a poor defense, the game had no meaning and generally any thing other than admitting he played well. Personally IM holding him to the same standard I would hold Griffin to in this situation. This is a defense we should feast on. Much like NY, Dallas and a few others we have already played this year.

Fair enough.

 

[skinsdad62]

i expect he could struggle and if he does then you have to chalk that up to inexperience

however i expect people who think KC would have more wins then RG3 will keep the same standard for KC that they did for RG3

 

[Sharkinva]

i expect he could struggle and if he does then you have to chalk that up to inexperience

however i expect people who think KC would have more wins then RG3 will keep the same standard for KC that they did for RG3

I had the same standards for every QB Skinsdad... LOL

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I had the same standards for every QB Skinsdad... LOL

I'm confused. I thought your expectations of Griff were much higher based on the number of draft picks given up to attain him? Or am I missing something?

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm confused. I thought your expectations of Griff were much higher based on the number of draft picks given up to attain him? Or am I missing something?

Yep, you are confused. The standards for his play, and the standards for making the trade a sucess are totally different in my view.


Standards for a QB are simple... accurate, ability to read a defense, and score points. Lead the team. I could care less if Beyonce was under center if she got us a super bowl.

Standards for the trade, for me to consider IT a success, we had better win a couple of Lombardis with griffin as the QB. Otherwise the trade was a failure. Which is why i said Griffin could in fact become a very good QB and the trade ultimately be a failure in my book.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

NFL - RG III a victim of his own swagger - ESPN

I am not a Whitlock fan, but this is a great article. It pretty much captures my feelings. This offseason will be a huge test for RG3 & he needs to use his time wisely. If he humbles himself & works on his faults relentlessly (as he is very capable of doing) things may not turn out that bad after all. As the article alluded to - this may be the kick in the ass that he needs at this time.

 

[j_y19]

This is a good article and I also agree with the gist of it. I also think that this is what shark and GK are also saying. This is why I have expressed concern over who rg3 is getting advice from. Who is in his inner circle. Is it just his dad and agent telling him how great he is and how he is being misused or is there anyone that tells him the truth? He needs to work on the right things this offseason. Get rid of the arm sleeve. Get rid of the hand flip after every pass. Don't worry about being the strongest guy in the weight room. Work on your mechanics, they are terrible right now. Spend more time in the film room than the weight room. Don't worry if garçon, or any other player, says they can beat you in a race. You want a WR faster than you.

The good news is the kid is a worker. He just needs to be listening to those that will be real with him.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Yep, you are confused. The standards for his play, and the standards for making the trade a sucess are totally different in my view.


Standards for a QB are simple... accurate, ability to read a defense, and score points. Lead the team. I could care less if Beyonce was under center if she got us a super bowl.

Standards for the trade, for me to consider IT a success, we had better win a couple of Lombardis with griffin as the QB. Otherwise the trade was a failure. Which is why i said Griffin could in fact become a very good QB and the trade ultimately be a failure in my book.

Thx for the clarification. My stance is the same: standards for any QB must always come directly from the performance, results and execution on the field.

Though, I still have a different criteria than multiple SBs for the trade valuation.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Kyle Shanahan ?disappointed? by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk

WTF? Yet another confusing report. They are certainly making a case against father & son ever working for the same team.

 

[j_y19]

Kyle Shanahan ?disappointed? by decision to shut down Griffin | ProFootballTalk

WTF? Yet another confusing report. They are certainly making a case against father & son ever working for the same team.

I think this is Kyle's way of distancing himself from this whole mess. Plausible deniability. I don't, for one second, believe that Mike and Kyle hadn't talked about this and kyle knew which way mike was leaning.

 

[skinsdad62]

my standards for a qb are simple

they are the same as anyone elses

except that we need a fan base to not have some stupid expectations on how a guy with no offseason should miraculously read every defense thrown in front of him and not expect an injury such as an acl/lcl wont have an effect on a myriad of things starting with but not ending with mechanics

 

[Sharkinva]

my standards for a qb are simple

they are the same as anyone elses

except that we need a fan base to not have some stupid expectations on how a guy with no offseason should miraculously read every defense thrown in front of him and not expect an injury such as an acl/lcl wont have an effect on a myriad of things starting with but not ending with mechanics

Sorry dude. But when you come out and proclaim yourself ready, the team proclaims you ready, you dont then get a mulligan. I will give you the physical aspect, and even the mechanics as they are a part of the physical aspect. But the mental aspects of the game, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have played. You cant say I got this... then go sike.

 

[skinsdad62]

Sorry dude. But when you come out and proclaim yourself ready, the team proclaims you ready, you dont then get a mulligan. I will give you the physical aspect, and even the mechanics as they are a part of the physical aspect. But the mental aspects of the game, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have played. You cant say I got this... then go sike.

and name me one guy who hasnt thought he was ready and then came to the realization that maybe he wasnt

shit AP said he was ready last season but it took 6 games to get there and RB is the easiest position to play in the NFL

as for the mental aspects how is he going to learn to read a defense by holding a clip board ? getting mental reps only goes so far . you cant measure the speed of the game with that .

and again where was this monday nite vs the eagles ? everyone thought RG3 was going to go in and tear it up and when everyone finds out that his recovery wasnt a walk in the park then they blame him .

as far as i am concerned he did everything he could to help us win and it didnt work out that way

the fan base the coaching staff all wanted that kid in there and now they bail on him when you asked him to do the impossible

he should be commended for doing what he could . he could have gone derrick rose on us but he didnt . he wanted ti help us win .

 

[Sharkinva]

Skinsdad, I see you have dug in your heals on this one. You win dude, lets just leave it alone already.

 

[j_y19]

he did everything he could to help us win and it didnt work out that way

Dad, I think that RG3 did everything he thought was right to help us win. But, in hindsight, in may not have been what the team needed. His focus appeared to be all on his physical recovery, which is understandable. But he set a goal, all in for week 1, which may have put unrealistic expectations on him and the coaching staff and appeared to be very inflexible about coming off of that, and that was all him. He put Shanahan in a bind when he made statements like "they promised me that I would start week 1". What we know now is that he wasn't ready to play. Physically, maybe he was with the exception of rust. Mentally, clearly he wasn't. I don't fault him hard for this, he is young and had no idea what it was like to be mentally prepared to be an NFL QB. Where I might fault him some is that I don't think he would have listened if anyone suggested that he wasn't ready for week 1. He just assumed that if he could run and throw, he could be an NFL QB. So RG3 is not without fault on this. Neither is Shanahan. He is the HC. IF he felt RG3 wasn't ready and did not give the team the best opportunity to play, then he should have sat him until he did.

I'll say it again. I think one of the major issues that many have with RG3 is his hubris and his "me" centric statements such as "I give the team the best opportunity to win" even tho he has a destroyed knee (after the Seattle game), or "all in for Week 1" irregardless of he hasn't taken a live snap all preseason. This mentality may be what he thinks is best for the team, but he needs to learn to temper his message and consult and listen to his coaches and senior teammates before making such proclamations.

Its all a learning process and hopefully he learns from this.

 

[PDay8810]

"the fan base the coaching staff all wanted that kid in there and now they bail on him when you asked him to do the impossible "

ya know dad.....I don't think there is any question about this after reading the national story and this board. I know I've never seen a lame duck coach bench a healthy franchise QB with 3 games to play in order to protect him from the inadequate play of his teammates around him while all the time calling him the starter for next season. That's messed up right there on so many fronts. Makes for some big drama in DC over the next 3 to 4 weeks and the strings are being pulled by a lame duck coach with an ax to grind.