So if TCU and USC both lose

[fredsdeadfriend]

It's gonna be a whole different ballgame with 12 teams in the playoffs.

But I'd welcome a formal challenger like USC

That's true about the 12 team playoffs, a win in the CCG won't be required anymore, or even an appearance in the CCG, at least not for B1G & SEC teams, and occasionally PAC/ACC/Big 12 teams as well. May even find a lowly program like Minnesota sneaking in? lol

Could see 3 B1G teams getting in almost every season, with 4 getting in sometimes as well.

 

[PIBuckeye]

I now think conference championship games are unnecessary...especially this season. All it does is create potential disaster for teams that have already proven themselves. All five power conference teams have an outright regular season championship...

ACC--Clemson (10-2, 8-0)
Big Ten--Michigan (12-0, 9-0)
Big XII--TCU (12-0, 9-0)
Pac-12--USC (11-1, 8-1)
SEC--Georgia (12-0, 8-0)

I will say this. I'd be in favor of a play-in game if two teams that finished tied for 1st but didn't face each other during the regular season. For example, had Oregon defeated Oregon St you could have USC (11-1, 8-1) vs Oregon (10-2, 8-1) in a championship game. That'd be a legit reason for a CCG.

Purdue (8-4) gets to play for the Big Ten title. That's beyond ridiculous. Michigan shouldn't have to play that game...but, we all know what the bottom line is...$$$

right.

and what if some important players for mich. get hurt and are out? then you are going to hear big talk of shutting down CCGs. there is no point.

 

[Ron G]

If a two loss non division champion (Alabama) gets in over any 1 loss Power Five team or two loss Power Five Conference (Clemson) champion, then it would confirm that regardless of what a team does Alabama always gets in no matter what. If Alabama gets in, then the designation Power Five is a sham and should be dropped.
It's not to say Alabama could not win it all if they got in, only that they did not do what they needed to do to deserve being in. Any team can win a two-game tournament.
When the playoff expands to 8 or 12 teams, I would always take the field against the top seed.

 

[Gator]

I now think conference championship games are unnecessary...especially this season. All it does is create potential disaster for teams that have already proven themselves. All five power conference teams have an outright regular season championship...

No offense but this is the kind of thinking that is KILLING CFB. The good teams play few enough quality opponents as it is. They don't play anyone OOC anymore and now you want to eliminate CCG's.

 

[wazzu31]

I still an Avenue where Oregon can get in SKKOO

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No offense but this is the kind of thinking that is KILLING CFB. The good teams play few enough quality opponents as it is. They don't play anyone OOC anymore and now you want to eliminate CCG's.

I'm hoping the expanded playoffs will encourage teams to schedule better OOC

 

[Stakesarehigh]

If a two loss non division champion (Alabama) gets in over any 1 loss Power Five team or two loss Power Five Conference (Clemson) champion, then it would confirm that regardless of what a team does Alabama always gets in no matter what. If Alabama gets in, then the designation Power Five is a sham and should be dropped.
It's not to say Alabama could not win it all if they got in, only that they did not do what they needed to do to deserve being in. Any team can win a two-game tournament.
When the playoff expands to 8 or 12 teams, I would always take the field against the top seed.

Said much the same thing. They may as well rename it the Alabama invitational.

I'm hoping one of USC and Tcu lose so that OSU makes it in but not both. I'd almost prefer they both win as to lose.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

I'm hoping the expanded playoffs will encourage teams to schedule better OOC

I believe Minnesota is trying to do their part.

2023 - @ UNC & vs Louisiana (vs Mich, vs MSU, @ OSU, too)
2024 - vs UNC
2025 - @ Cali
2026 - vs Miss St
2027 - @ Miss St
2028 - vs Cali
2029 - ?
2030 - ?
2031 - ?
2032 - vs Alabama
2033 - @ Alabama

And I've heard at least one big name mentioned, I believe it was Oklahoma, that UMn is in talks with for 2029-2031. Other than Cali who is struggling right now, that's a pretty solid list.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

I am not sure that both matter.
The only team that is likely not secured is USC.

USC clearly matters, that 2nd loss really opens the door for 1-loss Ohio State.

But if TCU loses, they are probably in regardless. And they should be as well.
The committee really likes Kansas State. Once I saw how staggeringly high K-State was ranked, that was a clear message for TCU as well.
TCU would have to get their asses kicked pretty badly.

Now if chaos ensues like LSU/Purdue/K-State/Utah all wins........then TCU could be a victim of the complete chaos reorder shuffling.

 

[Gator]

I'm hoping the expanded playoffs will encourage teams to schedule better OOC

I think it is going to re-enforce the trend. The CFP seedings are based on rankings and as people have pointed out those typically follow W/L records. Why would any team risk playing a good OOC opponent when it could hurt their chances? Right now it actually benefits a team to play in a "down" conference. It is easier for a team to go 12-0 in a weakened conference. Teams will just play their in-conference schedule plus 3 or 4 lousy OOC games and bank on the "Conference Champ" slogan to get a berth in the CFP. Until the Committee comes out and publicly states that the seeding are based on "quality of a teams BEST opponents" - nothing will change. You have to "incentivize" the process or teams won't change their behavior.

 

[Gator]

I believe Minnesota is trying to do their part.

2023 - @ UNC & vs Louisiana (vs Mich, vs MSU, @ OSU, too)
2024 - vs UNC
2025 - @ Cali
2026 - vs Miss St
2027 - @ Miss St
2028 - vs Cali
2029 - ?
2030 - ?
2031 - ?
2032 - vs Alabama
2033 - @ Alabama

And I've heard at least one big name mentioned, I believe it was Oklahoma, that UMn is in talks with for 2029-2031. Other than Cali who is struggling right now, that's a pretty solid list.

