skins want to add tomsula

[duke1861]

i have already shown why we havent done anything yet

So we waited two weeks to interview Phillips for what reason again? You have to admit that we started interviewing some of these candidates too late in the process. You can't argue with that. Phillips clearly was a target but for some reason which has not been explained they waited for almost 2 weeks to interview him.

You have to admit, this isn't making any sense. If Bradley wants to go with Lynn, then that leaves Pettine and there is no reason why he should not have been offered. He will need time to get his staff together.

 

[ehb5]

They aren't making decisions or making decision too late in the game. Why did they wait for almost 2 weeks to interview Phillips? We could have had him if they interviewed him the day after or close afterwards. Why haven't they offered the job to Bradley? Why haven't they offered the job to Pettine? We would have heard if any of this would have happened.

What is being reported is an aimless search that now includes Rob Ryan, Manusky and Tomsula. It seems like they are casting a wide net and have no idea what they truly want. Shark is right, they need to make a decision. The lack of an offer or reported offer doesn't bode well at this point. Same for the OC, why has no interviews been scheduled or the internal promotion not extended? We needed competent coaches on our staff and waiting around is the worst thing to do. That has been our approach. Keep in mind that we literally have no DC, OC, DL, or DB coaches at this point.

They may be waiting for a coach whos still in the playoffs. No need to rush the decision.

 

[duke1861]

They may be waiting for a coach whos still in the playoffs. No need to rush the decision.

I doubt that is it or they would have already asked permission to interview them. It happens all the time during the playoffs.

 

[Sharkinva]

They may be waiting for a coach whos still in the playoffs. No need to rush the decision.

Problem with that is, unless we are interviewing for a HC job, the current team of a coach thats currently in the playoffs can block us from interviewing for a lateral move. So unless they expect a coach to get fired, or have his contract expire, there really isnt any one they could be waiting for.

 

[Sportster 72]

shark you have a point but at the same if there is someone they like you would advocate hiring someone in a rush instead of seeing if you can get the guy you like? I don't know that is the case but if it was then why rush?

 

[ehb5]

Problem with that is, unless we are interviewing for a HC job, the current team of a coach thats currently in the playoffs can block us from interviewing for a lateral move. So unless they expect a coach to get fired, or have his contract expire, there really isnt any one they could be waiting for.

Doesnt mean the interview would be blocked. I dont expect us to target another teams DC but another teams position coach could be possible.

 

[duke1861]

shark you have a point but at the same if there is someone they like you would advocate hiring someone in a rush instead of seeing if you can get the guy you like? I don't know that is the case but if it was then why rush?

Who else is out there that we like? Again, we "didn't rush" with our alleged top 2 candidates and it cost us. If we aren't crazy about anyone else at this point, then we are in a bad spot because the top DC are gone at this point. Gruden doesn't make the best personnel decisions so its a concern for sure at this point.

 

[Sharkinva]

Doesnt mean the interview would be blocked. I dont expect us to target another teams DC but another teams position coach could be possible.

IF that were the case, I would expect they would have already asked for permission. And even then, teams can block that.

 

[ehb5]

IF that were the case, I would expect they would have already asked for permission. And even then, teams can block that.

For sure. But I dont think its out of the question that thats whats going on. Overall Im not gonna freak out about DC until somebody is actually hired - then Ill freak out and complain lol.

 

[skinsdad62]

So we waited two weeks to interview Phillips for what reason again? You have to admit that we started interviewing some of these candidates too late in the process. You can't argue with that. Phillips clearly was a target but for some reason which has not been explained they waited for almost 2 weeks to interview him.

You have to admit, this isn't making any sense. If Bradley wants to go with Lynn, then that leaves Pettine and there is no reason why he should not have been offered. He will need time to get his staff together.

phillips wasnt released yet

 

[Stymietee]

There ia another option for, coaches still in the playoffs, including DC's.........Head Coach/Defense. It is not a lateral move but in fact a promotion. It would be seen as problematic and literally light this board up!!!

 

[Sharkinva]

There ia another option for, coaches still in the playoffs, including DC's.........Head Coach/Defense. It is not a lateral move but in fact a promotion. It would be seen as problematic and literally light this board up!!!

Agreed, thats another play. But unless they changed the rules, a team can block any interview except actual head coach openings.

My thinking is, we still have the same issue that brought us Barry. Jay isnt going to hire his possible replacement. Add in that most of the big names everyone has been drooling for dont see this as a good job to take because Jay is likely on the hot seat even if no one in Ashburn is going to say it at the moment.

Also there is the possibility that the GM wants to take the team in a different direction.

 

[Stymietee]

Agreed, thats another play. But unless they changed the rules, a team can block any interview except actual head coach openings.

My thinking is, we still have the same issue that brought us Barry. Jay isnt going to hire his possible replacement. Add in that most of the big names everyone has been drooling for dont see this as a good job to take because Jay is likely on the hot seat even if no one in Ashburn is going to say it at the moment.

Also there is the possibility that the GM wants to take the team in a different direction.

