So Sanders not getting drafted through 3 rounds is clearly collision right?

[dtgold88]

The Browns have to "keep" Deshaun Watson, but he will be on IR all year. If they released him now, he would cost them a nearly $100M cap hit immediately and they would be over the cap by too much to overcome. They are trying to keep him there throughout the remainder of his contract to try to recoup some of the lost money via insurance.

It is my firm believe and fervent hope that he never sees another snap in a Browns uniform.

Pretty sure get some cap relief too with his injury.

 

[dtgold88]

Ya, I completely get the untenable sitch with Watson and agree it best if he never plays another snap for y'all , the post was more regarding drafting Gabriel FIRST - then Sanders as any type of rational QB strategy. Set up controversy for the team before a snap happens

whatever one thinks of this regime I'm glad they don't make choices on what anyone outside the building thinks.

 

[dtgold88]

Doesn't seem they have all that much faith in him though, does it
Plus, that line of thinking doesn't make any sense. They took Sanders also. So they took Sanders because they wanted him also

I mean, most players going late 3rd amount to little or nothing and QB being kind of important decided to take another shot at the position since they don't know if we have a longterm solution.

 

[dtgold88]

Gabriel was picked by Berry and Stefanski.

Shedeur was picked by the owner. There is a great video showing the pick announcement with Stefanski and Berry sitting there with "I just sharted" looks on their faces. They knew how stupid it made them look.

The last QB the owner picked was Johnny Manziel.

so many real things this team has done to be critical not sure why so many make things up for which to be critical. Berry and Stefanski not exactly excitable fellows in the first place. Berry spent a lot of time with that Roseman guy so likely knows a little about trying to get value about a pick and this was a guy he likely thought would have gone much earlier and still on the board.

FYI, if you believe this did you see Haslam after the #2 pick was traded? Genuinely looks kind of mad (not indifferent like Berry after Sanders move). I guess this means they traded the #2 pick against the owner's wishes?

 

[dtgold88]

Yearly reminder that all these mock drafts are done by random bozos.

Really amazes me how often fans call reach because of where a fake drafter guessed the real drafters might take a guy...never think maybe it's the fake drafter who was wrong?

 

[dtgold88]

If the owner steps in and forces the coach and gm to take a player they clearly don't want it is not nothing. This also means that the owner is likely to try and force them to play Sanders.

Browns had a clear plan, play a high floor low upside qb this year, then use their multiple 1sts in next year's qb heavy draft to get their guy. Owner stomped out all the planning of the professionals.

Sanders is inconsequential, the owner is an embarrassment.

IF this was what happened, sure.....but it's not what happened. Unless you think the FO conspired against Haslam's wishes to trade the #2 pick?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

whatever one thinks of this regime I'm glad they don't make choices on what anyone outside the building thinks.

Yep, they have such a proven great track record with QBs within the building and organization.

Look I get it, defend your franchise. I'm not entrenched in any opinions regarding your team.

I dealt with the Skins for 25 years of ineptitude and called them out on their continuous BS but you do you.

Hope your QB room sitch shows results - sincerely - their fans deserve that.

 

[dtgold88]

The player or upside are irrelevant to me, an owner overriding his GM and head coach to force a pick is what is bad about it. Especially when your GM is was killing like he was in this one. Another team comes calling offering him a chance away from current ownership I think he is instantly interested.

I feel like when narratives are made up people should be more creative.

 

[SteelersPride]

Really amazes me how often fans call reach because of where a fake drafter guessed the real drafters might take a guy...never think maybe it's the fake drafter who was wrong?

There are SO SO many folks doing mocks now, analysis. All the fantasy guys do it. They SUCK. Most mocks, suck. Theres a few guys I follow that really seem to hit the mark year after year on draft analysis. But otherwise, its all noise.

I heard an interview on mcafee yesterday with a guy from the Panthers. He was quoting someone as saying, "If he falls past round 2 pick 6....the league views him as a backup. Thats just the reality. Then you factor in his attitude and circus, for a backup. Most teams wont want that baggage. I get that. Also stating that backups alot of times arent always the most talented, but the guys with infectious personalities and great team mates, good minds. Guys that help the starter, support the team etc. Its like for years steelers had charlie batch. THeres a reason for that.

 

[dtgold88]

ignoring previous embarassing moves... i have no problem with an owner pushing their agenda... they just HAVE to be correct...

i am sure most owners every once in a while will push something...

at least in this situation, he waited until the 5th round to push something...

again, i dont see this to be an example of bad ownership... especially when there is no downside and only upside...

even moreso likely was not pushed in this case.

 

[dtgold88]

Except his forced pick overrides their choice in the 3rd round. With Sanders being hand-picked by the owner, you don't think there will be undo pressure to force the guy they clearly did not want? It is only a 5th round, but he is trampling all over a clear plan to force it. Even worse, if Sanders shows semi-competence is the owner going to prevent them from using their multiple firsts to get Arch Manning or Klubnick?