Really? Trying to do their part?
Here's UF's OOC
2023 at Utah Charlotte Florida State
2024 Miami (FL) UCF at Florida State
2025 USF at Miami (FL) Florida State
2026 at NC State California at Florida State
2027 at California Florida State
2028 Colorado at Arizona State at Florida State
2029 at Colorado Florida State
2030 Texas at UCF at Florida State
2031 at Texas Arizona State at Notre Dame Florida State
2032 Notre Dame NC State at Florida State
2033 UCF Florida State

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I think it is going to re-enforce the trend. The CFP seedings are based on rankings and as people have pointed out those typically follow W/L records. Why would any team risk playing a good OOC opponent when it could hurt their chances? Right now it actually benefits a team to play in a "down" conference. It is easier for a team to go 12-0 in a weakened conference. Teams will just play their in-conference schedule plus 3 or 4 lousy OOC games and bank on the "Conference Champ" slogan to get a berth in the CFP. Until the Committee comes out and publicly states that the seeding are based on "quality of a teams BEST opponents" - nothing will change. You have to "incentivize" the process or teams won't change their behavior.

I think they need to take scheduling away from the teams myself

 

[Ron G]

Said much the same thing. They may as well rename it the Alabama invitational.

I'm hoping one of USC and Tcu lose so that OSU makes it in but not both. I'd almost prefer they both win as to lose.

I hope TCU gets in and win the National Championship.

Really? Trying to do their part?
Here's UF's OOC
2023 at Utah Charlotte Florida State
2024 Miami (FL) UCF at Florida State
2025 USF at Miami (FL) Florida State
2026 at NC State California at Florida State
2027 at California Florida State
2028 Colorado at Arizona State at Florida State
2029 at Colorado Florida State
2030 Texas at UCF at Florida State
2031 at Texas Arizona State at Notre Dame Florida State
2032 Notre Dame NC State at Florida State
2033 UCF Florida State

This really points out my dislike of SOS as determined by the specific year the game is played. In 31 and 32, if Notre Dame and Florida State both have off years, say 6-6 or 5-7, UFs SOS will get downgraded. And yet it is not their goal to schedule easy games.

I always refer to the early 2000s. SC plays ND every year. They had the same record each year, but one year ND was 3-9 and the other 9-3.
Southern Cals SOS suffered enough by ND being 3-9 that they did not get into the championship game but did when ND was 9-3.

Notre Dame faces the same problem when Navy has a good or bad record. Due to historical reasons, ND will not drop Navy from their schedule.

In 2032 the seniors on Notre Dame, NC State and Florida State are currently in 7th grade. Although the Florida State players may be 26 or 27 years old.

 

[PhilSimms11]

No offense but this is the kind of thinking that is KILLING CFB. The good teams play few enough quality opponents as it is. They don't play anyone OOC anymore and now you want to eliminate CCG's.

Michigan (12-0) vs Purdue (8-4) for the Big Ten Championship. You're not suggesting Purdue deserves an opportunity to be called Big Ten Champions...are you?

 

[PIBuckeye]

I'm hoping the expanded playoffs will encourage teams to schedule better OOC

I think 2 OOC games are enough. 1 should be a team ranked in the same level , the other can be a cupcake. then pick up one additional conference game which should make any team's SOR/SOS better.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I think 2 OOC games are enough. 1 should be a team ranked in the same level , the other can be a cupcake. then pick up one additional conference game which should make any team's SOR/SOS better.

Would agree less OOC would be ideal

 

[jwolt92]

Would agree less OOC would be ideal

Ah yes let's watch the same teams play over and over again, with no chance to see your team play against a team they've never played against/haven't played in many years. 3-4 OOC is good, no need to change that

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Ah yes let's watch the same teams play over and over again, with no chance to see your team play against a team they've never played against/haven't played in many years. 3-4 OOC is good, no need to change that

I'm all for 3 to 4 if teams will play other teams worth a shit and not Prarie View

But they won't

So either take away their ability to schedule

Or

More in conference

 

[PIBuckeye]

Michigan (12-0) vs Purdue (8-4) for the Big Ten Championship. You're not suggesting Purdue deserves an opportunity to be called Big Ten Champions...are you?

exactly. I want it to happen. as ridiculous as it would be. force them to do away with CCGs. they were great for a while, but they are a problem now.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Really? Trying to do their part?
Here's UF's OOC
2023 at Utah Charlotte Florida State
2024 Miami (FL) UCF at Florida State
2025 USF at Miami (FL) Florida State
2026 at NC State California at Florida State
2027 at California Florida State
2028 Colorado at Arizona State at Florida State
2029 at Colorado Florida State
2030 Texas at UCF at Florida State
2031 at Texas Arizona State at Notre Dame Florida State
2032 Notre Dame NC State at Florida State
2033 UCF Florida State

YES, REALLY!!! The fact that UF seems to be going out of their way to schedule tougher than almost anyone else out there doesn't change THE FACT that Minnesota is making an effort to schedule tougher ooc games than LOTS of schools out there.

I'm NOT claiming UMn is #1 in this regard, not even Top 10-25, just that they are making an effort to upgrade their ooc scheduling. They've done an ok job in the recent past, but are trying harder.

NOT comparing UMn to UF. UF doesn't have to try as hard as they already have a game every year with FSU.



FSU? Sure! Utah & Miami, maybe NCSU, and of course Notre Dame. But Texas? That's a conf matchup.

Better hope UF improves between now and then? Could get brutal? UMn very likely could experience some brutality as soon as next season.



Imagine being Colorado this season, TCU, Air Force, Minnesota and all 6 ranked Pac teams for 9 opponents getting votes in the AP/Coaches polls.