Skins offered KC 15m

[Manster7588]

1) What makes people think KC will regress with healthy players returning and a likely upgrade at the center position? Especially after improving so much during the season?

2) is it possible we keep RG3 to trade him? Hear me out. His contract becomes guaranteed on March 9 but if we trade him after that and he works out a deal with say...Houston...that contract becomes void. Houston won't give him 16 million this season but may be willing to offer him a smaller contract with 16 mil in guarantees over a couple of years.

3) is it also possible we don't have all the information regarding contracts and rules?

The big rock in the way of trading RG3 is RG3. The redskins can't trade him until the new NFL season starts, and that is the day his 16M guaranteed money kicks in. The Skins are stuck between RG3 and a hard place.

 

[ehb5]

I like Cuz and I hope they get a deal done, but according to one of the tweets that Cali posted. While Cuz led the NFL in comp %. He was only 20th far as accuracy went.

I tried finding some sites that rated accuracy among NFL QBs in 2015, but had very little luck doing so.

That was tweeted by a very well respected analyst on twitter who did a project where he charted every pass play by every starting qb from this past season noting what each play was and who's fault it was in order to paint a truly accurate picture of a quarterbacks play. Now this guy has long thought cousins wasn't very good so maybe he's wrong but according to his project kirk as you said was 20th in accuracy, was 30th in interceptable pass rate (with 1 being the best), and had a ton of yards gained dumping the ball off and having a reciever rack up the yardage. So obviously the question is whether or not this guy was right.

 

[gkekoa]

The big rock in the way of trading RG3 is RG3. The redskins can't trade him until the new NFL season starts, and that is the day his 16M guaranteed money kicks in. The Skins are stuck between RG3 and a hard place.

Yes. The money becomes guaranteed but not if he signs a new contract with another team. That is my point. Would RG3 want to sit on our bench making 16 mil or would he rather work out a deal with a new team that guarantees him that 16 mil but over more years but he could play this season?

 

[Manster7588]

Yes. The money becomes guaranteed but not if he signs a new contract with another team. That is my point. Would RG3 want to sit on our bench making 16 mil or would he rather work out a deal with a new team that guarantees him that 16 mil but over more years but he could play this season?

Not the way I read it, unless RG3 decides to cut the Skins a break. Maybe I'm wrong, and just did some quick reading on the situation today.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not the way I read it, unless RG3 decides to cut the Skins a break. Maybe I'm wrong, and just did some quick reading on the situation today.

A team with the cap space could simply trade for him expecting to pay him the $16.2 million much as the Eagles did with Bradford last year. The only way the Skins get screwed is if they hold him past the 9th and DONT get a trade partner. In which case they eat the $16.2 million and have to decide if its worth the drama and wasted roster spot to hold onto him.

 

[Manster7588]

A team with the cap space could simply trade for him expecting to pay him the $16.2 million much as the Eagles did with Bradford last year. The only way the Skins get screwed is if they hold him past the 9th and DONT get a trade partner. In which case they eat the $16.2 million and have to decide if its worth the drama and wasted roster spot to hold onto him.

True, I just don't see any other teams giving you all a 16M break. It could happen but I think it's doubtful.

 

[Breed]

That was tweeted by a very well respected analyst on twitter who did a project where he charted every pass play by every starting qb from this past season noting what each play was and who's fault it was in order to paint a truly accurate picture of a quarterbacks play. Now this guy has long thought cousins wasn't very good so maybe he's wrong but according to his project kirk as you said was 20th in accuracy, was 30th in interceptable pass rate (with 1 being the best), and had a ton of yards gained dumping the ball off and having a reciever rack up the yardage. So obviously the question is whether or not this guy was right.

Well, I can't call it far as who was the most accurate QB in the NFL. Using nothing but my eyes for the eye test I thought Cuz was pretty accurate when throwing the ball.

Then there are things that make me think all these high falutin metric sites are nothing, but a bunch of bullshit. I think PFF said Teddy Bridgewater was the NFL's most acurate QB in 2015. If that''s the case all I gotta say to that is hmmmm. If it's not the case, my apologies.

 

[Uhsplit]

This coach guy is cracking me up.

 

[Sharkinva]

True, I just don't see any other teams giving you all a 16M break. It could happen but I think it's doubtful.

It would only be giving us a break if the team in question didnt see him as a viable starter. But the only way I see a team trading for him with a $16 million dollar price tag is if they thought he wouldnt consider them as a viable option and the only way they get him under contract is to trade for him.

 

[Manster7588]

It would only be giving us a break if the team in question didnt see him as a viable starter. But the only way I see a team trading for him with a $16 million dollar price tag is if they thought he wouldnt consider them as a viable option and the only way they get him under contract is to trade for him.

In the NFL nothing is out of the question, but what odds would you put on a team trading for him. As I typed that I immediately thought about Jerry's in season trade for R. Williams, when the world knew Williams could be had for free the next season. I guess we will all know on March 9.

 

[Sharkinva]

In the NFL nothing is out of the question, but what odds would you put on a team trading for him. As I typed that I immediately thought about Jerry's in season trade for R. Williams, when the world knew Williams could be had for free the next season. I guess we will all know on March 9.