Its not the midround pick, it is all the potential for other issues. Sanders is likely a slightly stronger armed Chad Pennington, and if he plays like it and they can't justify trading significant capital getting a potential elite QB it is a massive issue. The eventual blame won't fall on the owner either, even if he would be 100% at fault.

a slightly stronger armed Pennington? In round 5?

yes, please......credit to whoever made the pick (likely the FO and not owner).

 

[dtgold88]

Apparently, at least what I heard is....for months now they have liked Gabriel. They had a private workout with him and dinner, so on. So they had him targeted but Haslem, the owner, saw Shedeur on the board and wanted him...so it was his call. Not sure if it was all him but the reaction in the draft room backs up that theory

OK....but that means they traded the #2 pick when Haslam was against it (he actully did look upset when the pick was made unlike Berry just looked calm when sanders taken)?

 

[dtgold88]

Chad Pennington had some good years, people forget him

Right? That was a terrible reason to rip the pick. Stronger armed Pennington in round 5? Uh......OK.

 

[dtgold88]

Yep, they have such a proven great track record with QBs within the building and organization.

Look I get it, defend your franchise. I'm not entrenched in any opinions regarding your team.

I dealt with the Skins for 25 years of ineptitude and called them out on their continuous BS but you do you.

Hope your QB room sitch shows results - sincerely - their fans deserve that.

Not so much defending the franchise just what deserves to be defended (or at least educate you).....I mean, overall this team has been a complete disaster since the return in 1999 (and really pretty bad mostly since early 70s), But what has THIS regime done that's so bad concerning QBs or even overall? They had previously drafted only 1 QB and was in 5th round.......did they draft Watson who waas a complete disaster? Yep, but a move a dozen or so other teams tried to make and made sense at time......despite walking into a pretty bad situation have made playoffs 2X in 5 seasons in an incredibly tough division.

Hopefully you are not holding them responsible for mistakes made by others as that would be as foolish as crediting them for the Paul Brown years.

 

[dtgold88]

There are SO SO many folks doing mocks now, analysis. All the fantasy guys do it. They SUCK. Most mocks, suck. Theres a few guys I follow that really seem to hit the mark year after year on draft analysis. But otherwise, its all noise.

I heard an interview on mcafee yesterday with a guy from the Panthers. He was quoting someone as saying, "If he falls past round 2 pick 6....the league views him as a backup. Thats just the reality. Then you factor in his attitude and circus, for a backup. Most teams wont want that baggage. I get that. Also stating that backups alot of times arent always the most talented, but the guys with infectious personalities and great team mates, good minds. Guys that help the starter, support the team etc. Its like for years steelers had charlie batch. THeres a reason for that.

agree....if I had to name a couple I like it's Daniel Jeremiah and Brugler.

and even they don't know too much because as we know REAL FOs are like the CIA when it comes to draft intel and don't tell anyone their real plans.

 

[dtgold88]

There are SO SO many folks doing mocks now, analysis. All the fantasy guys do it. They SUCK. Most mocks, suck. Theres a few guys I follow that really seem to hit the mark year after year on draft analysis. But otherwise, its all noise.

I heard an interview on mcafee yesterday with a guy from the Panthers. He was quoting someone as saying, "If he falls past round 2 pick 6....the league views him as a backup. Thats just the reality. Then you factor in his attitude and circus, for a backup. Most teams wont want that baggage. I get that. Also stating that backups alot of times arent always the most talented, but the guys with infectious personalities and great team mates, good minds. Guys that help the starter, support the team etc. Its like for years steelers had charlie batch. THeres a reason for that.

agree....if I had to name a couple I like it's Daniel Jeremiah and Brugler.

and even they don't know too much because as we know REAL FOs are like the CIA when it comes to draft intel and don't tell anyone their real plans.

 

[dtgold88]

Teams will put up with it if they feel you are an elite talent. Sanders does not do 1 thing that is "elite". His arm, recognition, and other traits are average to maybe slightly above average. His comp% is very impressive, but came with the caveat that roughly 70% of his throws were targeted 3 yards or less. That means roughly 70% of the yards he threw for were his WR's YAC.

So, yes - it's elitist in a way - but people put up with Favre for years. Rodgers for years. Etc..etc...the reason people soured on them at the end is because they were no longer elite, and the baggage that came with them wasn't worth it.

It's not just that though....teams will put up with that if a clear starter. Most teams have a starter at QB so agree not putting up with it for a backup.

 

[dtgold88]

Going into preseason with Flacco, Pickett, and Gabriel battling for the QB1 job isn't a plan. That scenario is what happens when you either don't have a plan or your plan is wiped out by a hurricane/earthquake/plane crash/other disaster.

better plan is take a QB high in draft you really don't believe in?

 

[dtgold88]

As for the Browns, Andrew Berry has to be pissed at Haslam for putting him in this situation.

doubtful since likely didn't go down that way.

 

[dtgold88]

The reaction in the draft room said it all. They did not want him.

reaction where Berry/Stefanski had facial expressions like they often have and are not that excitable?

Can someone who thinks this narrative is factual explain how they were able to trade the #2 pick when Haslam was so clearly against it if facial expressions matter (that may not even have been timed right to the picks)?