So how about 2017?

[YankeeRebel]

The Pats win the SB in the most epic fashion ever a game that will be remembered for all time then things get a little weird to me.

The Pats acquire Ealy and we give them a second round pick in exchange for a 3rd so in a nutshell we gave Carolina a 2nd for their 3rd.

We have now given up two QBs that are now starters in this league for a 2nd round pick and a very overrated WR.

We sign Cooks for a first and third and what may be a contract issue and IMO he has not lived up to that. And I find it odd that we trade two NFL starting QBs for a 2nd and a sub par WR yet we give up a 1 and 3rd for a WR.

They bring in Gilmore thus turning the knife in Butlers back and he has not done squat in fact he's looked out of place in the secondary. I liked this move when it happened but I am really starting to wonder. And there is the belief that there is more than just an injury at play.

Do I even need to talk about Allen?

Mike Gilisslee I will cut some slack b/c we a very much a RB by committee team and he has done alright for what he is expected to do.

Just seems a lot of questionable moves right now.

 

[BigKen]

Trades are never what they seem.

Ealy. Firs, Ealy was not happy being traded to NE. His attitude and work ethic were horrible. He got a minor ding and refused to practice because he didn't want to risk further injury. He had a sit down with BB and sgreed to put in more effort and have a better attitude. He didn't. Rather than try to trade him and look like a fool, BB cut him.
The Jets were the only team who worked him out and he took what they offered. He appears to be happy and productive and you'd have to say that it's because he got to pick where he wanted to go and do what he wanted to do...............................but he couldn't do the same for the Patriots???

Dorsett. Brissett was not looking like the QB that Parcells thought he was. Apparently the Patriots didn't think he could even be a back up to JG. Dorsett was getting a lot of playing time with Hilton and Moncrief and was very productive for the Colts. He hasn't gained TB's trust yet because he's still trying to fit in to an offense that he's not a regular part of yet. Brady has to throw him the ball, he can't do anything without it. The few times he's gotten a chance he hasn't done badly.

JG. If the Patriots had kept him, it would have been a Cap nightmare. No team can have two quarterbacks making over $20M on their payroll and have one of them on the sideline every game. If they had let him walk and he didn't play, the compensatory pick would have been a 6th or 7th, probably 7th Round pick. At least the pick from SF was a second that will most likely be #33, #34, or #35 next year.

Dwayne Allen has just fallen off a cliff. His blocking on running plays is great. For some unknown reason, he cannot catch a TB12 pass. That is a problem, but how do you solve it?? Tell Tom to toss it easier??

Gilmore. He got his paycheck and maybe he's just trying to do more than he can and as a result he's not doing anything. My gut says he'll be back for Denver and he'll be a totally different Gilmore now that he's seen Bademosi starting to play the way that everyone thought Gilmore would. Sometimes all one needs to see is how well someone else is playing in their stead.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Trades are never what they seem.

Ealy. Firs, Ealy was not happy being traded to NE. His attitude and work ethic were horrible. He got a minor ding and refused to practice because he didn't want to risk further injury. He had a sit down with BB and sgreed to put in more effort and have a better attitude. He didn't. Rather than try to trade him and look like a fool, BB cut him.
The Jets were the only team who worked him out and he took what they offered. He appears to be happy and productive and you'd have to say that it's because he got to pick where he wanted to go and do what he wanted to do...............................but he couldn't do the same for the Patriots???

Dorsett. Brissett was not looking like the QB that Parcells thought he was. Apparently the Patriots didn't think he could even be a back up to JG. Dorsett was getting a lot of playing time with Hilton and Moncrief and was very productive for the Colts. He hasn't gained TB's trust yet because he's still trying to fit in to an offense that he's not a regular part of yet. Brady has to throw him the ball, he can't do anything without it. The few times he's gotten a chance he hasn't done badly.

JG. If the Patriots had kept him, it would have been a Cap nightmare. No team can have two quarterbacks making over $20M on their payroll and have one of them on the sideline every game. If they had let him walk and he didn't play, the compensatory pick would have been a 6th or 7th, probably 7th Round pick. At least the pick from SF was a second that will most likely be #33, #34, or #35 next year.

Dwayne Allen has just fallen off a cliff. His blocking on running plays is great. For some unknown reason, he cannot catch a TB12 pass. That is a problem, but how do you solve it?? Tell Tom to toss it easier??

Gilmore. He got his paycheck and maybe he's just trying to do more than he can and as a result he's not doing anything. My gut says he'll be back for Denver and he'll be a totally different Gilmore now that he's seen Bademosi starting to play the way that everyone thought Gilmore would. Sometimes all one needs to see is how well someone else is playing in their stead.

Actually Brissett looked pretty god the limited time he was played, did they dumb the offense down, of course he was a rookie but he was progressing of that there is little doubt. And we are all aware of the JG situation but again the Pats refused a better offer from the Browns so they did screw the pooch two fold, 1. Not taking the better deal, 2. Letting Brissett go knowing you would be trading JG. Either way there are two QBs this year from the Pats both starting and we got a second round pick and a thus far bust at WR.

I have no idea how much of the Ealy comments are 100% accurate so I will defer with hesitation. Didn't the Pats communicate with Ealy and agent prior to extending offer? Did they not pick up on his supposed disdain then?

I would not go so far as to say Allen run blocking is great but it will suffice, he damn sure got genuine butter hands since being here. Is playing outside that much of in issue for him? Either way not what any of us were expecting.