I would say at best a 5-10% chance they can actually work something out. It all depends on the teams that are interested though. Their cap situation, and if they are willing to take the gamble he would want to go elsewhere. RG3 has alot of leverage in this if he really wants to push it. But the Skins have a fair amount as well considering that its not impossible for them to hold onto him for another year. Would that be a good idea?? Probably not. But its not out of the realm of doable.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

That was tweeted by a very well respected analyst on twitter who did a project where he charted every pass play by every starting qb from this past season noting what each play was and who's fault it was in order to paint a truly accurate picture of a quarterbacks play. Now this guy has long thought cousins wasn't very good so maybe he's wrong but according to his project kirk as you said was 20th in accuracy, was 30th in interceptable pass rate (with 1 being the best), and had a ton of yards gained dumping the ball off and having a reciever rack up the yardage. So obviously the question is whether or not this guy was right.

Cian has a lot of analysis that is quite different from others. I like reading his opinions, don't always agree with it but can't deny that he always provides a different way of looking at things, backed up by how he arrived at an opinion.

A page from Cians 'pre football snaps' book on Cuz

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Hmmmmm, the rumor mill continues to abound. Ian continues to speculate about the transition tag, now a step further, from in play to that it will likely be used...

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Keim...

THE TRANSITION TAG

What it costs: $17.696 million

What it means: The Redskins have seven days to match any offer. But they would receive no compensation should they allow Cousins to leave.


The benefit: The Redskins would get Cousins on a lower salary than the franchise tag. If the Redskins do this, make no mistake, they would have done their homework regarding what other teams can afford based not only on their cap space, but other moves they might need to make. Also, based on conversations I’ve had, they are not going to do this if they feel someone might swoop in with a strong offer that would cripple their cap. Both cap guru Eric Schaffer and general manager Scot McCloughan would have an idea what’s going to happen. Cousins has leverage and many teams need quarterbacks, but certainly if the Redskins still are wondering where Cousins is headed, so, too, are other teams. Under a best-case scenario, Cousins gets a feel for the market and the price tag drops a little. This could lead to a long-term deal more so than the franchise tag. But that is no guarantee; he could still opt to play it out, bet on himself and hit the market again next offseason.

 

[j_y19]

There is a reason why the transition tag is rarely used. Its a big risk, especially if you really want to keep the player. So the question is if that risk is worth a $2M savings this year. If someone offers KC $20M/year for 5 years, with 50M guaranteed, SM will have very little choice but to match it. And everyone in the league knows this. So maybe a competitor (Jones in Dallas), makes KC a ridiculous offer knowing that the redskins will match it just to screw with our cap?

Personally, I'd stay away from the transition tag. There are just too many teams looking for a QB that the odds are good someone will bid on him higher than SM is willing to go right now.

 

[skinsdad62]

Keim...

THE TRANSITION TAG

What it costs: $17.696 million

What it means: The Redskins have seven days to match any offer. But they would receive no compensation should they allow Cousins to leave.


The benefit: The Redskins would get Cousins on a lower salary than the franchise tag. If the Redskins do this, make no mistake, they would have done their homework regarding what other teams can afford based not only on their cap space, but other moves they might need to make. Also, based on conversations I’ve had, they are not going to do this if they feel someone might swoop in with a strong offer that would cripple their cap. Both cap guru Eric Schaffer and general manager Scot McCloughan would have an idea what’s going to happen. Cousins has leverage and many teams need quarterbacks, but certainly if the Redskins still are wondering where Cousins is headed, so, too, are other teams. Under a best-case scenario, Cousins gets a feel for the market and the price tag drops a little. This could lead to a long-term deal more so than the franchise tag. But that is no guarantee; he could still opt to play it out, bet on himself and hit the market again next offseason.

well if i am surprised by the transition tag then GMSM must know some things which he would over what we get through the media . perhaps the market will provide the answer to this and if KC finds out his worth then no hard feelings will come of it

 

[Sharkinva]

There is a reason why the transition tag is rarely used. Its a big risk, especially if you really want to keep the player. So the question is if that risk is worth a $2M savings this year. If someone offers KC $20M/year for 5 years, with 50M guaranteed, SM will have very little choice but to match it. And everyone in the league knows this. So maybe a competitor (Jones in Dallas), makes KC a ridiculous offer knowing that the redskins will match it just to screw with our cap?

Personally, I'd stay away from the transition tag. There are just too many teams looking for a QB that the odds are good someone will bid on him higher than SM is willing to go right now.

The other poison pill with the transition tag is, if the player does sign with another team, you lose your tag until that players contract expires with the other team.

So say we transition Kirk, and he signs with another team on a 6 year deal. Next year comes up and we find we are in need of using the tag on Reed.... we cant because we lost our tag rights until Kirks deal with (what ever team he signed with) expires.

If it gets to that point, as i said in another post, do we really limit ourselves for the foreseeable future over $2.5 million in cap space??

 

[Caliskinsfan]

The other poison pill with the transition tag is, if the player does sign with another team, you lose your tag until that players contract expires with the other team.

So say we transition Kirk, and he signs with another team on a 6 year deal. Next year comes up and we find we are in need of using the tag on Reed.... we cant because we lost our tag rights until Kirks deal with (what ever team he signed with) expires.

If it gets to that point, as i said in another post, do we really limit ourselves for the foreseeable future over $2.5 million in cap space??

You lose the ability to use the transition, franchise or both?

 

[Sharkinva]

You lose the ability to use the transition, franchise or both?

The transition tag IM sure on. The franchise tag... I will double check the wording and see.