Very good points there @Shark, I never mentioned this but all during the Kirk Cousins debates here, I also have the feeling that SM has a plan in his head that doesn't necessarily involve Gruden nor Kirk. It is very likely that not signing Kirk thus far to a long term contract is step one towards getting the HC that he wants here. I wonder if at this point in not signing a DC is part of the plan? Your point about Gruden not wanting to hire his replacement, sends a signal to Scott that Gruden is not doing everything to win be ause of an ego problem. Make no mistake I actually like Gruden, dude has an air about himself that can only translate into good times at a bar or barbecue.

 

[Sharkinva]

Very good points there @Shark, I never mentioned this but all during the Kirk Cousins debates here, I also have the feeling that SM has a plan in his head that doesn't necessarily involve Gruden nor Kirk. It is very likely that not signing Kirk thus far to a long term contract is step one towards getting the HC that he wants here. I wonder if at this point in not signing a DC is part of the plan? Your point about Gruden not wanting to hire his replacement, sends a signal to Scott that Gruden is not doing everything to win be ause of an ego problem. Make no mistake I actually like Gruden, dude has an air about himself that can only translate into good times at a bar or barbecue.

I cant fault Gruden for NOT wanting to hire his replacement. As for the GM looking to get his own coach in and thus not wanting to sign the QB long term. That right there is a massive ego issue as well. Some one needs to be an adult in the room and realize that if the GM and the HC cant get on the same page, then this team will still have the same results, just different issues.

 

[Stymietee]

I cant fault Gruden for NOT wanting to hire his replacement. As for the GM looking to get his own coach in and thus not wanting to sign the QB long term. That right there is a massive ego issue as well. Some one needs to be an adult in the room and realize that if the GM and the HC cant get on the same page, then this team will still have the same results, just different issues.

Agreed, however, do you agree that during the hiring process SM outlined in his vision for this team and organization. Someone bought it and hired the guy to carry out that vision right? I think the decision that you spoke of has been made.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agreed, however, do you agree that during the hiring process SM outlined in his vision for this team and organization. Someone bought it and hired the guy to carry out that vision right? I think the decision that you spoke of has been made.

I think if a manager comes in and decides his vision is the only way to get things done, he will do more harm than good in more cases than not. We have an offense that half the league would sell their soul to have. A QB that likely 1/3rd of the league would gladly take right now. So if the GM really wants to push his agenda over what is working, well the problem clearly becomes ego over production.

 

[Sportster 72]

Wasn't this a thread about Tomsula?

 

[Stymietee]

I think if a manager comes in and decides his vision is the only way to get things done, he will do more harm than good in more cases than not. We have an offense that half the league would sell their soul to have. A QB that likely 1/3rd of the league would gladly take right now. So if the GM really wants to push his agenda over what is working, well the problem clearly becomes ego over production.

I think that you've either missed my point or truly believe that the hiring parties don't buy into that vision, or share it. Why hire the guy that you don't believe has the ability and vision to get you where you want to go? OK, let's not use the Washington, Snyder, Allen reasons.

 

[Sharkinva]

I think that you've either missed my point or truly believe that the hiring parties don't buy into that vision, or share it. Why hire the guy that you don't believe has the ability and vision to get you where you want to go? OK, let's not use the Washington, Snyder, Allen reasons.

Im not using the Snyder/Allen reasoning when I talk on this. If you have a product you are trying to build off of, it makes no sense to throw the baby out with the bath water. If you have a product with some good parts and some bad parts. Very rarely does it make sense to ditch the good parts simply because you think you have seen it done better a different way. And that is basically what you are suggesting.

Now as for where this team stands, sabotaging the coach in order to bring in some one who fits more into what the GM wants will set this team back 3-5 years minimum. Smart managers take what works, and fix whats actually broken. Dumb managers go, well this worked at my last company. So instead of keeping what works here, and fixing what doesnt.. .I would rather make sure I get what i want and to hell with how far it sets us back. We spent YEARS trying to get Norve his Triplets in DC. And in the end all we did was waste the careers of the good players we did have while he was here.

 

[Stymietee]

Im not using the Snyder/Allen reasoning when I talk on this. If you have a product you are trying to build off of, it makes no sense to throw the baby out with the bath water. If you have a product with some good parts and some bad parts. Very rarely does it make sense to ditch the good parts simply because you think you have seen it done better a different way. And that is basically what you are suggesting.

Now as for where this team stands, sabotaging the coach in order to bring in some one who fits more into what the GM wants will set this team back 3-5 years minimum. Smart managers take what works, and fix whats actually broken. Dumb managers go, well this worked at my last company. So instead of keeping what works here, and fixing what doesnt.. .I would rather make sure I get what i want and to hell with how far it sets us back. We spent YEARS trying to get Norve his Triplets in DC. And in the end all we did was waste the careers of the good players we did have while he was here.

I'm actually not saying that at all, we're talking about this team and their moves. What I am suggesting is that there rarely is agreement on which parts are good. This is particularly true in the NFL where "parts" average shelf life is 3-5 years. BTW : sometimes throwi g a rotten baby out with the bathwater is the smart thing to do.
We all hope that GMSM and company are successful, however if you're one who believes in the stand pat theory be ause if it ain't broke don't fix it type of thinking, well consider this....even if SM built the greatest football team in the history of the sport, my position would still remain, keep looking to improve it. After all in the history of invention, building and innovation nothing has remained the same.