Gilmore has either refused to settle into the system or cannot grasp it, the latter concerns me, is he dumb as a stump? Think about how Buff used him mostly as a hammer the guy can lay out a big hit he has looked lost and out of place to many times in this scheme and for the $$$$$ he is making he should not be. We will now lose Butler who has improved a lot since the season began he to was off but adjusted. If Gilmore is just to dumb to work in this D then it seems like a pretty poor decision to me.

Now I agree this may take some time and there were some solid moves too, but I still think there were to many highly questionable moves.

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

Yeah, did we forget about the greatest pre-season performance in NFL history lol?

I like Brissett, I think he could've been a viable #2 for them next year. So far the only place I've ever seen or heard anything about the team being displeased with his development is by one poster on this board. To me that deal smacked more of desperation at the thinned out WR and PR depth chart at that time than anything. Panic trades don't usually turn out well. That's a legitimate gripe to me.

I've still yet to see any documented proof of what Cleveland actually offered for Garoppolo. The report was A 2nd, so people assume it was the #33, but it might've been the #52.

I doubt there were any conversations with Ealy before that trade went down. It was an 8 spot move down in the draft. 8 spots. On Day 2. Carolina practically gave him to them. It was well worth the shot at that price to see if they could translate his ability to their system. It didn't work. It happens.

The value they gave up in the Ealy and Cooks deal (aside from the #32) was very small. If they had traded up from 32 with the value they lost in those two deals and gotten a rookie WR that was giving them anywhere close to the production they're getting from Cooks, everyone would be shitting themselves over what a steal BB got. And let's not forget they still have him for another year after this with a year+ head start on negotiating a new deal over everyone else in the league.

It always cracks me up when transactions that are universally lauded for their awesomeness at the time they're made, suck in hindsight if they don't work out. It happens, nobody bats 1.000. BB comes closer than anyone.

Also, 6-2.

 

[BigKen]

the Pats refused a better offer from the Browns

The Browns never made an offer to the Patriots. I think I've written this about 20 times. Hue Jackson, the Browns head coach tried to get the Browns GM (Sashi Brown) to offer one or both of the Browns first rounders before the draft to the Patriots but Brown doesn't like JG. He said no!!

Last week, he told Brown that the Browns should offer their 1st or 2nd round pick and a later one if necessary to get JG before the trade deadline. Brown said no!!

The problem is perception. Jackson said that he wanted JG at any cost and he said it around Cleveland Plain Dealer reporters who picked up and ran with it. The perception was that the Brown were going to make the offer and when nothing happened, it was the Patriots who refused an offer that was never made.

The Browns' Sashi refused to draft Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson because he has his own sandbox and doesn't allow anyone else to play in it. Now he has a coaching staff that is going to mutiny at the end of the season and the owner will have to decide whether or not to keep his GM or coaching staff or give the coach more authority in drafting the team he coaches.........

 

[YankeeRebel]

Browns tried one more time for Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots rejected offer

 

[nefansince75]

Browns tried one more time for Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots rejected offer

In my opinion Adam Shefter is no more reliable than Big Ken (no offense BK). Wait I just dreamt something...

Breaking News.... Browns offered their entire 2018 and 2019 drafts for Garoppolo but Belichick likes Shanahan more.

We don't know what the Browns offered or when. We don't know if Belichick thought he could squeeze better value by trading Brady and keeping G, but got out politicked. We don't, we Don't, We don't.

 

[Southieinnc]

Ealy sucked and sucked as a team-mate.
Dorsett is going to play more soon. Let's see.
Jimmy we could not keep. Ken said it all. Enough said.
Allen was a Colts reject. Bye Bye next season.
Gilmore is a failure. We may see him catch on but - what is his cap-hit this off-season? We might need to know....
I'm not giving up on Butler staying. Kid has a great attitude and much crap has been slung about him being unhappy. Can we afford the best #2 corner getting #1 money? We don't usually overpay.....

Football is supposed to go like this. You are not supposed to go 14-2 every year and have the SB trophy pre-printed with New England Patriots on it!!!!!

 

[NWPATSFAN]

The only real disappointments overall when you look at what NE traded up/traded down for and the picks they have IMO are:
1. Gilmore. I'm giving him a little more time. But he certianly is getting on my nerves. I think the couple weeks off combined with NE playing more man-to-man will help. We can only hope? If not Basemodi filled in quite nicely a medicore that followed a great game. I can live with that.

2. Dorsett. I have no idea why he and TB12 can't get on the same sheet of music?

3 a-b. Ealy sounds like an attitude issue. Good for him enjoy playing on medicore teams for the rest of your career. We've seen this with other lineman in NE bye bye Kony. Allen well at least he's blocking.

Overall BB and company have done well. If Dorsett can get involved all these moves become a win win.

 

[nefansince75]

The sum of all decisions and each decision need to be compared before judging. True results can't be judged until the season is over. If they win the SB it's easy to look past bad decisions in light of the many good ones required to win it all. Also, what looks bad now can change.

 

[Southieinnc]

The sum of all decisions and each decision need to be compared before judging. True results can't be judged until the season is over. If they win the SB it's easy to look past bad decisions in light of the many good ones required to win it all. Also, what looks bad now can change.

Agree on all.

What we are seeing however (right now) is disappointing on most of the newcomers. If half of them were excelling, we would look at it completely different....

 

[nefansince75]

Agree on all.

What we are seeing however (right now) is disappointing on most of the newcomers. If half of them were excelling, we would look at it completely different....

I agree too. My comments were more moral comments than anything else. If we don't complain about anything we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

I should have added that my comments were about keeping things in perspective and not telling everyone to "shaddap" or however the dumb big rooster used to say it as he hit the bulldog with a plank.