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Otherwise there is no fucking way either of them should not be in the hall of fame. Also, Biggio was clean, Bagwell wasn't. Got it
I doubt that juicing had much to do with either of them. If juicing was the reason, their numbers would have been much lower, I think.
If they were both determined to be roiders, their numbers would have been south of Bonds and Clemens (about 37%).
Both are on "my ballot", but there are arguments against them..
Raines - Not the elite of his type player during his era. Had a short timeframe where he was "elite". Does not have 3K hits.
Piazza - Not a good defensive C. The "gay thing" probably cost him some votes. No rings. (I am starting to reach).
Otherwise there is no fucking way either of them should not be in the hall of fame. Also, Biggio was clean, Bagwell wasn't. Got it
C'mon man. There have been rumors that Piazza juiced for a long time. Whether they are true or not, who's to say besides Piazza. But that doesn't stop the whispers.
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying though. Bagwell's stats are good enough so I assume whispers about him is what is keeping him out. But then it is kind of hard to believe Biggio wasn't if Caminiti and Bagwell were. Who knows? Dykstra has claimed he and a lot of other guys were doing it in the early 90's but Kruk and Schilling say they didn't so I guess maybe Biggio was clean. The whole thing is a mess. And no one knows exactly when people started using steroids and stuff. They weren't officially banned til 2003 and bagwell was almost done by then. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some guys were using stuff that is now illegal in the 80's as well. How did Darrell Evans suddenly go back to hitting a bunch of homeruns at age 38-40?